02-15-2008, 03:39 AM
ATS as in abovetopsecret.com?
For those that visit/post often, you probably know who John Lear is.
He was recently banned from ATS for reasons unknown. All that has been said is there was an argument between him & Jritzmann & davidbieny in a Billy Meier thread.
Find more here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/menu.html#NEWS
Anyway, if you guys know who Jritzmann & david is, he FREQUENTLY tries to debunk Billy Meier. Here's a sample post from one of them:
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[size="1"]Lear,[/size]
[size="1"]We have indeed debunked any number of the Meier photos. I took one in particular and tore it apart, Jeff has done a number of them. I've clearly shown, in the photo I debunked, the black cloth that the "light fixture/ship" was propped on, as well as the fact that there are no light reflections on the cars beneath it. My findings are on the Paracast forums for all to see.[/size]
[size="1"][color="#990000"]ANY yutz with functioning eyes and brain can take one look[/color] at the "night-time" "wedding cake" shot, and see the miniature car and tree, and the fact that the scene is being illuminated by photo spots, they are clearly reflecting in the spheres. Lack of depth of field, lack of atmospheric density, hell, man, [color="#990000"]you'd have to be stupid to find this image convincing[/color].[/size]
[size="1"]The idea of having to go to Switzerland to debunk photos is obviously devoid of any flavor of logic, as is the notion that we should replicate them in order to show how they were done. Regardless, Jeff has already done that, with more than one photo. And the model you've made fun of - well, it was built by one of the best model guys in the industry - Ray Harryhausen - so if you feel comfortable denigrating the efforts of one of the greatest visual effects experts of all time, well, what can I say?[/size]
[size="1"][color="#990000"]Only the most gullible yokels find this "case" to be compelling[/color] in any fashion, it would be so sad to see someone of your intelligence dumped in that box, dontcha think? Meanwhile, HornDog has publicly stated that the photos are not even important, it's the prophecies. And when that fails, it's the philosophy. And after that, who knows, the pickled cabbage and peppermint shnaps shots, whatever it takes to make anyone believe in this nonsense.[/size]
[size="1"]Meanwhile, as it's already been pointed out, you did not answer my simple question.[/size]
[size="1"]Perhaps you're not capable of answering a direct question, [color="#990000"]too much jet fuel over the years[/color]?[/size]
[size="+1"][size="1"]dB[/size]"[/size]
I'm just a little upset these people can call people idiots and morons for believing that a one-armed man in Switzerland could've pulled off the most convincing UFO case of all time, while John is being banned for "unknown" reasons.
Feel free to share your opinion. :)
For those that visit/post often, you probably know who John Lear is.
He was recently banned from ATS for reasons unknown. All that has been said is there was an argument between him & Jritzmann & davidbieny in a Billy Meier thread.
Find more here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/menu.html#NEWS
Anyway, if you guys know who Jritzmann & david is, he FREQUENTLY tries to debunk Billy Meier. Here's a sample post from one of them:
"
[size="1"]Lear,[/size]
[size="1"]We have indeed debunked any number of the Meier photos. I took one in particular and tore it apart, Jeff has done a number of them. I've clearly shown, in the photo I debunked, the black cloth that the "light fixture/ship" was propped on, as well as the fact that there are no light reflections on the cars beneath it. My findings are on the Paracast forums for all to see.[/size]
[size="1"][color="#990000"]ANY yutz with functioning eyes and brain can take one look[/color] at the "night-time" "wedding cake" shot, and see the miniature car and tree, and the fact that the scene is being illuminated by photo spots, they are clearly reflecting in the spheres. Lack of depth of field, lack of atmospheric density, hell, man, [color="#990000"]you'd have to be stupid to find this image convincing[/color].[/size]
[size="1"]The idea of having to go to Switzerland to debunk photos is obviously devoid of any flavor of logic, as is the notion that we should replicate them in order to show how they were done. Regardless, Jeff has already done that, with more than one photo. And the model you've made fun of - well, it was built by one of the best model guys in the industry - Ray Harryhausen - so if you feel comfortable denigrating the efforts of one of the greatest visual effects experts of all time, well, what can I say?[/size]
[size="1"][color="#990000"]Only the most gullible yokels find this "case" to be compelling[/color] in any fashion, it would be so sad to see someone of your intelligence dumped in that box, dontcha think? Meanwhile, HornDog has publicly stated that the photos are not even important, it's the prophecies. And when that fails, it's the philosophy. And after that, who knows, the pickled cabbage and peppermint shnaps shots, whatever it takes to make anyone believe in this nonsense.[/size]
[size="1"]Meanwhile, as it's already been pointed out, you did not answer my simple question.[/size]
[size="1"]Perhaps you're not capable of answering a direct question, [color="#990000"]too much jet fuel over the years[/color]?[/size]
[size="+1"][size="1"]dB[/size]"[/size]
I'm just a little upset these people can call people idiots and morons for believing that a one-armed man in Switzerland could've pulled off the most convincing UFO case of all time, while John is being banned for "unknown" reasons.
Feel free to share your opinion. :)
