Turkish PM storms off in Gaza row

[AndrewX]

news.bbc.co.uk

Turkey's prime minister has stormed off the stage at the World Economic Forum in Davos after a heated debate on Gaza with Israel's president.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan clashed with Shimon Peres, whose voice had risen as he made an impassioned defence of Israel's actions, jabbing his finger.

Mr Erdogan said Mr Peres had spoken so loudly to conceal his "guilt".

He accused the moderator of not allowing him to speak and said he did not think he would return to Davos.

The Turkish PM stressed later that he had left the debate not because of his disagreements with Mr Peres but because he had been given much less time to speak than the Israeli leader.

Turkey is one of the few Muslim countries to have dealings with Israel, but relations have been under strain since the Islamist-rooted AK Party was elected to power in 2002.

Late on Thursday, a WEF official said that Mr Peres and Mr Erdogan had spoken by mobile telephone, and both men now considered the matter closed.

Dinner time

In the debate, Mr Erdogan was cut off as he attempted to reply to Mr Peres.

Palestinian children reportedly injured in an Israeli missile attack lie in hospital in Khan Younis, Gaza, 29 January
Many of the casualties in Gaza have been children, doctors say

Earlier the Turkish Prime Minister had made an address himself, describing Gaza as an "open-air prison".

When the audience applauded Mr Peres, he said: "I find it very sad that people applaud what you said. You killed people. And I think that it is very wrong."

The moderator, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, had given him a minute to reply, then asked him to finish, saying that people needed to go to dinner.

"I do not think I will be coming back to Davos after this because you do not let me speak," Mr Erdogan shouted before marching off the stage in front of Mr Peres, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and an elite audience of ministers and international officials.

Mr Peres had told the audience Israel was forced on to the offensive against Hamas by thousands of rockets and mortars fired into Israel.

"The tragedy of Gaza is not Israel, it is Hamas," the Israeli leader said.

"Why did they fire rockets? There was no siege against Gaza. Why did they fight us, what did they want? There was never a day of starvation in Gaza."

He argued that Mr Erdogan would have reacted in the same way if rockets had hit Istanbul.

More than 1,300 Palestinians and 14 Israelis were killed during the three-week conflict which began on 27 December.

Mr Erdogan later complained that he had been allowed to speak for just 12 minutes compared with 25 for Mr Peres.

"I did not target at all in any way the Israeli people, President Peres or the Jewish people," he said.

"I am a prime minister, a leader who has expressly stated that anti-Semitism is a crime against humanity."

Video and story here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/davos/7859417.stm

[AndrewX]

Any comments from anyone regarding this? 29users here have seen it so far, and not one response? Rick, what do think about this? Anyone?

[DreamTime]

What do you want us to say, Andrew? I watched the video and it was kind of hard to read the translated words, since they were written in white and blended in with some of the background, but it was kind of amazing that they let him say as much as he did. I wonder if what he said at the end about the Illuminati, NWO, and such, if this is the proof that some people need about it being real, or if they will just say it was an angry, crazy politician who was upset that he didn't get his own way? I know I wish there was more proof about all of this so I could get my girls to believe what is out there.

[AndrewX]

You hit the nail on the head DT as to what and why I posted this.  My angle is the illuminati issue, not the stupid threat he made about nuking Israel, nor the foul language he used to make his point.  IMO, as good as his intent may have been or not, he's ruined the impact his speech would have had if he'd spoken in a more civilized manner.  He should've contained himself alot more.  But then again, what can one expect from a Turk? {says I with tongue in cheek}

I feel that it may still have impact on exposing them more than they were before his outcry.  People of the westernworld may not succumb to his outrage or implications towards the sickly ones, but I've no doubt that they'll be many thousands throughout the middleEast and beyond who are at this moment asking and researching about this thing he refered to as zionists, illuminati and freemasons... which they would never have done if it weren't for his outrage.

All in all, I would have to say that this is a yet another step in aiding in their exposure which will in return add to their demise a little more.

I take it as more of a victory for our plight than a hinderance, all things being equal.

May I also add; may he who is without sin cast the first stone.  It's alright for him to point the finger at Israel for whatever reason, but if I were in his shoes I'd take a good look at his own countries deeds before doing so.  The illegal occupation of HALF of Cyprus in which thousands died to achieve.  The ruthless and senseless slaughter of millions of Kurds... and I could go on.  Suffice to say that if I were in his shoes I would not have been so backwards in coming forwards about another nation if I had pooed in my nest as they have. 

He should have stuck to the real issue at hand, kept his language under control, and proven to everyone what an educated and civilized man he is.  Instead, he has only aided in furthering the illuminati&Co's right to unleash even more evil in the world with the support of their blind followers.

As much of a victory as this may have been towards their exposure, I feel it would have been far more efficient had he contained himself and stuck to the big picture rather than smaller parts of it which were mostly hypocritical and contradictive rather than constructive.

...but it was kind of amazing that they let him say as much as he did.

I have no doubt that the people of Turkey will pay a high price for his outburst... they need some sort of 'right' to do it with if they don't want more questions being asked by the public.

I suppose a small step is better than none. 
We've more work to do yet.

[Metal Guru]

It says a lot that he got a round of applause.

[DreamTime]

Yes, I heard the applause, and I saw that one guy shake his hand as he left the stage.

[Richard]

Great video Andrew, I think it’s about time people stand up to Israel.

[Mercy Now]

I'm unable to watch UTUBE as I'm on dial -up so I don't know what was actually said  but I agree with Richard in that Israel needs to be held to questioning.

The persecution of people who for various reasons have questioned some info and "facts " about the Holocaust and labeling them 'anti-semetic" is nothing short of a modern day  witch hunt and  Inquisition in my book .  That being said I'm also aware that these types of oratory are created and used by the Parasites That Be to inflame and ignite situations that would further their goals and contribute to the very energy they feed on.

[HeadSpace]

There's also the possibility this was planned for some reason, but it would be a weird if that is the case:)

What kind of prime minister would do this? I mean, it's a good thing, but I cant see how someone like that gets to be in that position.

[AndrewX]

Hi again people,

Thanks for the reponses everyone, I felt this was an important issue that needed some discussion for many a reason.  If I were posting about my hobbies, my ventures, food recipes or some unkowns ufo video and got no response I could care less.  I know well that people are busy and have other things to do, as I do myself.  Minor issues remain as such whether they're discussed or not.  But I honestly feel that this issue would be about the most poinant that I have ever posted; feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.  Feedback on it allows others and myself to see things in a light that I may not have been able to had it not been for another persons thought on the matter which may have never occured me.  I'm no oracle, and I'd be first to say it.  So I do appreciate everyones thoughts on it, rest assured.

I agree Rick, I believe that ALL tyranny MUST be resisted, irrespective of what it is.  But nuking is not an option in my books, even war isn't.  Our collective minds are FAR more powerful than a million of either of those options.  That is what I did NOT like about Erdagon's response.  What he said makes him no less a tyrrant than those he righteously antagonized; namely the illuminati&Co.

You and I both know what havoc a nuke would unleash on all of Europe if they dropped one anywhere in it.  The fallout would kill and sicken millions over time.  It's not just the initial destruction one needs to worry about.  There has to be a better way, whether Turkey or anyone else realizes it or not.

After all, not all Jews or Americans or Muslims hate each other, nor would many of them want to wish death and war on one and other...  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWvMJuHJ1fI

As Headspace says, this may well be a setup of sorts.  No doubt Erdogan would NOT have made these comments off his own bat, as he would never make ANY comment off it.  The same for all supposed leaders of any illuminati controlled nation... which is most of them.  Anything and everything they say and do has a hidden agenda.  Everything.  Time will tell what theirs is for this one.

Not a savourable situation either way.icon_afraid