Discerning Deception

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This can concern the general figurations of discerning deception or input through the objective observing of publicly and personally important persons/places/things.

A: Simplistically, if you have strategy or techniques for helping to see what is truth and what is non truth, you are welcomed to lay it out.
If you think/feel it may only work for you, that is okay, let's all see what works for us.
If we do not know when we can trust a technique, we will try and test them.

B: Also, if an information source concerns you whether it comes from the outside or inside, even if it is a person/place/thing, by simply being an information source therefore also within *potential* being a misinformation source either by purpose or accident, then have a seat, that is what we are here for. (Yes and if you already have a seat then keep your seat.)

In either case, get comfortable because you might want to prepare for being uncomfortable. As I say, we must be open to all possibilities with our only filter being the exercise of a healthy skepticism. That means re-evaluating figures/sources which you already trust, and if it turns out that we should not trust these sources, it is best to be prepared and accept that. It is okay to be skeptical. After all, if we are going to trust a source to lead our minds/bodies/souls it is best we are wise with discerning this source. And after all, confirmation shouldn't hurt. In fact, deciding to become objective and rational can be rather fun.

All of this also means that we should always have a rational place prepared for us at least concerning this thread. If you haven't much of a platform to reach this rational place, then start building! Because in any case it is going to be rather useful.

If one is not objective, then one cannot be taken as seriously, for the truth is objective and it is the truth if anything which should be taken most seriously. Therefore we should only trust what is objective for the truth does not lie. (Be funny if it did though.)

(And if I am confusing you then add clear thinking to your rational space, because rationality is little without clear thinking.)

The truth is impersonal, whether you are a reptilian or you are a mammal, whether you are a person or a thing, the truth, however many situations it takes on, is still the truth. The closer we are to objectivity, the further we are from interference. The more rational, the more fit to uproot the truth - and it's about time!!

YOU have a right to the truth. I have a right to the truth. We ALL have a right to the truth. Let us not let them keep it from us any longer. Enough lies. Enough excuses. We are in times of hardship and it is during these times we make the most choices. So start choosing. Excuses or no excuses? What's it gonna be?



All that having been said, as we can come and go when we please, and as I have wrote my share today, I am going to just have a minute (or more) sunbath and leave others to get the thread moving, after all I've already started it. So if you already have observations whatever they may be, you are most free to make them - but of course more free if you make them objectively. We will certainly deal when things come along. I will be sure to check up every now and then or whenever I have something to say, as for my own progressive decisions of discerning deception, all in due time, my friend.

[Zodd42]

Here we go...

I guess a good place to start would be Mr. Swerdlow. Much of his info seems to be absolutely true. Much of it can absolutely be proven. Many of his predictions have come true. He is highly intelligent, and seems to have a deep conviction that his info is the truth. His hyperspace techniques have helped heal and balance many people.

On the other hand... His timeframe for martial law etc. by 2003 is obviously false. He also stated the planet Marduk would pass by earth causing destruction in 2003. Much of the 'galactic history' info he offers has little or nothing to back it up, e.g. whether a race is benevolent or malevolent. His claim to speak 12 languages has also come under scrutiny, as many will tell you he only speaks a few words and is by no means fluent.

Is Stewart Swerdlow disinfo? Let's hear your opinions. Please include facts and try to be as objective as possible.

[Mercy Now]

  Zodd42 , Please list his predictions,that weren't told by others before him , that came true.

[Zodd42]

I have no way of telling if he predicted those things first. Anything I can think of is basically widespread amongst 'alternative' news sources like David Icke and Alex Jones etc... and they release all their info for free! If anyone could prove those things were predicted by SS first, by all means...

[Rebel]

On the other hand... His timeframe for martial law etc. by 2003 is obviously false. He also stated the planet Marduk would pass by earth causing destruction in 2003. Much of the 'galactic history' info he offers has little or nothing to back it up, e.g. whether a race is benevolent or malevolent. His claim to speak 12 languages has also come under scrutiny, as many will tell you he only speaks a few words and is by no means fluent.

Is Stewart Swerdlow disinfo? Let's hear your opinions. Please include facts and try to be as objective as possible.

That's disturbing if Stewart really does not speak/write as many foreign languages as he claims. However, on the Q&A section of his website he occasionally answers questions in the native language of the poster--for instance, German, Spanish, French, Hebrew. I would tend to accept his word on this but would like to know if anyone has proof to the contrary.

Would also welcome comments on Janet Swerdlow from those who have been counselled by her. What do readers think of her books, such as Decoding Your Life, and the God-Mind tools she teaches to changes one's mind-pattern and alignment with Self and Oversoul?

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*hands up*
Okay, okay you can stop posting!

Lol, just kidding, but geez just got done with plenty typing and now plenty more to say! I'm gonna go watch a movie! (Or until further notice insert objective input later.)

I was just going to put up a poll too, because there are two other places we could put this thread: in the "Governments & The Illuminati" forum and in the "Reference" forum. (Should'a thought about that before putting the final notice up.) But you can only add polls during editing and you can only edit within the first hour. (Did I say "minute" sunbath?) And now we have 3 different users posting. (Thank you for your time.)

It's not that you can't post now, I just hope I can easily catch up after another two hours.

Sorry to disappoint, but after sunbathing I did put in more replies on Hyperspace Cafe. I simply hope Stewart (our current hot topic) and his wife (kind of me not to forget being suspicious of you as well) don't become disappointments!

[Mercy Now]

Zodd42 ,Didn't you say this?

I guess a good place to start would be Mr. Swerdlow. Much of his info seems to be absolutely true. Much of it can absolutely be proven. Many of his predictions have come true. He is highly intelligent, and seems to have a deep conviction that his info is the truth.

And this..?

I have no way of telling if he predicted those things first.

My point is his predictions weren't his to start with. They were all old stuff .

So I ask you to list what info of his is true ?

[Zodd42]

These things seem to me to be absolutely true.

True: There are 13 families that control the world to an extent with a committee of 300 families that support them.

True: Mind control and programming is a tool that is widely used to control political icons, entertainers, religious figures, etc.

True: Genetic modification is being used to alter human DNA on a mass scale through food and drink as well as "breeding programs."

True: ELF waves are being broadcast from cell towers, TVs, PCs, satellites, etc. in an attempt to directly influence thought en masse.

True: Color, tone, and archetypes are used in advertising e.g. to implant subliminal messages into the human psyche.

[Alien Lady]

Further to the topic of discerning deception : I have come across a website that has very interesting articles on the specifics of disinformation characteristics and avenues of disinformation - also reasons for disinformation and grooming of disinformation agents. Info that really makes you question all sources of info which one has accepted as truth....Fascinating website....
http://montalk.net/

[Hissil]

I have read almost everything on montalk it does provide alot of information on discerning alien disinformation but i wonder how accurate it is. The last part "Problematic Probable Futures" is quite interesting as it gives an objective outlook on the probabilites of the future. Which to me sounds better than someone coming forth saying they know exactly what will happen in the future, because those people are usually 99% wrong.

Zodd you make some interesting points:

"True: There are 13 families that control the world to an extent with a committee of 300 families that support them." -I can confirm this is true also.

"True: Mind control and programming is a tool that is widely used to control political icons, entertainers, religious figures, etc."
- This is true, they are using psychological conditioning to make us willingly accept authority as well as making us physically dependent on and spiritually weakened from artificial chemicals.

"True: Genetic modification is being used to alter human DNA on a mass scale through food and drink as well as "breeding programs."
-I consider this highly possible but i do not have enough evidence to consider it a fact perhaps you could explain in more detail how/why this is being done; and by who? I am somewhat familier with CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and agenda 21.

"True: ELF waves are being broadcast from cell towers, TVs, PCs, satellites, etc. in an attempt to directly influence thought en masse."
- This is true but what I really want to do is create some kind of device that can intercept these waves so they could be played where we could hear them consciously. This would raise public awareness EXTREMELY FAST. I know next to nothing about how to get this done though, but I know it's possible. For example; think how fast people would start waking up if they knew how to make a device that picks up ELF waves and when you turn it on you hear subliminal messages like "OBEY! CONFORM!" lol

"True: Color, tone, and archetypes are used in advertising e.g. to implant subliminal messages into the human psyche."
- This is also true. fast food uses color combinations like red/white/yellow to create a sort of "rushed" setting while restaurants use more earthy colors such as dark green/brown to make people feel more relaxed. Its the same with political ads and so many other things... its really all aroudn you, you just have to look.