The Source of All Religion

[GertrudaRose]

I finally had the opportunity to see the David Icke interview with Arizona Wilder.  Whoa.    These may be old issues for the rest of you, so please forgive me if you’ve already been there, done that.

I am familiar with Icke’s theories and agree with some, especially the problem/resolution scenario.  But I don’t know much about Arizona Wilder.  I tried to find more info, and surprise, surprise, all of the web site pages were unavailable or down or gone.

If she is telling the truth I have at least one big issue to resolve.  So that’s the first thing – how much of what she says is the truth?  If she is/was controlled, then it may be disinformation, right  (as with any other “ex”-mind controlled person)?

But here is where I really need everyone’s help, please bear with my logic – 

Arizona’s history of man:  the Aryans started at Mars, left because the dracs became overlords, then the Aryans went to the moon, the dracs followed, so the Aryans came to Earth.  They prospered for 2,000 years before the dracs came 4,000 years ago.  Only this time, the dracs went underground to infiltrate with the aim of taking control again.

Arizona’s history of religion: the dracs use a mixed form of Druidic, Egyptian, and Enochian ceremonies to call up their ancient ones (aka demons).  This is for very sick purposes.  The dracs also use religion as a way of controlling humans.

So – and here’s my issue – All religion has as it’s source the dracs?

(Sorry if this offends the deeply religious out there.  Been there, done that, got tired of being told to not question, just believe and went off into my own research.)

My sources show that the religion of humans in the timeframe between man’s arrival from the moon and the arrival of the dracs was simple worship of the earth, sky, and other elements.

I tend to make huge leaps in explanations so hope I’m not confusing or leaving out bunches.  I’m interested in everyone’s comments, here - is all religion a method of mind control?

[DreamTime]

IMHO...regarding organized religions...yes!  I do not intend to say that there is not a 'God' or 'Godmind' or 'Spark' or whatever you want to call it. I do believe that there is 'something' that started everything...but I do think that all religions are man-made and are nothing more than a form of control. The (religions) control over their masses.

[BFBBardo]

That whole story of the Dracs and the Humans sounds like an L.Ron Hubbard story.

According to the story as you relate it, the Draconians combined elements of already existing human religions, twisted them, and used them in demonic ways. So how are you getting that human religion has a Drac origin? And really, the mentioning of the "Aryans" being chased off by the "Dracs". Is this some kind of Jew-paranoia manifested as science fiction?

I sort of splinteringly disagree with Dreamtime about organized religion. You cannot discount that the organized religions, granted yes they are a form of social control, but to say that they are nothing more than that is a bit off.

The Reptilian Mind is an interesting idea which I think relates to this whole mythos of the Humans being chased off Mars by the Reptiles. It was a book by Frederick Franc I was loaned once ~ it deals with a lot of things (He is one of the Great modern philosophers) but among them the concept of how Ontogeny recapitulates Phylology. Which is the fancy way of saying that we, as humans, do in fact still have the earlier minds. Our minds' evolution has been added to in layer after layer, spiraling....as we go back down the spiral, we de-evolve, back into early mammals, amphibians, reptiles. Being equivocated by science makes it especially compelling to me. So there is, in fact, Reptilian programming in all human brains. It is hard-wired, though, the further back you go. Which is why humans are capable of such amazing and/or horrendous things in situations where the higher mind is temporarily off-line. But this kind of biological programming is very different from the kind of programming people talk about here, I think.

[William]

GertrudaRose,  Most of Arizona's story is correct.  If you did a research on Mind control in the USA then you would find a Recent News story admitting from the Gov that they have been doing it even to our own people.  Now Arizona had very evil people programming her and They would Distort some Truths and she would stay true to what they told her.  So not everything from her is the truth but not a lie either.    Also just because a high level controller is telling her things it does not mean they will always tell her the truth.  They will plant some false things in there so they can trace back where and whom she got the info from.    Mind control in History can be traced back for eons.    On this planet All religion is from the Dracs.  The Dracs were here Before US, mankind.    Thats why you see old old civilizations with Dragons as thier symbols.  Follow history back to early civilizations and look at the picutres or drawings.     Anything but truth taught is mind control.  Who is to say what truth is?  That is where man kind should step in now.  We know and feel that doing bad or wrong things is not right.  That is our truth.  Do we follow that?  Ultimately we want to rely on our own right to live free and in harmony with our environment. 

[BFBBardo]

The story does not ring true. It seems to me the moderators of this site are too eager to believe in things, at the cost of skepticism and truth. How can you find truth without a grain of salt, without skepticism?
I think the alt-history has value as modern myth, which is what it is. There is a need for myth in humanity, and the ancient myths seem quaint to a modern mind. So we include space travel, other planets, aliens, etc., into our mythology. It has great value in understanding ourselves, the journey of a hero to escape and overcome the opressors, and the adventures had along the way. But to call this tale a literal history or science is a major backsliding. It's not much different than taking the Bible literally.

So the only evidence of these Dracs is dragon symbology? No accounts, no references, certainly no bones, nor any remnant of the highly advanced technology these people must have had to travel, in numbers, from Mars to the Moon. Not to mention it is quite clear that the Moon had no atmosphere anywhere near the time stated. Then, for some reason, it took the Dracs thousands of years to follow the "Aryans" to Earth, despite their technology. And now- what, they are here? In a First Contact kind of ruse, where they use technology to hide in hidden bases and manipulate us? What the hell for? If there were reptilian sentients on Earth, you can be assured they would be living somewhere they could bask in the Sun. That's THEIR programming.

Look, I have an open mind. There are more stars than grains of sand on all the beaches of the Earth. That's a fact. So intelligent life out there seems to me to be a statistical certainty. It is bound to happen. The vast majority of stars are in galactic centers, much too dangerous to harbor life as we know it (Jim). A Reptilian sentient is quite possible, especially on a planet that did not undergo a mass extinction as ours did. What would have become of the long descendents of the Raptors? They might have been running the show by now. But they are not running this one. There would be hard evidence, the timelines would have to make sense.
I absolutely love the music of Sun Ra. But please, get real, the man was not born on Saturn, nor could he have played any gigs there. He was born of Earth and returned to Earth, as are all of us.
Reality is interesting enough! There is no need to add wood to the fire!
I do take hope, though, when I see that even though our beleifs are radically different, we come to common ground. That we know right from wrong from what is within us, and to maintain the freedom to live in harmony with our environment. This is the same common ground we have with all humans, by and large.

[Richard]

BFB, I have to disagree. The moderators on this forum were chosen for their knowledge. What they believe has been well researched. If they were too eager to believe in things, they would believe in all the new age beliefs that are out there. They don’t believe just for the sake of believing. What they believe in is a result of many years of research and personal experience. I feel William and Astrojewels are some of the most knowledgeable moderators are the net and I’m grateful for having them here. I think everyone can learn a lot from thier wisdom. :)

[Mercy Now]

Hey BFBBardo,

 To quote John Prine "Some humans ain't human" :big grin: . I love that song.:lol:

Sadly, this also comes from my "Been There Seen That :shock: Wish I Hadn't " file.

 

 

[William]

Bfbbardo, There is much more evidence out there beyond dragon symbols.  If you really have studied You could show Me more symbols and even better evidence.  Even once in a  while such shows as the History channel shows such evidence.  I dont present everything at once hoping others will do their own research and either Prove me wrong or right and keep studying.  If you would even notice the Pyramids as some kind of evidence alone that there was soooo much more knowledge back then and we could not even of built such pyramids until now in our time. 

  Whether You believe a story or not does not make it any less real.  If I told you my story you probably would not believe me yet it was real.  I have studied and experienced.     I believe everyone should have their own opinion but you generalize too fast for not being here very long nor have you really read all that we have posted along with alot of evidence others here have posted.  We are not really here to Prove anything or to Prove evidence out there.  We do what we do and know a few things.  I pray for balance and higher understanding.  Some prayers come true!

    I like what you have to say and enjoy your post.

  No one here has said anyone traveled from mars to moon....  Scientist have just stated that there is low atmosphere on the moon, BTW the moon in Hollow.    The Dracs were here before mankind.   I have skepticism about most everything.  I think if you would study more and keep your mind open you would blow me away with what you learn.    But most of your above post is incorrect as an argument.!

Peace Bardo  :)

[GertrudaRose]

I love this discussion, even the parts that seem to disagree. I very much enjoy trying to see an issue from all of the angles. Of course, I will consider them all but eventually come to what I think are the best parts.

If we are so bold as to say that organized religion may not be a good thing, certainly there is a place for spirituality. I have great respect for the earth, for example. And I think there are natural sources of energy and power that we have yet to discover.

Maybe we should consider intention. Is my intention to make more money or is it to keep the earth clean? Is my intention to get ahead of everyone else in traffic or is it to be courteous so everyone has a pleasant drive? Is my intention to feel superior to others or to love everyone equally?

If my intentions are good, does it matter who or what I worship? I think it must. So there is a good example of Gertruda's circular logic! Aaarrgghh!

[William]

 Gertrudarose, good post.   But a friend of mine just woke up from a coma and he was very old.  He has been in the coma for a very long time and we all thought that we should give him things from his time period to help him come forward in time to catch up with all the new things in our Now time of point.   So he is now worshipping Hitler because he was on the cover of an american  magazine for man of the year!

:dude: