Australian Crack down on Muslim Dissenters

[Mercy Now]

The Australian 'Crackdown' on Muslim Dissenters


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May 30, 2007
The Australian 'Crackdown' on Muslim Dissenters (May 30, 2007)

Subject: thoughts
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007 7:16 am
To:   Editor

Australia Now, Canada / America Tomorrow?????

Excerpts from an on going debate in Australia.

This is true and can be checked at

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Shari law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Shari law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said
on National Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law t hat is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Shari law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks onBali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national iden tity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here So accept the country YOU accepted."

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, Canadians/Americans will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths ! This could apply to all of our Immigrants' both Legal and illegal

If you agree , please SEND THIS TO EVERYBODY YOU KNOW!   If you disagree hit the delete button!

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[Astrojewels]

This article is a little exaggerated, there was one sheik in particular who likes to get in the headlines and started this, he has said some very offensive things – he said Australian women deserve to be raped because of the way they dress and compared it to leaving meat outside for a cat, he continued to say that the cat would have no choice but to eat it, and it is the same for women who get around in such clothes! And the other comment was that his people were more Australian than those that were born here, he just raves on about a lot of things to get reactions. This is all because the laws are changing for anyone who wants to come and live in Australia, and I agree that these people should know a little about the country that they intend on calling home. I find it frustrating to go to a store and that person can not speak English, why should I have to sign language what I want? If I went to live in another country I would surely learn the language before buying a business that is just common courtesy, every migrant is entitled to 40 hours of free English lessons but most prefer to live in areas of their culture so they do not need to learn. Everyone is being spied on so really, what’s new?

[Mercy Now]

Karen,

I happen to like the article. I know next to nothing about Howard but agree with his sentiment here .  

[alexandrite]

Mercy...I have to agree. I know nothing about Howard either but this article taken alone sure sums up how many Americans feel about illegal aliens who want to change the country to their values and traditions. Many agree they are welcome to enter according to immigration laws, but stop fighting so hard to change the belief system and economy. If any of us went to their native countries to live, I don't think they would welcome us trying to change their laws and ethnic traditions. We would have to adapt to theirs.

[AndrewX]

Onya Karen,

That clown that they are now wanting to make a MOUFTI is a clear indication that he himself is not the only one giving cheek to the Australian public. I have not seen nor heard of a single bad thing said against him by a member of his community condemming the crap that comes out of his mouth.  Instead, we're now being told they want to escalate him to the position of Moufti... the highest spiritual leader in the land.  IOW, they want to Martyrise the clown now.:discust:  HAH!!  The one I worry about more than him is the younger guy form NSW with a dark beard and a wieghtlifters chest who is CONTINUALLY calling for Jehad here and OS.  He's just released a book on in a few montha ago...his name slips me at the moment, but what a piece this one is.

I have, on many an occasion since the age of 8, had bad words with relatives of my own who came to this country and after being here for over 10 years at the time still couldn't string together a simple sentance in English. I spent many hours in my youth giving both my parents and my relatives English lessons after hours. Within less than 3months I was able to get most of them to the level of reading any newspaper and understanding most of what they read. Needless to say that they were all rewarded fortheir efforts, including my father, by being promoted in all their respectives jobs as a direct result of the English grasping I provided for them.

I FULLY support you in what you say Karen about walking into shops here in the last decade and being made to look a fool in your own land - and it's not just the Muslims that are guilty of this - some Asians and others can really take the cake on it.  Funny though how these people cannot speak a word of English yet are able to obtain full financial support in opening such ventures. If one can understand basic arithmetic, they are also more than capable of learning basic English - full stop.

What really gets on my irrates is when I hear others, and that includes some of my own counterparts from the same land I was born in, sit there and lag Australia as though it being some sort of 2nd rate refuge they had the displeasure of joining. Whilst back in their homeland, they didn't know where their next piece of bread was coming from nor what would be over their heads come night time on any particular day. Here they have a fridge full of food, a house they are paying off or ALREADY OWN or are renting and none are lacking in any creature comforts. I cannot even begin to tell ou how that pisses me off. I see RED and my blood boils like a volcano if the truth be said. 

These laws that have now been implemented demading that any new Ozz citizen must have a certain grasping of the Queens' English before being granted citizenship has been faaaaaaaarrr to long a coming in my books. I have left a trail of hundreds of people in my past, in all the schools I've attended and jobs I've worked at, that could vouch as to how I've been saying this should have been implemented from decades ago. The reason being TWO fold - it helps them, and it helps us who already know the language of the land help each other better. There is no ONE WAY street here, we're in it together, and when one lacks, we all lack. I wish these idiots would understand that as it would make life far easier for us all.

Moufti?? More like exile-oufti if you ask me.  How rude.

[Astrojewels]

Mercy Now, alexandrite I think we all agree on this and Well written Andrew X.

 I was reading an article where a person from amnesty called Johnny a terrorist because Australia has such strict laws with ‘the boat people’ but what are we supposed to do, any country that is attractive to a migrant must carry laws to who can enter, or the whole country would be full of people just doing whatever they want. I agree that many migrants ‘bag out’ Australia and often laugh at how easy they get away with things here, our laws are too empathetic. They receive grants and money, cheap loans, government housing, there are estates being built for migrants.

Australians are not naturally racist, because there would be no Australia without migrants. But modern times have surfaced a different type of migrant, people who have no respect for others, fair enough that they have endured war, poverty and destruction but it gives them no right to come here and rape grandmothers or bash blonde, blue eyed young men senseless, we are seeing crimes from a third world country. The laws will have to be tightened more and more, I will never agree to a belief system that puts women second rate, or makes excuses for beating them up.

There was a young woman in the headlines a little while ago who fell in love with a Christian boy, she was told by her father, she would be disowned and she was beaten, so she killed them.

Because the government has been treading on glass for so long with this issue, it is now in their face and they have no choice but to address it, otherwise it will get out of hand and Aussies will not put up with it, they showed their force last year in Sydney and they will do it again.

[BFBBardo]

My friends ~

I very much agree on the importance of maintaining secular law. (Libra :)
But I see a lot of hot air blowing about that doesn't help at all.
You should not associate an entire group with the crime of an individual.
It's true the Muslim immigrants, here and there, are different, but in a historical context, they are very similar to all the groups that have come to my country. When they arrive, the first generation barely speaks the language, and many never do. The children pick it right up. They're almost always conservative, hold women as second class, and cling to their old ways as an island of comfort, much of which adds greatly to the new country's texture. A few generations later, it is they who are 'assimilated' (Star Trek freak here).
The main differences now are 1) almost all previous immigrant waves were Christian and 2) there is armed conflict going on.
So the natural conflicts that always arise with immigrants are more pronounced.
I am glad that Australia is strong, but beware of the insidious effects of fear and anger, where your logic is pure, fear and anger will distort it, lead to prejudice, and generally waste a lot of everyone's time chasing phantoms.

[alexandrite]

Well said Andrew X and Astrojewels. All most citizens of any country want is for aliens to enter legally, obey the laws of the country, and respect the country's culture. Alien arrogance is what causes dissention. It is not racial or generalizations that they like to claim. I just never understand why the governments are so spineless when it comes to standing up for their country and citizens.

[AndrewX]

Dear [user=777]BFBBardo[/user], 

I hope you aren't confusing me or any others here for the sorts of, perhaps, imbeciles you may have come across in your existance.  I for one will not take kindly to being branded as some sort of misconstrude nut that falls into the catagory of mind conditioning and short sightedness that you so rudly portrayed in your post in a subdude indirect and cowardly manner.  If you wish to belittle me, I prefer you do it in person, as in face to face, and not just sit there over a keyboard cloak making out as though your the newly appointed judge and jury of some unforseen realm that you lurk.

But I see a lot of hot air blowing about that doesn't help at all.
You should not associate an entire group with the crime of an individual.

If the clear cut truth doesn't seem to help you, then I suggest you get out into the real world of Ozz and open your eyes. 

- How often have you walked through the streets of Coburg, Broadmeadows and Brunswick from midnite till 6am on Fri, Sat and Sunday nights and met the real Muslim man? 

- How often have you been up Sydney Rd north of Moreland Rd in broad daylight and watched a Muslim man KING hit his own wife or daughter square in the face because she either looked at another man sideways so as not to bump into them, or because she asked if she could buy some makeup to wear??  

- How often, have you seen who the heroine dealers are in the streets of Coburg Sunshine and all surrounding areas?  I'll save you guessing; they're muslim too.  Who do you think now runs ALL our jails from within??  NO, it's no longer the Aussies or the Mauris, it's the Muslims. 

- How often have you let your DAUGHTER go out at night with a pack of Muslim young guys??  Perhaps you should, and tell her to dress lightly while you're at it, and for some real spice, send your wife with her.

- How often have you walked into a take away shop or large petrol station business owned and run by a muslim family that has all 6-8 of it's children and both parents who are around their 50's working it flat out all day and night making an absolute MINT for the father.  Who is subsequently spotted by retired relatives or parents of yours at the SocialSecurity once a fortnight handing in his friggen DOLE form and fraudulently claiming 'that' on top of everything else he makes??  Well I can tell you that I know of over 6 families that do that in just the Carlton/Brunswick district, let alone everywhere else and those I don't know in that area who may also doing it.  To keep it real, instead of hypothetically gasbagging it as you did, I'll even give you the name of one such fine pieces of work whom you so galantly rush to their sides; Moustafa Merhi for one.  Father of 2 of the 5 Merhi bros who are now in custody over planned attacks on public venues in Melbourne.  So it's 'not only' good enough to have been blessed to live in a land that allowed MrM to make a few thousand dollars clear per day running the massive SOLO petrol station on the corner of HoldenSt and RaeSt NthFitzroy, while then criminally and scabbingly ripping tax payers money from us all, but he then goes onto raising a family that wants to go out and reign CARNAGE on the innocent people of the society that brought them out of their dessert burrows and landed them plonk in the middle of a paradise that they'd have never known in any other existance 'xept the one the Australia provided them with.  Now if you think that most others of their ilk would not follow suit if given the chance, all contact I have had with them since I was a child clearly indicates otherwise, and I've known thousands of them in just Melbourne. 

...and btw, if anyone belonging to the Merhi CLAN reads this and wants to know who I am, I give Richard my full permission to pass on my details to them.  I would be tickled pink to meet any of them in person.  I stand by what I say, and am happy to meet them face to face if they so desired...unlike others we know aye Bardo?  Or will you yet suprise me again?  Be my guest. 

So if you think that I or others here are associating an entire group with the actions of an individual, or that we would even FALL FOR SUCH a moral blunder, then I suggest you start getting out alot more than you do and mingling and living with these people so as next time you'll be more enlightened as to their true essenece. 

If any female member of your family were to go out and have an extra marital relationship with another, would you be the FIRST of a thousand to cast the stone upon her till she couldn't breath anymore?  Or in our Western societies, would you disown her and beat her to within an inch of her life only to then never forgive her and do everything in your power to disgrace and harm her the rest of her days??  All this while you were going to a massage parlour down the road having lavished their full treatment without your families knowledge.  If you think that doesn't happen either, then I rest my case.

As for speaking on my behalf and my families behalf Bargo, I can assure you that when my parents migrated here, firstly, they were given no financial assistance whatsoever; and why TF should they have been when indigenous people of the land at the time didn't know where their next piece of bread was coming from?  Secondly, long before, during and long after my family arrived here, I can assure you that the women were and ARE the ones that hold full reigns on all aspects of the family.  What my mother said mate, counted.  her word was the be all and end all of all and any discussions or disputes the family may have ever had.  My father was the protector, she the director.  In fact, we also lived with my mothers Mother, my bleoved grandmother, till the day she died.  My father ALWAYS refered to her as 'the boss'.  Full stop.  So before you go and erronously catagorize all immigrants about their gender classification within the family, I suggest you firstly shut your mouth and then go and do your homework properly, because my family was identical to all other families that came from that part of the world when they did.  We were void of such disease that made us elude ourselves as to the true strength within the family entity.  Pity those that followed weren't as inoculated as we were. 

So the natural conflicts that always arise with immigrants are more pronounced.
I am glad that Australia is strong, but beware of the insidious effects of fear and anger, where your logic is pure, fear and anger will distort it, lead to prejudice, and generally waste a lot of everyone's time chasing phantoms.

You best heed those same words yourself Brado, because I can assure you that none of them apply to anyone I know here.  If you get confused with such dribble, when others stand up and speak the harsh truths, then I can't help you. 

I just hope that when the reality of the muslims love upon you and your family sets in that you'll be able to still preach such wonderous words to yourself as "beware of the insidious effects of fear and anger, where your logic is pure, fear and anger will distort it, lead to prejudice...".  Only because we wouldn't want you to be generally waste a lot of you time chasing phantoms now would we? 

Fact is, the 13 families have gone about to design this hatred amongst Muslims and the westernworld, but now we have to live with its consequences.  IT is no fun pretending the blade of the sword is not there moments before it slices your head off.  By then, the pidgeon has far flown the coup I'm afraid.  

One thing's certain, all and any previous migrant groups into this land have had their fair share of being ridiculed by the inidigenous of the land.  But never did any of them sit back and start making plans to go out on mass scale and create a near war like enviroment in a land of relative peace, and most certain non of them ever wish to overthrow the government of the land who aided and supported them to begin. 

 Sorry about this Karen and to others here, but when someone sits there saying that I have not taken all the dynamics of a situation into account in reaching a decision, as though I don't understand the workings of the world and how the 13 families are working to make us hate others they choose, then I'm afraid I can't simply sit here as though nothing happened.  Problem is that some don't realize that there's the portrayed world, which is done so by media and books, and there's the real world world, in which I and others have to live in every day.  It is a pity that most cannot disseminate one from the other.

Have a good day

[Astrojewels]

There is no need to apologize Andrew X. 

It is very easy to become involved in a debate concerning this topic; the point that is being made is from the perspective of an Australian, because we live here and all of us agree Australia is a country that has been built from migrants because the only true Australians are the aboriginals. There is always a need to understand the whole situation.

For two hundred years migrants, including my parents have come to this wonderful country, each one bringing a piece of their home land but taking on the Australian way of life. But now we are faced with migrants that are not bringing a piece but actually bringing their laws, we Australians are fighting for our own rights and beliefs. We have been expected to tread on broken glass in order to not upset this cultural religion, as an Australian woman I will certainly not be told that I am a piece of sh*t because on a hot day I want to wear a singlet and shorts, or go down the beach in my bathers.

I agree that there has always been a ‘clash of the migrants’, goodness I grew up in the Footscray revolution – if you have no idea what that is – Russell crow, Romper Stomper a movie based on that clash.

We are being asked to change our laws for migrants, no other migrant has come here and done that, all other migrants took advantage of their culture and created incredible restaurants and business's and made a good living.  

All those on this forum ask yourself; would you be prepared to give up your way of life and take on the beliefs of another, would you?

This is not about people from one country; it is about religion- the seed of war. There has never been a religion that calls for children to be taught how to use a machine gun, or how to cut a throat, or told the child he would be a hero by suicide.

 It is not a fallacy, as Andrew X explained there are areas that you can not go to, this might be the case in other countries, but here in Australia we will not allow this to continue, because one suburb after another is taken over by fear, fear grows and before you know it, our life will have a curfew.

 Australians love Australia, we do not hate our country like most, we love the people, the food, the places and we love the beach, we love being free – well as free as possible in a modern world- we are not racists, but as the wave of hatred covers the globe with this energy, it is trying so hard to capture the land down unda. I know this is the influence of the illuminati to bring us up to the rest of the world, but we will not go with the flow. No, we will not be entrapped by fear and hate, we love life.