Mind Control Cults

[Ravvau]

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[Richard]

I update the link.

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[Sovereign]

No Cliff doesn't have any contact with stew. stew attacked Cliff and Karen before me. stew has a nasty temper that he has no control of and he attacks everyone sooner or later.

Yes, the S's edited all the stories in 13 cubed for their benefit. They added lies to the stories. They made Randy sound real bad and I feel that contributed to his death.

We have the YouTube videos of Cliff and stew in the UFO forum at this link:

http://www.hyperspacecafe.com/forum16/7044.html

About Stewart temper I never experienced it. I can relate to it since I had a Boss who also had a very nasty temper and I was his target most of the time. I worked in the Warehouse of an Electronics Distributor at one time my job was receiving and shipping which was very demanding on me both mentally and especially physically since I had some very serious issues that tormented me at the time. But I always got the job done.

Others who knew me personally were dumb founded as to why he had focused so much on me. I had one time he would go into a rage with me and then latter come back and saying I am not like that. You can easily say the wrong things to him that you think would not provoke him he would go off in a rage leaving you dumbfounded and perplexed. I can generally talk to my Boss and he can be pleasant and rational when I am discussing Warehouse issues I need to address with him but generally he is moody most of the time and is a wants to be left alone. His energy is very negative like a dark cloud is around him and many who know him avoid him like the Plague he is opinionated and egotistical.

I no longer work for the company since I was laid off about two year ago.
I have kept contact in contact with some of my former friends from that company and they were telling me my former boss doesn't get so upset anymore due to serious high blood pressure issues. So I can relate to what it would be like to experience Stewart's wrath or nasty temper.

[Richard]

[user=1633]Sovereign[/user] wrote:

About Stewart temper I never experienced it. I can relate to it since I had a Boss who also had a very nasty temper and I was his target most of the time. I worked in the Warehouse of an Electronics Distributor at one time my job was receiving and shipping which was very demanding on me both mentally and especially physically since I had some very serious issues that tormented me at the time. But I always got the job done.

Others who knew me personally were dumb founded as to why he had focused so much on me. I had one time he would go into a rage with me and then latter come back and saying I am not like that. You can easily say the wrong things to him that you think would not provoke him he would go off in a rage leaving you dumbfounded and perplexed. I can generally talk to my Boss and he can be pleasant and rational when I am discussing Warehouse issues I need to address with him but generally he is moody most of the time and is a wants to be left alone. His energy is very negative like a dark cloud is around him and many who know him avoid him like the Plague he is opinionated and egotistical.

I no longer work for the company since I was laid off about two year ago.
I have kept contact in contact with some of my former friends from that company and they were telling me my former boss doesn't get so upset anymore due to serious high blood pressure issues. So I can relate to what it would be like to experience Stewart's wrath or nasty temper.

Sounds like you've had a taste with people who have nasty tempers. I've had a few bosses like that. Seems like most bosses end up being hard to deal with. With stew he takes it to a whole another level. He doesn't let go of the anger. He'll hang on to it forever and then he goes on hate campaigns. He'll send out emails to everyone he knows about the person he's mad at. The emails are full of lies about the person and he'll make it sound like he's the victim. He'll wants them to feel sorry for him. Then with the person he's mad at he keeps sending out hate mail and even targets family and friends of the person he's mad at.

It's frightening how crazy he gets when he's mad. You can tell he doesn't see a problem with it either because he jokes about it on his Q&A about his Russian or Viking temper. This is one dude you don't want mad at you. I know I wish I never met him. I don't feel I learned anything of value from him and he's been nothing but a pain in the ass since I met him. The only good thing that came out of it was I started this forum and met a lot of great people. I've learned more from the members here than I ever did from expansions. :)

[Octahedron]

Can we accept anything that has been said about the Montauk Project?

I would have my doubts about Montauk if it wasn't for Cliff Dess. I've known Cliff for many years and feel he is a honest person. He says Montauk did happen and he was a victim there. He was also victimized by stew there. So because of Cliff I believe Montauk happened. I just don't know if everything that's been said by stew and Preston is true. I do know stew stole the Jesus story from Duncan.

Richard I read about the unaltered version of Cliff Dess on your site. In the original version of Cliff Dess story he mentioned or implied that Stewart was a willing accomplice with the Reptilians by the fact that Cliff saw Stewart standing there like a Zombie staring back at him. But in Stewarts so called 13 cubed version of the Cliff Dess story is told on page 149 Case #7 Green Star Programming which Stewart conveniently kept his name out of the first part of the story where Stewart is standing their with the Reptilians with a blank stare on his face looking down at Cliff while he is being prepared for the Reptilians insane genetic experiments on himself.

I also was aware that there are some you tube videos of him and Stewart talking about Cliff Dess experiances out there. Richard does Cliff Dess have anymore contacts with Stewart or does he see Stewart for what he truly is as someone who used him for financial gain?

Yes, I remember somewhat of this; I couldn't refind it again here at HCF so quickly.

When reading the 13cubed-book, not only the written subjects are to be understand; also what's NOT written in it or what's manipulated in it , must be understand, the author inclusive.  If this is kept in mind, then the book is a great read;

Discern the things on your own. Learn your own extra spiritual knowledge before accepting this 13cubed-book. The general conclusions made by Stewart per named item are confusing; Also here, the truth stories behind are much more complex than all those "programming" explanations by Montauk Professor S.

Richard, would Cliff like to come back at HCF ?

[Richard]

[user=13]Octahedron[/user] wrote

Yes, I remember somewhat of this; I couldn't refind it again here at HCF so quickly.

When reading the 13cubed-book, not only the written subjects are to be understand; also what's NOT written in it or what's manipulated in it , must be understand, the author inclusive.  If this is kept in mind, then the book is a great read;

Discern the things on your own. Learn your own extra spiritual knowledge before accepting this 13cubed-book. The general conclusions made by Stewart per named item are confusing; Also here, the truth stories behind are much more complex than all those "programming" explanations by Montauk Professor S.

Richard, would Cliff like to come back at HCF ?

13 cubed is part fiction, so if the reader knows this then it can be a interesting book to read. The problem is most readers think the book is 100% true.

Cliff was never on the forum. The posts under his name are his words but posted by me. He has problems with his eyesight and can't read the small print here, so I would send questions to him by email and he would send me his answer and then I would post it here under his name.

[Octahedron]

13 cubed is part fiction, so if the reader knows this then it can be a interesting book to read. The problem is most readers think the book is 100% true.

Cliff was never on the forum. The posts under his name are his words but posted by me. He has problems with his eyesight and can't read the small print here, so I would send questions to him by email and he would send me his answer and then I would post it here under his name.

Is this facility still active ? I guess Cliff does know something more interesting about Montauk and Pine Gap (Australia) than Swerdlow does.

 

 

[Richard]

Are you asking if Montauk is still active? As far as I know it is but only underground now because of junior. Not many people know Cliff that well but in my opinion he is more fascinating than stew. He knows more than stew and has a lot of interesting stories he can tell. I can PM his email to you if you want to get in contact with him. He's a great guy and replies to most people.

[Sovereign]

So Richard what was Stephen Denmans relationship to expansion who at one time was a poster called Avatar who started the original KBA thread but was latter moderated by a poster called Moon Child. Since Stewart indicated to me in an Email that Stephen was his client at one time but gave up trying to help Stephen because he had issues.

I am trying to get confirmation that Steward lied to me about Stephen stealing other peoples work and calling it his own. Which I believe Stephens info from his own website galactic revelations is his own based on his own research by talking to other people who know this hidden history. I figured Steward got his info about the KBA from the original KBA thread and 2nd KBA thread from your website and claimed it as his own info.

[Sovereign]

So Richard what was Stephen Denmans relationship to expansion who at one time was a poster called Avatar who started the original KBA thread but was latter moderated by a poster called Moon Child. Since Stewart indicated to me in an Email that Stephen was his client at one time but gave up trying to help Stephen because he had issues.

I am trying to get confirmation that Steward lied to me about Stephen stealing other peoples work and calling it his own. Which I believe Stephens info from his own website galactic revelations is his own based on his own research by talking to other people who know this hidden history. I figured Steward got his info about the KBA from the original KBA thread and 2nd KBA thread from your website and claimed it as his own info.