Alex Collier in A Movie

[Sifter]

I agree with that Richard. Just because a person doesn't have evidence does not mean they are lieing.

And it's equally relevant that a doubter not be asked to prove someone is when all they're doing is acknowledging that the person in question really has no evidence.

It's such a challenge writing black n white words on a page, at least for me, I try to be as concise as I can, but sometimes I (we) type hastily.

[Sifter]

Premise and Question to everyone reading:

The email I wrote to Mr Horn was first replied to with a standard "out of the office" reply.
But this morning, he writes to me asking me to provide the name of this forum before he sends me backup links on Collier/Amigron.

I made mention in my initial email to him that I was part of a forum that is dedicated to exposing "another" fraudster (I didn't mention Swerdlows name) and that we were discussing in another thread, Alex Collier which led to us looking at a couple of his links whereby he mentioned Amigron's prison record and the alleged conviction and ongoing investigations and would he mind providing backup links...

So, do you think I ought to mention this website to him?
He said he would be glad to answer me but wanted first to know what forum I'm talking about.

[Richard]

I don't think I would be interested in anything Mr. Horn had to say because I know how debunkers can twist things in their favor. Just like if you read the Al Bielek debunked site you can end up believing what they have to say if you didn't know that facts about Al. Or on the expansions site you can end up believing what they have to say about the people on this forum if you didn't know the facts. Debunkers are masters at twisting things.

[Sifter]

You didn't answer my question whether you think I should give him this hyperspacecafe.com forum site.

Michael Horn is probably too busy to immerse himself in this b'ness w/the Swerdlows, but it might be advantageous to have him at least aware if he stop by to see what's happening.

Thanks anyway.

[xanthas]

Sifter, rather than get Horn's obvious take on Collier (which seems hell bent on making Collier look like a monster...), I think that the link I provided might shed some light on Horn's "obsession" with wanting to claim Billy Meier's sole 'contacee-ship' as the only genuine case of ever having been contacted by real-life aliens...

He was actually a member of the forum of the link I provided. http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.c...1290870000

I find it noteworthy that Michael Horn has been debunked by that very same forum...
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.c...1226437722 as making up stories about Billy Meier to better 'promote' his material - since he is Billy Meier's publicist in the US...

If, however, you still insist to pull the worms out of Michael Horn's nose as to Collier's supposed rape charges and other dirty secrets, you could just say 'Above Top Secret' and leave HCF out of it. ATS is widely known for its UFO heavy emphasis... Just my suggestion since I don't think Richard is particularly interested in having Horn become aware of HCF....

Just my two cents.

[Sifter]

This is not the place to debunk AC when the bottom line is about BELIEF, whether one chooses to believe him or not. It's a waste of time to challenge someone's belief.

I was offered means of contact to the two women in question who actually met with and made the charges to Michael, but I'm not going to bother, not interested.

And the wording at the link that mentions it does not say that he is guilty. Still it's a cautionary note that one could follow up on personally if inclined.

[xanthas]

This is not the place to debunk AC when the bottom line is about BELIEF, whether one chooses to believe him or not. It's a waste of time to challenge someone's belief.

Ok, Sifter, you do not seem to understand what I have been trying to convey here without having to get into more personal details as to my own experiences.

It's NOT (!) about "belief". It's about my own personal experiences I have had that are but confirming what Alex is explaining in a way that I would not want to share on a public forum. I am not going to divulge what these experiences are or were but I know that what Alex talks about - especially in terms of multi-dimensionality - is spot on.

I also know that we do not come from this 'planet' - originally. To 'believe' (!) that is to still "think" according to the Darwinian model that we are 'ancestors' of the apes. To make a point.

To also 'believe' (because that's your pet peeve here), that there is only one universe seems a bit backward and outdated. I do NOT have proof of this but I know that this is not the only 'uni'(single) verse.

So, I repeat just so you really 'get' where I'm coming from:

Alex is confirming what I have experienced myself in different ways and on different levels of consciousness and what I have learned from these experiences.

I hope that clears up the confusion. If not, I really don't care.

[Richard]

You didn't answer my question whether you think I should give him this hyperspacecafe.com forum site.

Michael Horn is probably too busy to immerse himself in this b'ness w/the Swerdlows, but it might be advantageous to have him at least aware if he stop by to see what's happening.

Thanks anyway.

I don't care if you tell him about this forum. I'm just not interested in debating him.

[Sifter]

Me either. I had a nice little correspondence with him though and that was fortunate that he cared and was ready to provide the evidence.

And Xanthas, I don't believe I made challenge to the philosophy that AC speaks about... I actually have tendencies to go with alot of what he says as well. My only challenge is his being a contactee.

Philosophics is a whole 'nother topic. I had arrived at levels of his 'take' before I even ran across the man from voluminous readings and inquiry and personal experiences that I've not shared either.
Gotcha! glad that's over!

[Richard]

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