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That is very interesting that you felt these trails are just water vapor, I live in a rural area that is a flight path for commercial airplanes, you can see them go past sometimes every half an hour, they are high but all follow the same path, yet on the odd occasion you will see a plane criss cross that path and is leaving a big trail behind, why would only the planes leaving the trails follow a different path? I also had a friend who questioned the government on the amount of these trails where he lives and he certainly got a few early wake up calls that were not pleasant, why would they do that to him if he was totally wrong? Are you in the armed forces? And yes you are totally correct that each person has the right to their opinion.
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yes, i'm in the air force, and no, i know nothing about these trails :)
I dont know why a plan going in one direction would leave a trail while another wouldnt but I would guess that different altitudes cause different temperatures which lead to the possibility of the condensation at some point where other points it wont happen.
I've seen it A BUNCH of times when planes take off. a different kind of vapor trail...but when they take off and sometimes land, you can see it too but thats due to the humidity in the air.
I have to go for now...but I'll try to come back later tonight :)
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Those are some great pictures Mercy. That plane's fuselage looks about 60foot long from what I can estimate so it's not exactly a little Cessna. I come from and Digital and Mechanical Engineering backround involving alot of motionControl and large scale laboratory equipment. I can tell that the majority of electronic equipment in the plane are "monitoring devices" and not used for controlling the actual release of gases out of the plane. Rather they would be used for monitoring a plethera of parameters pertaining to the atomsphere in the area which the plane is flying. None of the equipment looks like anything unsual from what I know, though I may be suprised if I could have inspected all the devices in person. Suffice to say I can't see anything I'd deem as being of celestial origin. But perhaps that is not needed to conduct Chem-trails, if in fact they do exist.
I see that many people here have varing opinions on what these supposed Chem-trails are used for. Of all the reasons I tend to like GertrudaRose's about it being used as a smoke-screen. If I may say something to you GR, and please understand that I say it with all due respect and without any bad intent what so ever.
Regarding these diminishing 'Blue Skies' you keep refering to, there can be a completly different reasons as to why this is happening.
The same has happened in many parts of the world that are in or close proximity to large cities. Place in and around cities like Rome, Athens, Bonn, Amsterdam, Madrid, London, Bangkok, Tokyo, Taiiwan and many other heavily populated areas have similar reports being made by people living there. I can personally vouch this is the case in Rome, Athens, Bangkok and Taiiwan as I have been there in recent years and noticed the difference when compared to viewing the sky in the SAME countries but in areas that are far away from there centralized counterparts. Atmospheric pollution in these areas can often block out even the midday Sun on days of near zero wind speed. So altering the looks of the colour of the sky the rest of the time is to be expected and not be taken as the norm'/standard worldwide.
The other thing that could be causing it GR has something to do with the 'fire in which we all burn'... namely time, aging. Let's not forget that with the coming of age we can lose more than just the color of our hair or our youthful good looks. Our eyes can also degrade so slowly as to be undetectable by those it's happening to. This degredation can range immensly from a minute amount to full loss of vision and everything in between.
One thing I can assure you of is that it is nothing to be taking badly as in many cases it can be retified using simple technological breakthroughs in surgical and medicinal practices.
Now the reason I say this is becasue I DO remember how blue the skies looked 40years here were I live and they have not changed at all. Occasionally we get some haze in them, but nothing that lasts too long, and once cleared the light Azureness of the sky is returned. I have in fact asked numerous friends and kin about it in that few days having read your post about it when you made it in this thread. All unanimously agreed that the blueness of our Southern sky is as it's always been. Upon further discussions with them we all came to the agreeance that the one thing that has depleted immensly since 40 years ago here near the Southern caost is the magnificent aroma of the Sea. It once had a smell that would penetrate you to the core. The kind of essence which can heal and extend life is no longer as intense as it use to be... even in remote and isolated areas of our continent which many of us have and do still travel to for holidaying and fishing. But the colour of the Blueness of the skies has remained unchanged... so far anyway.
No doubt, there would be at least another reason why this maybe happening to you in your neck of the woods, but in the end you may find that one way or the other, you STILL CAN experiance the 'TrueBlue' of your yesteryear...even if it means you relocate to a cleaner atmopshere if indeed that is the reason.
Karen, you do think that these ChemTrails are what we dread they are. Have you seen any proof of it down our way? People going ill after the rains etc.? I'd be intrested to know. This person you refered to who received early wake up calls... tell me more. Let me know who I can ask as I'd like them to do that to me. If you give me the details, I will call them and ask about it immediately. I'd love to see what they'll do...such fun, such fun.:D
I have seen such lines in the sky in recent times
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Intuitively and in practice this plane is suspect.
The company name is on the side of the plane.
Battelli.org is where to find more info on these planes.
Battelli is a big name research company that works for homeland security, department of defense, EPA. It's labs also check toxicity levels in the public, and develops hybrid food (franken food) to feed the masses it says.
Here are the locations for the Batellit Labs.
Brookhaven National Labs
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From New York City
Queens Midtown Tunnel ($3.50 toll), continue straight on Long Island Expressway (LIE, Interstate 495). East on LIE to Exit 68 (William Floyd Parkway, County Road 46); north on William Floyd Parkway, 2.4 kilometers (1 1/2 miles) to BNL's gate (on right at second light).
Engineering Research Office Building (EROB)
2525 N. Fremont Avenue
P.O. Box 1625
Idaho Falls, ID 83415
Idaho National Labs Research Center (IRC)
2351 N. Boulevard
P.O. Box 1625
Idaho Falls, ID 83415
U.S. Department of Energy
Idaho Operations Office
1955 N. Fremont Avenue
Idaho Falls, ID 83415
National Renewable
Energy Laboratory
1617 Cole Boulevard
Golden, CO 80401-3393
303-275-3000
Driving to Oak Ridge National Labs from downtown Knoxville
(ORNL Visitor Center phone: 865.574.7199)
Take Interstate 40 West out of downtown Knoxville. After approximately 10 miles, take Exit 376 onto Pellissippi Parkway (TN 162) following the signs to Oak Ridge. Continue straight on TN 162 across the Herman B. Postma bridge. Merge to right-lane exit for Bethel Valley Road, proceed straight past the traffic light to the ORNL east vehicle entrance. (See visitor information on pre-arranging your visit.) Once you are verified, continue about 5 miles on Bethel Valley Road. After the 2nd traffic light, enter the traffic circle, or roundabout, and go 3/4ths of the way around to enter the Visitor Center parking lot. The Visitor Center is the glassed-in section of the ORNL Conference Center nearest Bethel Valley Road ( map of the Visitor Center vicinity).
Pacific Northwest National Labs Street Address
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
902 Battelle Boulevard
Richland, WA
These places are hot so gifting should be done in a ring around the facilities.
Andrew, Not for one second do I feel or believe that my perception of the skies has any thing to do with my age. Except perhaps for one thing.......I remember.Supposedly the air quality in the states is better than in the past due to emission controls on vehicles and industry.
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Just watch movies from long ago or even just 10 years ago. all outside pictures of the sky look clear and beautiful.. Now its hard to have photos of outside without the trails in them. Are you telling me that our technology of 25 years ago was better then what it is today???? I can show you pix of two planes in the air at same time, one is spewing stuff and one is not..... You can see this for yourself if you spend enough time outside..... Also there are environmentalist scientist that have found chemicals in the sky after a trailing.
From my movies collection I have only seen a few contrails in movies going past 10 years ago. That movie is "Spys like us". But I can count many just in commercials nowadays.
If you cant see the cloud prisims that I have seen in the sky after trails then you not looking. Those cloud prisims were never seen before 10 years ago.!
peace :)
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Andrew, I will ask my friend if he wants to talk.
I have to agree with Andrew X that our skies are pale due to the increase in pollution, but also the chem trails because where I live the sky is wonderful and blue, the nights are clear and the sky looks like a blanket of stars and it is only an hour from Melbourne, yet Melbourne is always dull and if you look up, the sky is white/blue it is so pale. But my philosophy is ââ¬Ëlive in a place that has more trees than peopleââ¬â¢.
Yes I believe the chem trails are what they suggest, only because I have seen strange planes doing it, I had a good site that told you the chemical concoction, if I find it I will pass it on.
My theory, no proof! It is very hard for them to make a single product for effective sickness because it can be traced back too easily, and people are getting smart. When my children were immunized, the system they have has purpose; I know the diseases are out there because they put them there! But I never followed the system and never allowed my babies to be jabbed with a triple dose, I did it my way and I had to put up with a lot of BS from the medical staff.
We have this massive request to immunize against this and that, and people see the word FREE so they line up, but never question. I believe that the combination of the immunizations, prescription drugs that 80% of the population takes all counteracts the chem trails, yet in the cities, the pollution is always there so the chem trails become part of that natural air that everyone is breathing.
When I drive to Melbourne I have to go over a mountain and on the other side, there is a view of the city and there is a dome around it, but when you are in the city you can not see it, it is so fine that you just breathe it in.
We have massive increases with people allergic to this and that, and I have friends that allow their 7 and 8 yr olds to have the flu shot, why? Children are so resilient and all you are doing is breaking down their natural ability to fight germs, making them weak, and as I always say the children are the future, make em weak in the body and mind, and there is no future army!
The pharmaceutical-illuminati industry will do anything for profits; it has been proven over and over.
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That vapour dome over Melbourne can often also bee seen when on the Bay Karen. You can see it as far away as Mornington. Be it by boat or whilst on the shore. On days when the wind is flat calm it is pronounced. Which is another reason I no longer live in the heart of Melbourne.
But yes, outside of the main area we do have some wonderfully clear skies. On warm nights from late Spring to early Autumn I have spent many a night lazing back on my boat in the middle of the Bay to an extremely clear panaoramic veiw of our southern heavens.
What a breathtaking experiance it is too. I never get bored of looking at it after all these years of doing so. Very warming and it gives great ambience for reflective thought.
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