12-25-2014, 08:09 PM
With figures like Alex Jones, and David Icke, it is rather easy to walk away with the impression that they have only a partial view, and that once you've gotten their essence then it is not better to listen to their rhetoric anymore, and get the bad news from an alternative news source that doesn't also specialize in spin of any kind. And the worst spin is a spin that utilizes some Big Truth but not ALL of it, so that we have a severe imbalance and handicap, especially as hard as they hit with their huge alt-media presence, or rather simply huge media presence, period.
Throw in the partial views of others like Ventura, and others who are supposedly just good old outsiders who looked in and "saw some stuff" that woke them up (at least partly), and one sees a simple pattern. Why do they wake up only so far, and not further? Is not THE TRUTH of a whole and not able to be divided in truth?
So they hearken our minds to the notion at least of a partial awakening with a major blockage which will probably pollute the result in at least a large scale way, if not in ways peculiar to each and every person who encounters it.
The other aspect of the issue is that they hearken our mind to that, and not less than that, in a world where 'partiality of perception of Truth', leading to corruption into mere 'truth' and partialities of even that, is the norm of manipulation by those who craft such schemes of manipulation, and this cannot be taken lightly at all. Yet these partial "Truther" types, they really simply can't face this fact clearly, since they are so insistent that their little part of the Truth is sufficient, and to go further is either ridiculous or unnecessary. They end up making each other look ridiculous from the vantage points of each other's partial paradigms, and as a whole they make Truth Research look like a tin foil hat party even more than tin foil hat party-goers themselves do, because they enlarge and systematize the crucial weakness that a disinformation victim has to overcome, and which otherwise make him a perfect target for pre-arranged scenarios of character assassination, and even spiritual assassination as well.
Therefore, those who dye their minds in these systems of perspective seem to jump on a ship which may be destined, psychopsiritually, to sink hard and fast, and in very cold and evil waters.
So if they don't have a TOTAL system, which has declared axioms that are no where contradicted, then I can't say much for them. And if it turns out that they do have such axioms buried in their concatenations of facts and interpretations and inferences, then it is really these which must be analyzed in order to get a real register or their partiality on the higher level of system analysis.
If they pretend to eschew system, that is really not our concern, because they always have a tacit system, and daring to deny it would be a sort of interesting indication in and of itself.
So we look at their major axioms, assumptions, ground floor/lower basement beliefs, etc, as one level of the issue. The other level is their domain of accepted and recognized facts, whether self-investigated and thoroughly researched, or else simply as entertained possibilities meriting such treatment, possibly, whether or not by their own expertises. (yes, it is the plural, I checked...
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So the minimally adequate treatment is to look at what each contributes in these areas, and in what way each is partial to excluding the contributions of others (first), and then in what ways they seem to be simply blind to things they may or may not have heard of, and how that all fits in together into a META-disinformation package from the point of view of any interested parties who do manipulation work of the mass mind and of individuals. How might the partialities of these individuals be used against those who would otherwise awaken to more truth?
So at the basic level, we are well-advised to formulate our own axioms, and research facts on our own efforts in order to glimpse, and come closer to Absolute Truth.
This will include encountering others who have been involved in a similar process, and will not preclude looking at what they are doing and what they have gathered together.
We analyze all that information into a coherent whole and ask ourselves whether or not we have found any disturbances in the flow of information which can detected in the process beyond what might be reasonably expected from our already-gathered information, or axioms of analysis and their resultant analyses of that information, and our intuitions, and so on.
This includes "every move that is made" by all involved, everything. It includes everything that is left out, everything that is exaggerated whether over or under. Every thing about the effects they have on each other and each other's followings (and even that they have followings...). How they treat their own presumed followings, their own presumed opponents, the information which we ourselves have when it is presented to them: is it really a blind spot, or a resistance?
If it is a resistance, what kind? Witting? Unwitting? Conscious and logical (but fallacious), or valid? Is it because they have unconscious issues, since all other rational attempts to explain their resistance make no sense based on all that is known about them and about what we have discovered?
All facts, including their backgrounds, their associations, their temperament, their character, their education, their spiritual positions and even the way it feels listening to them talk, or the look in their eyes, or the cadence of their voices. We take into account their changes in these regards, the reasons for them, especially the ones they supply themselves, their attitudes about each others' and everyone else's approaches likewise.
And we end up with a sense that the manipulation of minds and its depth may run so deeply, that even a complete and manifested and accurate assessment of the world by an Awakened Christ would not put a dent in the manipulation going on. That is my view. Humans are hard core robots, and I got that impression from a life of being different from them with respect to truth, and especially Truth. All levels, strata, walks, of human have shown me they either are robots simply, or else they are someone who seems to have an unwholesome stake in this fact that most are, and so are bemused at the existence of someone who is not, and usually contemptful in a way indicative of a confirmation of this very fact. The specific nature of the entities in question is indicated by the immoral traits of their consciousness on matters of mind manipulation, i.e., whatever their appearance or manifestation modality, they are "children of the liar". You'll have to meet one first hand to know just how comfy they are in that role. They also, I'll add, feel fully justified in their exploitations, because as one has confessed to me (upon my pestering him long enough), "It is because we want it and they submit to it, period".
Regardless of that, you would be able to virtually deduce the existence of such beings on the evidence of the carnage that is the histories which have no doubt shown only the surface of their evil, just as the modern day skein of evidence is largely heavily doctored up by all manner of mind-influencing modalities and simple "Truth Ministering" and "Evidence Engineering" that they do. For a beautifully constructed analogy, look into cinematic art! I'll give a link to my youtube channel here, where I get especially into the matter, although I have only collected the material, mostly, and have yet to fully analyze it for exposition to others: Link Here I'm specifically referring to "The Adjustment Bureau".
So with these Big Truthers, realize that the BIG TRUTH is way bigger than any of them, and also all of them put together, and also all the rest of us. It is the disinformation concerning it that we are uncovering, for contrary to Democritus, the Truth does not like to hide (he called it "nature"), but in fact there are plenty of people and other things in this world who LOVE to HIDE IT.
[This section has a lot of threads about Alex Jones and others, but it seems it would be more economical for browsing and research to create subsections, if possible, containing all threads about each particular worker: An AJ section, an Icke section, a Hicks section, etc. Just a suggestion.]
So I'm suggesting a general approach that is "no holds barred" in that the individual is, alone responsible for the result. Therefore the first task of the Truthful Analyst is to recognize what are the primary facts of his world, and the primary understandings that he has of it and get to be quite honest with himself about how he handles this.
I have a systematic and quite "systems" approach, and I have a very methodological aspect to all of this which is founded on a basis in my own philosophic work, which itself had always been going on since I was a little kid (I "kid" you not), but which has become what it has become through a long life of applying myself to "Truth Research" in all sorts of special fields, and finally getting to the deeper "philosophy of life" issues that inevitably integrate Big History, Big Religion, Big Academia (including philosophy), and all the other "Bigs" into one big pile that has to be coherently analyzed in order to make sense of the problems which keep arising. It was worthwhile to note those problems and track them over time, by the way, and to study them in detail (the problem of evil, the problem of falsifiable histories and cultures built upon falsifiable mores and norms, etc). If one does a lot of this sort of sittin', readin', and thinkin', one can bounce into all sorts of loose ends where it seems someone in history was just TOO FRICKIN' LOUD about SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL and so he couldn't be expunged from it (yet). Or else there was someone so CONTROVERSIAL about something SO STATUS QUO that her impact couldn't be erased. These things have to be noted. Our reaction to a Nietzsche or a Joan d'Arc cannot be but part of the great issue, since we are implicated in all the ways Truth is revealed, or in which it is covered up.
I have to say I'm pleased to see so much active and aggressive, and even merciless (but sensible) investigation into all these matters on this forum especially. i would have gotten in here earlier had I not been whisked about on various other episodes of a personal nature which prevented me from realizing what was going on. I was quite in the middle of my research and was spread too thin, just to the point of critical lapse in information flow.
So keep in mind, if it was merely that which took me this long to notice the forum which noticed me, imagine how long it takes people who are busy trying to find the Real Truth from getting to some crucial piece of information or experience which would better pave their way to it... That is where the disinformation war is. So the minimal thing we can say about the information/disinformation entities out there is that we each have our own role to play in that process as well, even if it means that we will find we are time and again up against a wall of limited resources of all kinds.
My method, per se, is something like this:
1) Notice everything that is experienced, especially things which seem to hide or be hidden from notice, and take due note of anything which clamors too much for it, in that it does just that.
2) Collect what is salient by all my best judgments including intuitions, feelings, interests, and cognition in all modalities, left hemispherical, right hemispherical, and other.
3) Assimilate this data as I see fit to ensure it is manageable, so that life is somewhat livable and tolerable in the midst of it, yet never in such a way that the process so far is subordinated to the vicissitudes of my personal life (but manage this so that these are acknowledged in their conflict, for whatever Truth they may reveal, even if "only" about me...)
4) Research all available research before they prohibit it. Read books by the ton where they seem to bear on my interests, even if it is "before" I reach the stage of explicit disinformation analysis. If it is true that this was always going on, then it was true even before you found out, and if all you had to keep you going was all anyone has at first, interests in subjects, in activities, etc, (like normal robots), then that is simply what you have to start with. You are to count yourself honored if in this later phase of research you didn't "sell out" and become like those who had no soul to sell anyway: A mere dilettante, a mere clerk, a mere turnkey and system-slave. Now that you KNOW something is up, research as much as you can, as thoroughly as you can, within your assimilation regime, modified according to what is most pressing or salient at any given time. Think of it as being comfortable in your own skin, and being sensitive to the various pressures and tipping points like you are doing information JUDO.
5) Find your Spiritual Truth, and make sure it is NEVER at odds with THE TRUTH. Find that also, and if you can't do that straight away, find out how others have attempted to do that, because many have throughout history.
6) Persist in these endeavors, never faulting yourself unduly, since if you have reached this point you have already done far, far more than most would ever do in your position, and by this alone you have surpassed most of humanity in regards any merits, mundane or Spiritual.
7) Most importantly, never forget the Sincerity of children, and never forget to emulate it. Never forget the honesty your ignorance of many things forced upon you, and always endeavor to be Sincerely Honest. Nothing you find out or realize will matter if you lose this. It is where all this starts and it must be a polished fact of "who you are" before it ends.
By doing this over and over and long enough, you'll see "who is who and what is what" out there in the fields of information and disinformation, enough at least to keep your toes pointed in the right direction!
Throw in the partial views of others like Ventura, and others who are supposedly just good old outsiders who looked in and "saw some stuff" that woke them up (at least partly), and one sees a simple pattern. Why do they wake up only so far, and not further? Is not THE TRUTH of a whole and not able to be divided in truth?
So they hearken our minds to the notion at least of a partial awakening with a major blockage which will probably pollute the result in at least a large scale way, if not in ways peculiar to each and every person who encounters it.
The other aspect of the issue is that they hearken our mind to that, and not less than that, in a world where 'partiality of perception of Truth', leading to corruption into mere 'truth' and partialities of even that, is the norm of manipulation by those who craft such schemes of manipulation, and this cannot be taken lightly at all. Yet these partial "Truther" types, they really simply can't face this fact clearly, since they are so insistent that their little part of the Truth is sufficient, and to go further is either ridiculous or unnecessary. They end up making each other look ridiculous from the vantage points of each other's partial paradigms, and as a whole they make Truth Research look like a tin foil hat party even more than tin foil hat party-goers themselves do, because they enlarge and systematize the crucial weakness that a disinformation victim has to overcome, and which otherwise make him a perfect target for pre-arranged scenarios of character assassination, and even spiritual assassination as well.
Therefore, those who dye their minds in these systems of perspective seem to jump on a ship which may be destined, psychopsiritually, to sink hard and fast, and in very cold and evil waters.
So if they don't have a TOTAL system, which has declared axioms that are no where contradicted, then I can't say much for them. And if it turns out that they do have such axioms buried in their concatenations of facts and interpretations and inferences, then it is really these which must be analyzed in order to get a real register or their partiality on the higher level of system analysis.
If they pretend to eschew system, that is really not our concern, because they always have a tacit system, and daring to deny it would be a sort of interesting indication in and of itself.
So we look at their major axioms, assumptions, ground floor/lower basement beliefs, etc, as one level of the issue. The other level is their domain of accepted and recognized facts, whether self-investigated and thoroughly researched, or else simply as entertained possibilities meriting such treatment, possibly, whether or not by their own expertises. (yes, it is the plural, I checked...
)So the minimally adequate treatment is to look at what each contributes in these areas, and in what way each is partial to excluding the contributions of others (first), and then in what ways they seem to be simply blind to things they may or may not have heard of, and how that all fits in together into a META-disinformation package from the point of view of any interested parties who do manipulation work of the mass mind and of individuals. How might the partialities of these individuals be used against those who would otherwise awaken to more truth?
So at the basic level, we are well-advised to formulate our own axioms, and research facts on our own efforts in order to glimpse, and come closer to Absolute Truth.
This will include encountering others who have been involved in a similar process, and will not preclude looking at what they are doing and what they have gathered together.
We analyze all that information into a coherent whole and ask ourselves whether or not we have found any disturbances in the flow of information which can detected in the process beyond what might be reasonably expected from our already-gathered information, or axioms of analysis and their resultant analyses of that information, and our intuitions, and so on.
This includes "every move that is made" by all involved, everything. It includes everything that is left out, everything that is exaggerated whether over or under. Every thing about the effects they have on each other and each other's followings (and even that they have followings...). How they treat their own presumed followings, their own presumed opponents, the information which we ourselves have when it is presented to them: is it really a blind spot, or a resistance?
If it is a resistance, what kind? Witting? Unwitting? Conscious and logical (but fallacious), or valid? Is it because they have unconscious issues, since all other rational attempts to explain their resistance make no sense based on all that is known about them and about what we have discovered?
All facts, including their backgrounds, their associations, their temperament, their character, their education, their spiritual positions and even the way it feels listening to them talk, or the look in their eyes, or the cadence of their voices. We take into account their changes in these regards, the reasons for them, especially the ones they supply themselves, their attitudes about each others' and everyone else's approaches likewise.
And we end up with a sense that the manipulation of minds and its depth may run so deeply, that even a complete and manifested and accurate assessment of the world by an Awakened Christ would not put a dent in the manipulation going on. That is my view. Humans are hard core robots, and I got that impression from a life of being different from them with respect to truth, and especially Truth. All levels, strata, walks, of human have shown me they either are robots simply, or else they are someone who seems to have an unwholesome stake in this fact that most are, and so are bemused at the existence of someone who is not, and usually contemptful in a way indicative of a confirmation of this very fact. The specific nature of the entities in question is indicated by the immoral traits of their consciousness on matters of mind manipulation, i.e., whatever their appearance or manifestation modality, they are "children of the liar". You'll have to meet one first hand to know just how comfy they are in that role. They also, I'll add, feel fully justified in their exploitations, because as one has confessed to me (upon my pestering him long enough), "It is because we want it and they submit to it, period".
Regardless of that, you would be able to virtually deduce the existence of such beings on the evidence of the carnage that is the histories which have no doubt shown only the surface of their evil, just as the modern day skein of evidence is largely heavily doctored up by all manner of mind-influencing modalities and simple "Truth Ministering" and "Evidence Engineering" that they do. For a beautifully constructed analogy, look into cinematic art! I'll give a link to my youtube channel here, where I get especially into the matter, although I have only collected the material, mostly, and have yet to fully analyze it for exposition to others: Link Here I'm specifically referring to "The Adjustment Bureau".
So with these Big Truthers, realize that the BIG TRUTH is way bigger than any of them, and also all of them put together, and also all the rest of us. It is the disinformation concerning it that we are uncovering, for contrary to Democritus, the Truth does not like to hide (he called it "nature"), but in fact there are plenty of people and other things in this world who LOVE to HIDE IT.
[This section has a lot of threads about Alex Jones and others, but it seems it would be more economical for browsing and research to create subsections, if possible, containing all threads about each particular worker: An AJ section, an Icke section, a Hicks section, etc. Just a suggestion.]
So I'm suggesting a general approach that is "no holds barred" in that the individual is, alone responsible for the result. Therefore the first task of the Truthful Analyst is to recognize what are the primary facts of his world, and the primary understandings that he has of it and get to be quite honest with himself about how he handles this.
I have a systematic and quite "systems" approach, and I have a very methodological aspect to all of this which is founded on a basis in my own philosophic work, which itself had always been going on since I was a little kid (I "kid" you not), but which has become what it has become through a long life of applying myself to "Truth Research" in all sorts of special fields, and finally getting to the deeper "philosophy of life" issues that inevitably integrate Big History, Big Religion, Big Academia (including philosophy), and all the other "Bigs" into one big pile that has to be coherently analyzed in order to make sense of the problems which keep arising. It was worthwhile to note those problems and track them over time, by the way, and to study them in detail (the problem of evil, the problem of falsifiable histories and cultures built upon falsifiable mores and norms, etc). If one does a lot of this sort of sittin', readin', and thinkin', one can bounce into all sorts of loose ends where it seems someone in history was just TOO FRICKIN' LOUD about SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL and so he couldn't be expunged from it (yet). Or else there was someone so CONTROVERSIAL about something SO STATUS QUO that her impact couldn't be erased. These things have to be noted. Our reaction to a Nietzsche or a Joan d'Arc cannot be but part of the great issue, since we are implicated in all the ways Truth is revealed, or in which it is covered up.
I have to say I'm pleased to see so much active and aggressive, and even merciless (but sensible) investigation into all these matters on this forum especially. i would have gotten in here earlier had I not been whisked about on various other episodes of a personal nature which prevented me from realizing what was going on. I was quite in the middle of my research and was spread too thin, just to the point of critical lapse in information flow.
So keep in mind, if it was merely that which took me this long to notice the forum which noticed me, imagine how long it takes people who are busy trying to find the Real Truth from getting to some crucial piece of information or experience which would better pave their way to it... That is where the disinformation war is. So the minimal thing we can say about the information/disinformation entities out there is that we each have our own role to play in that process as well, even if it means that we will find we are time and again up against a wall of limited resources of all kinds.
My method, per se, is something like this:
1) Notice everything that is experienced, especially things which seem to hide or be hidden from notice, and take due note of anything which clamors too much for it, in that it does just that.
2) Collect what is salient by all my best judgments including intuitions, feelings, interests, and cognition in all modalities, left hemispherical, right hemispherical, and other.
3) Assimilate this data as I see fit to ensure it is manageable, so that life is somewhat livable and tolerable in the midst of it, yet never in such a way that the process so far is subordinated to the vicissitudes of my personal life (but manage this so that these are acknowledged in their conflict, for whatever Truth they may reveal, even if "only" about me...)
4) Research all available research before they prohibit it. Read books by the ton where they seem to bear on my interests, even if it is "before" I reach the stage of explicit disinformation analysis. If it is true that this was always going on, then it was true even before you found out, and if all you had to keep you going was all anyone has at first, interests in subjects, in activities, etc, (like normal robots), then that is simply what you have to start with. You are to count yourself honored if in this later phase of research you didn't "sell out" and become like those who had no soul to sell anyway: A mere dilettante, a mere clerk, a mere turnkey and system-slave. Now that you KNOW something is up, research as much as you can, as thoroughly as you can, within your assimilation regime, modified according to what is most pressing or salient at any given time. Think of it as being comfortable in your own skin, and being sensitive to the various pressures and tipping points like you are doing information JUDO.
5) Find your Spiritual Truth, and make sure it is NEVER at odds with THE TRUTH. Find that also, and if you can't do that straight away, find out how others have attempted to do that, because many have throughout history.
6) Persist in these endeavors, never faulting yourself unduly, since if you have reached this point you have already done far, far more than most would ever do in your position, and by this alone you have surpassed most of humanity in regards any merits, mundane or Spiritual.
7) Most importantly, never forget the Sincerity of children, and never forget to emulate it. Never forget the honesty your ignorance of many things forced upon you, and always endeavor to be Sincerely Honest. Nothing you find out or realize will matter if you lose this. It is where all this starts and it must be a polished fact of "who you are" before it ends.
By doing this over and over and long enough, you'll see "who is who and what is what" out there in the fields of information and disinformation, enough at least to keep your toes pointed in the right direction!
~ ++ Hanc Defendemus ++ ~
this is very comforting, there's no sense in getting lost in hell or in losing the best part of ourselves here. I do hope you're backing up 