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***Elizabeth*** · (This post was last modified: 01-25-2012, 02:32 PM by Elizabeth.)

"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. [Archons] It is very smart and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic..." 
"This predator," [Archon] don Juan said, "which, of course, is an inorganic being, is not altogether invisible to us as other inorganic beings are. I think as children we do see it, but we decide it's so horrific that we don't want to think about it. Children, of course, could insist on focusing on the sight, but everybody else around them dissuades them from doing so. The only alternative left for mankind is discipline. Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For sorcerers, discipline is an art; the art of facing infinity without flinching; not because they are strong and tough, but because they are filled with awe." 
 
"In what way would the sorcerers' discipline be a deterrent to the flyers?" I asked. 
 
Don Juan scrutinized my face as if to discover any signs of my disbelief. He said,"Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer. The result is that the predators become bewildered. An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from continuing their nefarious task. If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, it will keep on growing. 
 
Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to its natural size. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of perception become a matter of course. 
 
"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The [alien mind control of these creatures] comes back, I assure you, but not as strong; and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently. 
 
That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices which are nearly zero. A sad day indeed! There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to. My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life for the real mind that belongs to us. The sum total of our experience after a lifetime of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, I would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is merely preparation." 
 
I became genuinely agitated. I wanted to know more, and yet a strange feeling in me clamored for me to stop. It alluded to dark results and punishment, something like the wrath of God descending on me for tampering with something veiled by God himself. I made a supreme effort to allow my curiosity to win. I heard myself say, "What-what-what do you mean, by taxing the flyers' mind?" 
 
"Discipline taxes the foreign mind no end," he replied. "So, through their discipline, sorcerers vanquish the foreign installation." 
 
"I was overwhelmed by his statements" (Carlos Casteneda).
<a href="http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm">http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm</a>
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***Elizabeth*** · (This post was last modified: 01-25-2012, 02:43 PM by Elizabeth.)

"The flyers are an essential part of the universe, and they must be taken as what they really are; awesome, monstrous. They are the means by which the universe tests us. We are energetic probes created by the universe," he continued as if he were oblivious to my presence, "and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself. 
"The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue." 
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***Q3eory*** · 01-26-2012, 12:04 PM

omg, blah, blah, blah, were you talking to me?

***Elizabeth*** · 01-26-2012, 12:40 PM

evidentally...WHERE THE HELL IZ EVERYBODY? <img class="smilie" src="images/smilies/angry.png" alt=" Angry

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**William** · 01-26-2012, 01:38 PM

Thank you for your post Elizabeth. What you posted is well worth studying. If some dont
understand it then they should study more.

***Q3eory*** · 01-26-2012, 07:26 PM

they all did too much Castenada back in the 70's and jumped off a cliff.

***Elizabeth*** · 01-26-2012, 09:13 PM

(01-26-2012, 07:26 PM)Q3eory Wrote: they all did too much Castenada back in the 70's and jumped off a cliff.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it! <img class="smilie" src="images/smilies/tongue.png" alt=" Tongue

" border="0" /> I'm still trying to get a grip on what exactly Archons are. They are the most ill-defined of all menaces. Demons, Lucifer's army are well observed and recorded but the conflicting definitions of Archons make it more illusive to pin down. The Free Dictionary defines the generic term Archon:ar·chon (är<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif" alt="" />k<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/obreve.gif" alt="" />n<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gif" alt="" />, -k<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif" alt="" />n)
<div class="pseg">n.
<div class="ds-list">1. A high official; a ruler.</div>
<div class="ds-list">2. One of the nine principal magistrates of ancient Athens.</div>
<div class="ds-list">3. An authoritative figure; a leader: archons of cultural modernism.</div>
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<hr class="hmshort" align="left" /><div class="etyseg">[Latin <tt>arch<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/omacr.gif" alt="" />n</tt>, from Greek <tt>arkh<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/omacr.gif" alt="" />n</tt>, from present participle of <tt>arkhein</tt>, to rule.]</div>
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***Q3eory*** · 01-26-2012, 11:06 PM

I don't like to think of the Archons,
....but when I do, think, of the Archons,
I think of them as Really, Really, Bad Ideas.
...like in the Theory of Big, Bad, and Better Ideas,
I formulated one day, in communion with the Big Idea.

***Elizabeth*** · (This post was last modified: 03-18-2012, 12:37 AM by Elizabeth.)

"Gnostics preached that there was an invasion that occurred about 3,600 BC and, about 1,600 years before the Nag Hammadi texts were buried, they wrote that this invasion was like a virus and, in fact, they were hard pressed to describe it. The beings that were invading were called Archons. These Archons had the ability to duplicate reality, to fool us. They were jealous of us because we have an essence of some kind, a soul, that they don’t possess, and the Nag Hammadi texts describe the Archons. One looks like a reptile and the other looks like an unformed baby or a foetus. It is partially living and partially non-living and has grey skin and dark, unmoving eyes. The Archons are duplicating reality so that when we buy into it, when we come to believe that the duplicated, false state reality is the real reality - then they become the victors.

Rense: How are they duplicating reality? Is it by using consciousness?

Weidner: Yes, according to the texts, they can get into people and can manipulate people to do things very suddenly that are very odd. But also they are actually responsible for the deterioration of culture, so unlike the culture of the ancient Greeks or Chinese but a cheap façade of a culture. As the Archonic presence has spread across the earth and has escalated in the 20th century, you can see that they are responsible for sprawl and the mass ugliness that is everywhere.

http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html omg...

David Icke, SS and others describe interdimensionals who don't actually have their own energy source but USE human/animal suffering, angst etc energy in order to live and flourish.

"So the Archons were released somehow from a prison – and this is probably what The Book of Enoch is about – where he said he took the demons and locked them in a box but that they would come back at the end of time. Jesus was very interested in relating this idea that something was going to happen at the end of time. So you see this illusion going on and then we see also that when Sitchin translated the texts, the cuneiform tablets, that the Annunaki are probably also the Archons. So we can learn more about the Archons by reading about the Annunaki who came here and altered us genetically [using our DNA] so that they could make slaves of us. So we can work out a picture of what these Archonic forces are. They were somehow successfully quelled and then began their re-emergence and they are as close to immortal as we could understand and that’s why their plan is so precise but they needed time to gain power because, the people of the earth were essentially Gnostics who were resistant to, and didn’t believe in the “religion” that was being foisted on them where they must be fearful of an angry, war god called Jehovah. But eventually, the forces of Jehovah conquered the last of them and now they are pretty much in control of the system and are getting ready for the final, gleeful [sarcastic] orgy of despair and horror [imposed upon humans] which is what they like. So, following Tim Rifat and his horrific description of what is about to happen. This is very appropriate, very accurate because this is exactly what they want to occur.

***Elizabeth*** · (This post was last modified: 03-18-2012, 12:40 AM by Elizabeth.)

The one thing Archons hate most are human beings expressing love and courage. They also hate our awareness of them. [Whoops...too late for that...we're onto them! Terrific! here's our key to kicking their Loser *sses!] F*CK OFF EVIL SCOURGES!

Rense: The issue of someone coming here to save us, whether it’s the second coming of Christ, a spiritual master or ET which may be the most sorry line of them all. This is the most damaging of all to take humans off the hook of responsibility.

Weidner: I agree. It’s an abuser/abused relationship. What these religions have done is beat us with a stick with nails and, whilst they are beating us, they are telling us they love us and that they are doing it because they love us. It’s a trick, a reversal of reality that the Archons are always doing. They are always trying to convince you that war is peace, that love is hate. Everything is always backwards and the ultimate in this duplication. Once you can see it, you are able to see that everything is being turned into a head-over-heels con trick where everything is reversed. I don’t know how we get out of this except to talk about it and people are very afraid. Even scholars who know about the Archons are very afraid to talk about them in public because you attract Archonic energy by even mentioning them but, at this late stage in the game, we have to start thinking about who is fooling us and why they are doing it – and study what the ancients had to say about all of it.