Actor David Carradine found dead in Bangkok

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CARRADINE KIN: PROBE THE MARTIAL ARTS MAFIA


By ADAM NICHOLS


A secret sect of kung fu assassins could have silenced actor David Carradine as he delved into their shadowy activities, according to his family's lawyer.

In a twist that could be straight out of one the "Kill Bill" star's movies, attorney Mark Geragos suggested that Carradine may have been killed as he tried to uncover groups working in the martial-arts underworld.

The lawyer said the actor's family refuses to believe he died in a sadomasochistic sex stunt gone wrong -- despite his being found naked with a rope tied around his neck, wrists and genitals.

Loved ones have urged the FBI to travel to Thailand and pick up the pieces of the police investigation there.

"They've done it because of the conflicting reports and the nature of those reports that have given the family great pause," Geragos said.

The secret societies of martial artists should be the first place they start looking for answers, said the prominent Hollywood lawyer, who has represented Michael Jackson, actress Winona Ryder, wife killer Scott Peterson and singer Chris Brown.

The bizarre claim was made on "Larry King Live" on CNN Friday after a panel member said, "David was very interested in investigating and disclosing secret societies."

"Absolutely," said Geragos.

"What that means is connected to martial arts and his interest in martial arts," he continued. "And so there is a suspicion that if there was some foul play, that that may be the first area where they should look."

Secret societies in kung fu date back centuries and were originally formed as humanitarian groups, fighting on the side of the people against corrupt Chinese dynasties. But in the last 200 years, many started to turn to criminal activities.

The suggestion they killed Carradine echoes conspiracy theories that Bruce Lee -- who, ironically, competed with Carradine for the lead role in the 1970s TV series "Kung Fu" -- was killed in 1973 by the Triads, a Chinese secret society.

Authorities said Lee, 32, died of brain swelling triggered by a reaction to medication.

Carradine, who was found dead in a Bangkok hotel last week, had been fascinated with martial arts since he first began studying the discipline upon landing the "Kung Fu" role.

"It's a way of life," the actor once said in an interview.

He had dusted off his martial arts moves 30 years later for the title role in Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill" movies.

His ex-wife, Marina Anderson, told The Post yesterday, "If he was involved in secret societies, it was a secret that even I didn't know about.

"But he did have some big secrets."

Carradine was found dead in the closet of a Bangkok hotel last week.

Thai authorities think he might have died while pleasuring himself in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation -- a practice which involves temporarily cutting off the brain's supply of oxygen to create a sexual turn-on.

He had been accused of being a fan of "potentially deadly" kinky sex acts in divorce papers Anderson filed against him in 2003.

Carradine's family has lined up famed forensic expert Dr. Michael Baden -- head pathologist for the New York State Police -- to carry out his own examination of the actor's body.

Additional reporting by James Fanelli

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[xanthas]

I stand by what I said previously: it was a double revenge act: exposing him in this way as a diminished (and, probably from a 'purist's kung fu martial arts actor's p.o.v - a fake/"wanna be") 'fighter' - I wouldn't be surprised that this was some kind of 'settling the score' in revenge to a non-US affiliated actor being denied such a vitally homogenous role (i.e., from an Asian's p.o.v. this is strictly Asian domain - most Westerners do not bring in the mentality - a bit like shamanism - to have it be part of their genetic imprint). The Shaolin monks are the ones that really developed the Kung Fu techniques but it couldn't be further removed from what Carradine 'played' as an actor.

The Hong Kong film industry's martial arts schools are absolutely merciless in training the young & potentials from a very early age on. The competition is ruthless & only the very, very best make it over to Hollywood like Chow Yun Fat & Jet Li (who's best film was supposedly his last: "Fearless". It really bridges the path from a young rebel to reknowned fighter & ultimately the realisation that unless it comes with awareness, no fights are worth being won for the sake of one's own darkness...)

Jackie Chan is a clown & a real pain in the a**. I dare say Carradine was being despised by the 'in-crowd' of the classic Kung Fu actor-fighters.

It was ritualistic & I think he was strangled first (and, the hands tied is a major give away - you can't use your hands which are vital in martial arts) & then the remaining tie-ups & being 'hidden' in the closet speak volumes... Asians don't speak an as obvious "straight in your face" language as Caucasians would & they speak even more in symbolism than the 'average' Illuminati agent.

[AndrewX]

Yes Karen, David was a nasty piece of work in his younger years, but I was unaware that he was into the drugs; that no doubt didn't help in calming him.  His murder was ritualistic, no doubt... and the latest article on him posted just above is 'panic recovery' at its best.  Conveniently published immediately after it was mentioned that he was dedicated to exposing secret societies.  Nice try Reuters... but no cigar.  In fact, I'd like to thank Reuters for confirming it was an illuminati ritual slaying... keep up the good work guys. lolol

[user=14]Sariel[/user] wrote:

What do you think about Mel? He's from Australia. Maybe you know him? Are there more famous actors/actresses from there except for Kylie Minogue and that girl that played Xena and of course Peta Wilson (Nikita)?

I find movies from there very symbolic/programmed i.e. The Tribe series from New Zealand.

I think Mel is over-rated Sariel, his not bad but his not great by any stretch of the imagination.  I once read somewhere that his father who was also an actor was a freemason; suprise suprise... and no, I don't know him I only know of him.

There are better male Aussie actors than Mel Gibson IMO Sariel;

 

Errol Flynn

Geoffrey Rush

Hugh Jackman

Heath Ledger

Guy Pearce

George Lazenby (played 007)

Eric Banner

Bryan Brown

Anthony LaPaglia

Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith – The Matrix)

Russell Crowe

 

There are also better female actors than Kylie, Peta and Xena IMO, the following make them all look like amateurs;

 

Cate Blancett – simply brilliant by anyone’s standards, none better IMO

Wendy Hughes – top class

Germaine Greer – say no more

Nicole Kidman

Poppy Montgomery - ;)

Portia De Rossi

Toni Collette

Naiomi Watts



The Xena series was an orgy of occult symbologies, I find most Hollywood financed movies are open slather on symbolism and programming.

Xanthas, I wouldn't rate Jacky as an actor, he can't act... but he's an incredible stuntman.  He's got more lives than 100 cats.lolol

[Astrojewels]

AndrewX, I did not say drugs?

 

I once watched a documentary on Jackie Chan and found it very informative, he was sold by his parents and was raised in the acrobat martial arts home for children, yes it’s a bit like a circus but I think more like cirque Du Soliel, and he actually had a happy childhood, but he did say that his training and school work was around 12-14 hours per day.

[Rod]

I just read a recent article stating he died accidently from a sex act gone wrong....had rope tied to his genetalia as well as a noose around his neck....

either way, sounds suspicious :/

[Rod]

Here's the article:

Kill Bill star died 'during sex act'

They would neither confirm nor deny suggestions that Carradine was attempting auto-erotic asphyxiation, a practice designed to boost sexual pleasure.

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Monday, June 08, 2009
Carradine: Killed By "Kung Fu" Illuminatus?

David Carradine may have been killed by an illuminatus, a supposed enlightened one, even if the victim also turns out to be the perpetrator. Maybe he was murdered because he had become a "seeker"? Carradine, it appears, was investigating "secret societies." (See update at the end for the latest on the Carradine family's "Kung Fu" conspiracy angle.)

Not Illuminati, but illuminatus

By my reference to "illuminatus," I am not talking about the Illuminati, that Bavarian Order created by Adam Weishaupt (1748-1830) in 1776 that was stamped out in 1784. I am not a John Bircher, heaven forbid.

Look, the enlightened have been around for a long time.

Galileo's buddies in the Alumbrados had their run-ins with the Roman Catholic Church, and Weishaupt's Illuminati members had to deal with being banned by Karl Theodor after he became ruler of Bavaria.

Of course, revivals of groups using the name have taken place. These include the "Revived Bavarian Order of the Illuminati," established on March 12, 1901, by Leopold Engel (1858-1931). Then there are Aleister Crowley's sex-magick revivals. The Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) was founded by Theodor Reuss (1855-1923), and later restructured by Crowley (1875-1947), who used the word Illuminati as a grade of initiation within the organization.

John Carradine/David Carradine: OTO?

Here is where the Carradine name pops into the story.

In Craig Heimbichner's Blood on the Altar: The Secret History of the World's Most Dangerous Secret Society, it notes that the cofounder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory Jack Parsons was the OTO's Agape Lodge cofounder. The OTO, he characterizes, as a group involved in sex-magick, pedopilia, and other tales of power and perversion. (BTW, agape is Greek for "brotherly love.")

Heimbichner observes (p. 121), "His Agape Lodge was affiliated with many Hollywood writers and actors, including John Carradine, father of drugged-out star of "Kung Fu" and the cinematic blood-geyser Kill Bill. The elder Carradine read one of [Aleister] Crowley's poems at the inauguration of the Agape Lodge No. 2 in 1935." (Author Heimbichner also mentions actors Dennis Hopper and Dean Stockwell, and filmmaker Kenneth Anger, as Thelemies, the term for OTO members.)

Indeed, the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) is easily researchable online, as clearly having ties with many people, from the actor John Carradine to the gay activist Harry Hay.

The groundbreaking 2000 book, Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons by John Carter and the 2005 copycat work, Strange Angel: The Otherworldly Life of Rocket Scientist John Whiteside Parsons by George Pendle, give more details, especially in the realm of "following the money."

The Parsons' books note that the stimulus for the Agape Lodge came from a visit to the Vancouver branch of OTO, in which Wilfred T. Smith met Aleister Crowley. Soon Smith was sending money to Crowley for the Hollywood OTO. It was Smith who registered and incorporated The Church of Thelema at 1746 North Winona Boulevard in 1934. With Parsons in the background, Smith asked Crowley's permission to form a branch of OTO under the name Agape Lodge.

John Carradine visited the house perhaps because he was a member of OTO, or, as Pendle wonders, for "research purposes: He was soon to play the organist of a satanic cult in the film The Black Cat."

John Carradine (1906-1988) appeared in The Black Cat (1934), playing the "cult organist" who was killed in an explosion (along with the rest of the cultists) when the Bela Lugosi character blows up the cult's headquarters. Lugosi is shown activating the bomb, followed by an exterior shot of the house exploding.

John Carradine's wild sexual ways, as one of The Bundy Drive Boys, is also discussed in Hollywood's Hellfire Club (2007) by author Gregory William Mank and contributors Charles Heard and Bill Nelson.

So, was the father to the clan a dedicated OTO member in the 1930s, or in stereotypical Hollywood fashion, merely getting closer to his topic, as Heath Ledger would do recently with the Joker role, to more deeply understand the forbidden subject matter being researched? Was David Carradine doing something similar in Bangkok and elsewhere?

The elder Carradine, we now know, worked with those who were trying to understand the modern versions of the Illuminati. John Carradine is listed as the narrator for Gary Allen's cassette recording of the tape, "The Establishment - C. F. R." It is noted as an "in-depth look at the 'invisible government' that controls the United States. C.F.R. as a modern manifestation of the conspiracy begun by the Illuminati." ("C.F.R." stands for the Council on Foreign Relations.)

Did the Carradines play the dangerous game of double-agents?

Revelation of the Method

In decoding the alchemical process of this, needless to say, we have to go more deeply into what Michael Hoffman in Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare calls the "Revelation of the Method."

Shall we move onward? The hints are all around, and the story is unfolding. Let's look with open eyes.

On June 4, 2009, David Carradine was found dead in his room (#352) at the Park Nai Lert Hotel in Junfan Mulay, Bangkok, Thailand. Police said he may have been dead for at least 12 hours, dying probably on June 3, 2009.

The early versions of how he was found, tied up with ropes around his neck, hands, and penis, have been revised, changed, and grown more confusing with each retelling of the story. The fact that photographs of the dead are published routinely in Thai newspapers has lead to Americans being shocked to see the images of David Carradine hanging from his hotel room closet.

While this image may be graphic, it seems to have certainly thrown into doubt the "cover story" by local law enforcement in Bangkok that this was a clear-cut suicide. Carradine's hands, bound, are shown over his head, and how one could tie up their own hands is now being questioned.

The news service at Infowars has also added a new wrinkle that flashes back to thoughts of the OTO mind-set. Here's what they have revealed, in part:

    During a segment that aired on the Larry King Show, CNN correspondent Jerry Penacoli says the death of David Carradine “was abnormal, the death was not natural. And the evidence shows that there were ropes tied around David’s neck and around his genitalia and that they were tied together. And that there is a report — several reports that there were ropes tied around his wrists.”
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    Later in the segment, Penacoli says a filmmaker and director named Damian Chapa, who worked with Carradine, said he “believes that there was foul play” in Carradine’s death. “And he said that no one else knows this but his family — Carradine’s family and friends and people closest to him, but David was very interested in investigating and disclosing secret societies.”
    “So whatever that means…”
    It means you can end up dead.

Secrets of Place

One aspect of this story that seems to have been under-investigated is where David Carradine died. What of the specifics of this site?

Why would I ask? As Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare notes (p. 54): "Mystical toponomy and alchemical cant language are part of a process which hinges on a marriage between action in time [or recorded history] and physical locations on the earth regarded as 'places of power' by the cryptocracy's magical-geographical vision of the earth as a giant chess board."

The mystical toponomy of obelisks at places like Dealey Plaza and near the Lorraine Motel may be mirrored in a similar overt form of symbolism near the site of Carradine's death.

David Carradine appears to have very carefully picked this spot, or had someone pick it for him. A 5-star luxury hotel in Bangkok, Swissotel Nai Lert Park offers a unique city retreat in Thailand’s bustling capital, with award-winning restaurants, a beautiful eight-acre lush tropical garden, and nice executive rooms, such as the above example shows. Or so the tourist literature reads at first glance. But we must search more deeply.

The hotel's location is key. One of Bangkok's most unique animist shrines resides under the large banyan tree circled in the upper left corner. Here, favors are asked of Tubtim, a water spirit that lives in the adjacent canal. If a wish is granted, devotees leave phallic offerings of all shapes and sizes. Hundreds of colorful examples are lined up around the shrine. And from the hotel parking lot, along a walkway, to the shrine.

The building at right, shown on the above map, is the former Hilton Hotel, which at one time attempted to stop visitors from accessing the shrine. Subsequently they lost their lease. The hotel is now named after the original property owner, Nai Lert. This is the Swissotel Nai Lert Park, or as given in the English-speaking media, the Nai Lert Hotel or the Park Nai Lert Hotel.

Literally hundreds of penises (phalluses) - from small wooden carvings to big stone sculptures that stand ten feet tall and decorated with ribbons - make this shrine quite unique. Sexual imagery, as a matter of fact, is not uncommon in Thailand. The red, of course, relates to engorgement and attraction. The shrine, offerings, and walkway honor Chao Mae Tubtim, a female fertility spirit.

Chao Mae Tuptim image (about 20 cm high) is located in the spirit house.

Women visit this shrine when they are trying to conceive, leaving offerings of lotus and jasmine. Rumors say the shrine has a good success rate. Women will return if their wish is fulfilled, and place yet another phallus at the shrine in thanks. Little is known about the origins of the shrine, which now stands on the grounds of the Swissotel Nai Lert Hotel in the heart of Bangkok. It can only be recalled that a spirit house was built by Nai Lert, for the spirit who was believed to reside in the large Sai (Ficus) tree.

The directions to this area is even given on the hotel website: "Use the main entrance of the Nai Lert Hotel, walk straight through the lobby and enter the quite large garden with swimming pool in front. Exit through a gate on the right to enter parking lot. Exit through the gate and turn right. Walk about 100 meters."

Sex Magick

Was David Carradine a victim of murder? A victim of homicide turned inward, suicide? Or an accidental casualty of sex magick?

David Carradine was born John Arthur Carradine, the eldest son of John Carradine. The elder Carradine we know was involved with OTO. What David Carradine was into, investigating, or in pursuit of remains unknown.

Intriguingly, one of his first roles, when he decided acting was going to be the path he took was in a television production for the Armstrong Circle Theater called "Secret Document."

After "Kung Fu," David Carradine would take on a starring role (still above) in the mysterious underground Roger Corman production - a new kind of action movie - Death Race 2000 (1975).

His final role would be the most enigmatic, however.

Carradine’s family has asked the FBI to investigate if the actor died from auto-erotic asphyxiation or murder. They also are having a second autopsy conducted.

Will new answers lead to more questions? Or merely silence examining further this bizarre "hanging" death, and give some pause to others investigating several questionable "hanging suicides" that may have clues via names and places?

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Update

The Carradine family have released comments on June 8th suggesting that David Carradine was killed because he was investigating "Kung Fu crime lords' secret societies."

Perhaps they mean the Muay Thai gangs? Or other common examples are the Hung Society (Society of Heaven and Earth), Triads and Yakuza? Or perhaps they mean organized crime groups including the Flying Dragons and Ghost Shadows?

The assassin conspiracy theory has remarkable similarities to notions about Bruce Lee's death in 1973. While his death was ruled to be heart failure, there are still some who believe that the martial arts legend was murdered by Chinese Triads.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2009/0...dine2.html

[xanthas]

[size="2"][color="#0000ff"]Martial arts expert convinced David Carradine killed by kung fu sect[/color]
[/size]Tue, 09 Jun 2009

One of David Carradine's close martial artist pals has linked the actor's bizarre death to that of Kung Fu icon Bruce Lee.

What was first considered a suicide and then reportedly ruled an accident has now sparked debate following claims the Kill Bill star's hands were tied before he was hanged in the closet of a hotel suite in Bangkok, Thailand.

And Frank Krueger, who stared alongside the 72 year old in Break, feels sure a secret Kung Fu sect, keen to silence Carradine, murdered his friend.

Krueger, who is a martial arts practitioner, insists the same sect was probably responsible for the death of Lee. He tells HollyScoop.com,

"[color="#0000ff"]There have always been stories of martial arts societies that kill those that threaten their secrecy. One of the widely held theories about Bruce Lee's death was that he was killed by one of these groups for teaching martial arts secrets.[/color]"

Krueger insists he never had a conversation with Carradine about the killer sects, but admits reports his pal was out to expose leaders were true: "He wanted to stand up to crime families that threatened him back in the 70s.

"He carried himself with a large martial arts presence and from his story it was clear that he was pretty fearless when dealing with groups of that nature.

"I can't say whether or not David was killed for uncovering a secret society or not, but, as a martial artist, I think it would be a legendary end to an extraordinary life. Like Bruce Lee, mystery often surrounds the death of the great ones... It is not inconceivable to me that there could be an ancient society that currently existed that might cause harm to others."

http://www.3news.co.nz/Home/Story/tabid/...fault.aspx

[AndrewX]

lolol I was referring to the comments about him using drugs that were mentioned numerous times in previous posts Karen, I wasn’t implying that you mentioned it, though I can see it may have seemed that way.


Now on another note, regarding suggestions that Carradine and others including Hutchins was attempting auto-erotic asphyxiation etc… I feel this is being used as a decoy because such an act is NOT carried out in the manner that they portray.  Nooses are NOT used to do this because it’s done to the heartbeat and breathing rhythm of the receiver.  If you use a noose or knotted rope you cannot time the exercise as it should be timed.  It would take far too long to release all the tension on the rope at just the right time or moment for this heightened sexual pleasure to occur.  It is NOT done by using ropes, it’s done by HAND.  The ‘giver’ wraps their hands around the ‘receivers’ neck in a standard ‘strangling’ hold and then applies pressure BY HAND accordingly.  This allows for the release of the pressure at just the right moment so as to allow the receiver to take a much needed large breath of air.  You then wait till the person has caught their breath before starting again.  

So what they're presenting about this is simply not true, I am surprised that nobody seems to have mentioned or noticed this in the media.  Perhaps they have but such write-ups or mentions have been suppressed.  

Now where’d I put that cannon 9-tail and my large silver O-ring?

LOLOL

[Astrojewels]

Interesting AndrewX, I heard on the news, and of course one can never go by news reports that one of his wives actually divorced him because his sexual desires were way to ‘out there’ for her. There is so much speculation about him, and this is what I find interesting, and this is what is important to look at, that is where the true message is.