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Whose research are you talking about when you say "everyone"?
Research is an honorable thing... while at the same time, notice there is no mention of what they did, in fact, contribute toward the good of mankind... of which you did obtain some gain... ... that, at one time, captivated your attention, somehow has you rebuking the whole without a word of your own, but instead post another's "take". This IS the norm fashion of news by the way.. you catch a whiff and go for the poll parroting.
The thread opener is fraught with hidden, self exposured admissions how that we gave over our capacity to believe these people, only to discover the flaw of our eagerness to latch onto something, anything to assuage our lack of real effort to any cause that matters, our cowardice to follow through, preferring others to present it for us... preferring to sit on the sidelines playing referee instead of admitting the truth that we just didn't really contribute at all but depended on others to do it for us... Now they let us down and dammit I'm gonna let 'em know about it!
comprehende? hit home at all? Me, you, all of us?
It's not a good thing to uphold someone with passion
only to then diss them with the same passion.
We ought to include ourselves in the matter.
People are Human Beings and we can all be mislead, duped and led down the wrong path. Doesn't make it right, that's not what I'm saying. Lumping categorically, is.
There are plenty of "minions"... the compartmentalized that, more than likely, do not even know the part in any devious event that they may have or are contributing to.
I just wish for more balanced news, considering that we have all been duped in one degree of another.
How's about we find a way to show it to them in a manner they can best receive instead of an outright black/white attack, which may never attract their attention?
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I'm talking about the research the people have done to say these people are disinfo agents. Instead of dismissing them on no grounds, why don't you do your own research before you start dismissing info.
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Sifter, I agree with you about much of the material that those listed have contributed to the truth movement. I recognize that David Icke, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Jordan Maxwell and even Stewart Swerdlow have added valuable information to the conspiracy bandwagon. With that said, I think that almost no-one becomes famous or "well known" without being put there on purpose. Think about it this way, how damaging would David Icke's material be to the Illuminati if he never talked about the reptilian aspect of it and just talked about what was happening with regards to the control of the earth? What would Alex Jones' material be like without the fear mongoring and hate associated with it? See what I am getting at? It took me a long time to figure it out but there's an agenda behind all of these famous people whether we think their material is good or not. It's rather disappointing I know.
And I might add to what Richard said that we, us people, need to put more stock into the research that we do and not always look to something outside of ourselves to do it for us. If we constantly look to the answer out there then we are open to be duped, as that has happened. As an example, with the help of only a few other people, myself and some truthers on a forum were able to discover(accidently I might add) that there is a huge amount of cloning going on in the political and entertainment industries. It's so vast and common it's staggering. This is something that Stewart never knew about(I asked him by email several times) and David Icke for that matter. Yet a few normal, regular people figured it out by posting information on a message board(mastermind groups work VERY well by the way.) The best thing we have is between our ears, which is more valuable than someone's book imo.
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Auriga, that was a good post. Disinfo agents always tell some things that are true. They feed you truth sandwiches. Truth on the outside and lies in the middle. There's no harm in reading or listening to what they have to say as long as you can discern what is true and what isn't. Like I read Rense's site all the time and he's on the above list and there is a lot of BS on there but there is also some articles that are true. The only harm that comes is when people believe everything disinfo agents say without question. I see a lot of that happening with agents like Icke and Swerdlow. Some people place these people on a pedestal and believe every word that comes out of their mouths.
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any icky book goes like this:
"True, true, mostly true, Ridiculous Bullshit, half lie, half true, incorrect conclusion."
the Truth is, nothing is, just superior lies superseding inferior lies which are usually BELIEVED by the person preaching them, and I have had the experience of suddenly realising that what I thought was a great mystical truth was, in fact, the same mean old lady in a nice new hat.
Still, the type of Tools being discussed here, IMO, are Worse than not knowing, because they make you Think you Know, and are special/better/wiser etc, then, once you Be-Lie-ve you tend to stop searching/questioning/doubting.
Still, we can all agree that on some level every person is valid and worthy of contributing in some way, even if it is only to expose us to better lies which are slightly closer to the truth? Like when a teaching assistant who has a masters but not yet a phd is set to teaching first year students, or when someone Begins to question christianity in the form of doubting Paul's honesty, or the resurrection of the flesh, etc.
Personally, I think stupid people should keep their mouths shut, children should be seen and not heard, old people are a lost cause, and folks Should have to admit how ignorant they are before posting a "reply" to anything I say, since, as we all can probably agree, fourth graders don't have discussions with Phd's- they ain't qualified to have an opinion!
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I have to give it to ya Q3eory! You're pretty right on.
I'm sick and tired of hearing all the contradictions around here. Many of you say things like "oh, I really think that Swerdlow BELIEVES what he teaches" and then you turn around and say "they are only being ALLOWED to perpetuate their sh*t because of the ptw"... what kind of logic is THAT?
The REASON they are perpetuating their sh*t is to make a living, period! The reason they continue is not because the tptw have their eye of consent on them... it's because they are teaching sh*t and aren't worth noticing or giving the energy to.
Now, someone like Dr. Judy Wood and John Lash... they have REAL, authentic, human, dignified, ethical power behind them (so do the 'truth movers' - as far as the energy of their intent goes - tho they are misguided most of the time)... all this same ol same ol message that the sickos have MORE POWER than those that have passion for the good of all mankind must be quashed (is that a word). The sickos continue because we are too cowardice to confront them ... it's toooooo "NEGATIVE".... you know that meme that has just about affected everyone's mind?
What is up with that? We must offer up what is the erroneous messages tucked into the "alternative" truth seekers instead of going the distance to say they are the illuminati shills... labels like that say nothing and DO nothing to educate anyone about WHY they are incorrect.
I see it all the time and have done it myself... read something, feel something and go "oh yeah" that's the ticket! without having done a toothpick weight of research.
I'm done... going for a glass of wine.
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