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Mystery surrounds north Ga. ruins
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By WALTER PUTNAM - Associated Press Writer --

FORT MOUNTAIN STATE PARK, Ga. --The remains of the 855-foot stone wall that gives Fort Mountain its name wind like a snake around the northeast Georgia park, and its very presence begs a question: Who put them there?

A Cherokee legend attributes the wall to a mysterious band of "moon-eyed people" led by a Welsh prince named Madoc who appeared in the area more than 300 years before Columbus sailed to America.

A plaque at the wall says matter-of-factly it was built by Madoc and his Welsh followers, but most professional archeologists give no credence to the legend.

"There has been no archaeological evidence to back up stories that either this Welsh prince or any others came to explore the New World," said Jared Wood, the manager of the archaeology lab at the University of Georgia.

As the legend goes, the group arrived at Mobile Bay around 1170, made their way up the Alabama and Coosa rivers and built stone fortifications at several spots near present-day Chattanooga, Tenn.

Dana Olson, an author who has spent decades trying to prove the legend, said circumstantial evidence on both sides of the Atlantic is too compelling to ignore.

"I've traveled all over the country finding these forts. Some of them are pretty well known, but I'm still uncovering some of them," said Olson, the author of "The Legend of Prince Madoc and the White Indians."

The stone structures have long been a topic of debate. Many scientists have come to believe that the walls at Fort Mountain and other Southeast sites were built by native Americans between 200 B.C. and A.D. 600.

"We're not exactly sure what purposes these enclosures served," said Wood, the UGA archaeologist. "But they were likely well-known gathering places for social events. Seasonal meetings of friends and kin, trading of goods, astronomical observance, and religious or ceremonial activities may have occurred there."

Yet supporters of the Madoc legend say the wall's tear-shaped designs are similar to ruins found in Wales or elsewhere in Great Britain.

And they point to an 1810 letter from John Sevier, the first governor of Tennessee, who said that in 1782 he was told by an Indian chief that the walls were built by white people called the Welsh who lived in the region before the Cherokee.

They were driven out with the promise that they would never return to Cherokee lands, Sevier said in the letter, and they supposedly traveled to the Ohio valley or downstream to the Mississippi.

There is also evidence of a major battle between 1450 and 1660 at the Falls of the Ohio, which Olson said was the scene of the "big battle began between the red Indians and the white Indians" - the Welsh.

Supporters of the legend say Madoc made two trips to North America, with the first visit coming in 1169. While scientists say the story was widely accepted in the 17th and 18th century, it has fallen out of favor over time.

"For one thing, there is not a historian that goes along with the theory of pre-Columbian contacts in the United States," said Sundea Murphy, who works with Corn Island Archaeology in Louisville, Ky.

"A scientist needs proof. A historian needs proof," she said.

Yet she sees no reason to discount the story of Madoc or any other pre-Columbian culture - from the Vikings to the Polynesians - exploring the continent.

"There were too many other civilizations that had the capability to make cross-ocean voyages," Murphy said.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/251/story/558887.html

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Moon-eyed people.... how interesting.  You find good reads Richard!

Maybe Georgia is a power center?  Atlanta-Atlantis?  And then there's the Georgia Guide stones.  I think they are a mystery also.
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Yeah these moon eyed people sound interesting. It sounds like they might have been a lizard race. There sure were a lot of interesting things going on in America before Columbus came here. I wish I could actually see what things were like here back then. Cool

Here's a little more info about them.

The Moon Eyed People

Throughout the Southern Appalachians, stretching from Tennessee through North Carolina and down into Georgia lives a legend passed on from the Cherokee of the Moon Eyed People, a race of pale-skinned, bearded men who lived in small mud huts and only emerged at night. This race has been linked with the mounds and low stone walls that are found scattered throughout this part of America, structures which were already standing when the Indian tribes moved into the area.

A race of white-skinned men who lived in America before the arrival of Columbus has excited minds for generations. Speculation has run rampant about who or what the Moon Eyed People were. One of the most popular theories is that these men were descendants of a group of Welshmen who were led to America by a Prince Madoc. According to the legend, Madoc sailed to the New World in 1170, then returned to lead a fleet of ten ships that landed in Mobile Bay. Descendants of the Welsh colonists spread across the Southeast, the largest group eventually being assimilated into the Mandan tribe of the Missouri River region. The Mandan Indians reportedly had pale skin, blonde hair, and spoke Welsh until being wiped out by a smallpox epidemic in 1837. The stone wall at Fort Mountain, Georgia is held by some to be a fort built by Madoc and his followers to defend themselves against the Indians.

The legend of Prince Madoc is generally unsubstantiated by any hard evidence, and as far as the Moon Eyed People are concerned it leaves unexplained why twelfth century Welsh explorers finding themselves in a strange land would suddenly become nocturnal.

Other theories have arisen over the years, including that the Moon Eyed People are actually members of the subterranean race of lizard-people that are secretly shaping mankind's destiny. The English Royal Family is counted by some as being members of this race, which opens the possibility for those brutally conspiracy minded types that both legends are true. Charles is prince of Wales, after all.

http://www.northcarolinaghosts.com/mount...people.php
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Blue eyes... and blinded in the sun?  Maybe a race of albinos?  I got this passage from Google Books, Mountain Ghost Stories and Curious Tales of Western North Carolina:

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Also:  "The Cherokee's called the wall-builders "moon-eyed people," because they could see better at night than by day. These moon-eyed people were said to have fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes. Some other theorists believe that these [color="navy"]moon-eyed people built the wall as a part of sun worship[/color], while others believe it was used in athletic games. Some of the other thoughts pushed from time to time are that Hernando de Soto, who spent two peaceful weeks here in 1540 built it or that the Cherokees created the wall to defend themselves against Creek attackers.
Currently, most scholars [color="navy"]believe that the wall originated about 1100A.D. and has a religious purpose[/color].  Many early cultures built structures related to astronomical events. In this case the wall runs east to west around a precipice. The effect is that the sun illuminates one side of the wall at sunrise and on the other side at sunset. Native American cultures worshipped the sun and all things in nature. The absence of religious artifacts supports this theory since it was common practice for Native Americans to take ceremonial objects with them when they moved."
More interesting!  icon_buch
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That sounds strange that they were blinded by the sun. It makes me wonder if they were originally an underground race. Or a race from another planet.
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Wow, I didn't think of that, but that is very plausible (an underground race ).

What I thought was weird, is that it is said they were blind in the sun, but possibly built the wall for sun worship.  They worshipped something that rendered them blind?  OR............... did they just come out at night because that is when most people would leave them alone?

I don't know.... icon_nixweiss ... but it sure is an interesting legend  and I like thinking about it.   icon_lupe
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