David Icke

[Richard]

Thank you Richard, I gladly accept. And, honestly, I think that if I would've not felt where I am now, I wouldn't have been 'led' back here, if you know what I mean... We all have to heal however which way we can and at our pace. People like Icke don't necessarily get us there in the best fashion possible. There are more BS artists out there now than there were a few years ago.

It's a 'sign of the times' I think (...!...). People buying into this whole 2012 hype...very troubling... Talk about mass suicide programming! I think Collier really has it down pat (via the Andromedans) when he says the we need to work towards

[color="#0055aa"]A responsible freedom of self-determination, becoming truly self-confident and free - to become unconditionally responsible for ourselves without being coerced by some other (outside) authority.[/color]

That to me sounds so deeply true and completely relevant to our world nowadays... It's what will help us break free from inner programming and conditioning (instilled, absorbed or learned). That's why, too, I think, a lot of people are not that particularly keen on going down that path because it's serious hard work, very, very challenging...but really, it I feel it's the only way forward if we are to get to the next (5th) level...

Another thing that I noted down from his lectures is: "Remember to let go of what we perceive as mistakes we made, and the regret that comes with it."

What struck me is, that he would say that he didn't want to come back here (I can sooo relate to that !) because of how people treat each other - cruel, and psychologically violent towards not only ourselves but also with each other (as a consequence, so-to-speak). As the saying goes: 'As with-in so with-out'.

In closing I just would like to put this here in contrast to DI's and SS's garbage 'spirituality' (twisting our souls and minds, and, our energetic vortexes). It's a genuine 'opener' to allow ourselves to heal without destroying ourselves in the process:

"The love that you withhold - towards yourself - and towards others, is the pain you carry..."

I agree there are more BS artists out there now than there use to be. I wish Alex still had a website and still producing material. He's one of the few people that I enjoy listening to.

[xanthas]

[color="#0055aa"]Alex Collier - 2010 Earth Shift Spiritual Transformation[/color]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vqGRFTmA...re=related

PS: I tried to embed the youtube video, yet somehow, it didn't show in preview as it should. So, instead, I just provided the link.

Apologies.

I genuinely think that holding onto to our anger and grudges is blocking us from becoming free. In more ways than one.

Doing so is one of the hardest things I had to, but I also knew that not doing so (overcoming my frustration, hatred and anger), would forever keep me from being 'bigger' than a little 'humanoid' victim-minded individual.

Anger, hatred and pain all have to do with not being seen - people overstepping our boundaries, often unintentionally (such as one's parents), and those on the receiving end not having the defense mechanism to 'speak up', say "no" and mean it.

If we don't have the awareness of how to constructively channel that anger (which underneath, is pain) it becomes self-destructive and turns inward where we end up hurting ourselves liking ourselves less, 'hating' ourselves for having "allowed" another person to overstep our boundaries...becoming depressed, sad, not 'well', without necessarily understanding why.

People like SS and DI are masters in doing so, as are all fake 'spiritual' "leaders" or politicians, anyone with so-called 'authority'. By giving our power away (because that is how the majority of the world's population is conditioned), we are easy 'prey' for those that know how to feed off of our 'energy' - be that financially, emotionally, physically, psychically, spiritually, otherwise - not robbing us so much of our ego but of our spiritual essence.

When we begin to re-member who we really are, we pay more attention to our inner Self rather than what somebody 'out there' wants us to "believe" or 'make believe'. It is beginning to trust ourselves more than anybody else because our inner Self is our direct connection to the Source, Spirit, the All-That-Is - that which has no name, no form but is omnipresent in everything, and which can and should not be labelled for to do so is to restrict it into a 'mind form' when as a matter of fact 'God' has no form and cannot be constricted by our little 'thought frame reference', much less by the dogma of religion.

It is not only inappropriate, it utterly lacks what and how big, how absolutely enormous The-All-That-is truly is. Beyond what we know, indescribable in its vastness, encompassing multiple universes, star galaxies, birthing new universes, new realities and possibilities as we evolve.

[Sifter]

Hello Xanthas. After signing on here, I locked into your personnae and made a point to read almost all your posts which made me wonder where you had gone, wishing you had not. So, I'm especially pleased that you are back.

I am in line with so much of what you have posted, having been along similar/parralel seeming roads to arrive at what you have so eloquently expressed here the past few days. Love your passion... thanks for coming back.

[xanthas]

Thank you so very much for your warm welcome, Sifter.

I am glad you gained something from my posts. And, since returning here, I would like to focus on that which brings us forward, which helps us grow in the best, most congenial manner without becoming self-destructive or turning on each other. :)

I have decided, too, to not read too many of the uhm...'spiritual destruction' posts...icon_angel

[Free]

The only thing that seems to have really changed in the last 10 years or so is their websites. And by the way, why does Icke insist on looking like a green reptilian himself? Interesting choice of color there anyway.

If you think you are a leader who is here to save humanity, I guess any action will be justified as well. You would kind of operate above common law. So it's kind of Illuminati but backwards. They seem to be as much control freaks anyway, just a different version of it.

At the end of the day these guys won't pay your bills and will not be there for you unless perhaps if you pay them. That's fine with me but it seems sometimes people forget.

It is also a bit funny how the business seems to perceive all critique as negative, when they themselves can certainly be perceived as the most negative people on the planet and also extremely derogatory towards people in the public arena.

The business is perhaps jealous and has simply forgotten that God made all people. Perhaps the business should even learn from many of them. Another explanation is that it is all a charade for the masses, that they are all in the same boat, knowingly or not, feeding off of each other. After all, where would the conspiracy business and truth movement be without the Illuminati and vice versa?

Illuminati apparently do work both in the astral and with hyperspace, so it would make sense that some of that information is spread to the masses, again, according to universal law, even if it is only to be able to capture people there as well.

Icke seems to me to be operating with astral attachment, while Stewart perhaps has some kind of task regarding hyperspace and programming. Mix it all up with "feel good" stuff and people are rolling on the floor in awe and submission.

It would make sense if both Icke and Stewart are kind of flirting with Alex now if that is where many people find more original, honest and truthful information. Well, they kind of stole from him in the first place. So it's a good thing both Alex and Matthew Delooze stay out of the business. Apparently they have even been instructed to stay the hell out of it anyway, other than perhaps for the occasional appearance upon request. There are probably some very good reasons for that.

And where is the fun, happiness, joy, love and prosperity etc. in the business? Why all the doom and gloom etc. when at the same time they say we create everything with our own minds? What do they really want, and why, for who?

[PurplePebble]

The doom and gloom thing is what they want to generate, on purpose for several reasons.

Firsly it gives them an opportunity to sell their fake solutions, and secondly they feed off of the energy created.

I think the same way DI could be considered a gateway to SS info, AJ is a gateway to DI info on some level.

AJ for the mental plane, leading those who might possibly be interested in astral etc..to
DI for the astral plane, who leads to
SS for hyperspace programming.plane.

Of course SS info is not the end station, although he has set himself up to come across that way with regards to programming info/ deprogramming info.

That is what I see .

Nice points Free.

[Free]

The doom and gloom thing is what they want to generate, on purpose for several reasons.

Firsly it gives them an opportunity to sell their fake solutions, and secondly they feed off of the energy created.

I think the same way DI could be considered a gateway to SS info, AJ is a gateway to DI info on some level.

AJ for the mental plane, leading those who might possibly be interested in astral etc..to
DI for the astral plane, who leads to
SS for hyperspace programming.plane.

Of course SS info is not the end station, although he has set himself up to come across that way with regards to programming info/ deprogramming info.

That is what I see .

Nice points Free.

Thanks, and how you put it is kind of what Matthew said as well. There is a hierarchy with the final degree for special people in OMG, no? icon_angel

Actually I don't think people really understand just how deep the stuff from Matthew really is, and kind of hard to get hold of these days.

[PurplePebble]

I like Matt Delooze info a lot..

I found his web page about a month or two before he pulled it down...so I only saw a little of his stuff, but what I saw I liked.

I haven't read any of his books, but what I could find, especially the symbology stuff was great.

I remember now you mentioned it about what he said with regards to the hierarchy stuff etc... I wonder what he thought about SS...more than likely he would be spot on if he gave his tuppence.

[Free]

I like Matt Delooze info a lot..

I found his web page about a month or two before he pulled it down...so I only saw a little of his stuff, but what I saw I liked.

I haven't read any of his books, but what I could find, especially the symbology stuff was great.

I remember now you mentioned it about what he said with regards to the hierarchy stuff etc... I wonder what he thought about SS...more than likely he would be spot on if he gave his tuppence.

He wondered if SS really walked the talk, referred to "jolly hippy Swerdlow trips" and "what a world it would be if everyone ordered the Hyperspace Deluxe DVD edition" etc. Quite a character. You know what he writes and talks about is true, same feeling as with Alex. That doesn't mean they are perfect, just a very different, and better, feeling.

[yukesam]

The only thing that seems to have really changed in the last 10 years or so is their websites. And by the way, why does Icke insist on looking like a green reptilian himself? Interesting choice of color there anyway.

If you think you are a leader who is here to save humanity, I guess any action will be justified as well. You would kind of operate above common law. So it's kind of Illuminati but backwards. They seem to be as much control freaks anyway, just a different version of it.

At the end of the day these guys won't pay your bills and will not be there for you unless perhaps if you pay them. That's fine with me but it seems sometimes people forget.

It is also a bit funny how the business seems to perceive all critique as negative, when they themselves can certainly be perceived as the most negative people on the planet and also extremely derogatory towards people in the public arena.

The business is perhaps jealous and has simply forgotten that God made all people. Perhaps the business should even learn from many of them. Another explanation is that it is all a charade for the masses, that they are all in the same boat, knowingly or not, feeding off of each other. After all, where would the conspiracy business and truth movement be without the Illuminati and vice versa?

Illuminati apparently do work both in the astral and with hyperspace, so it would make sense that some of that information is spread to the masses, again, according to universal law, even if it is only to be able to capture people there as well.

Icke seems to me to be operating with astral attachment, while Stewart perhaps has some kind of task regarding hyperspace and programming. Mix it all up with "feel good" stuff and people are rolling on the floor in awe and submission.

It would make sense if both Icke and Stewart are kind of flirting with Alex now if that is where many people find more original, honest and truthful information. Well, they kind of stole from him in the first place. So it's a good thing both Alex and Matthew Delooze stay out of the business. Apparently they have even been instructed to stay the hell out of it anyway, other than perhaps for the occasional appearance upon request. There are probably some very good reasons for that.

And where is the fun, happiness, joy, love and prosperity etc. in the business? Why all the doom and gloom etc. when at the same time they say we create everything with our own minds? What do they really want, and why, for who?

 

Members do pay attention to this NEW member and how it writes.

It's all about mixing things up and generalizing them as it remains continuously in lecturing mode of whole conspiracy business. It’s total cointel agent material IMO. Don’t offer your backs so it can scratch it for you.

[font="맑은 고딕"]This forum now contains very specific evidences and testimonies regarding low life con-artist e.g., swindlows. Now that’s the difference that you don’t see from other forums out there.[/font]

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[font="맑은 고딕"]The more you mix and generalize the people so called illuminatti puppets e.g., DI, AJ with the low life dirt bottom true con-artists like Swerdlows , then who wins? It’s Swerdlow, protected by the blanket of DI and AJ influence that is still strong. Please remember there are yet a lot of DI and AJ supporters out there. I’m talking about HCF losing its advantage point from other forums and losing its powerful platform to expose SJ as it is doing now.[/font]

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[font="맑은 고딕"]We have more specific people who testified specifically here in HCF about their personal experiences with Swerdlows including myself. Let’s not generalize the scumbags into a group of AJ and DI without realizing the consequences that we are helping SJ. But do expose them one by one if you have any info on them but I never heard Alex Jones offered sexual deprogramming to anyone and DI’s ripping people off with BS products. Even if they are all illuminati agents, it is never fair to compare them to SJ who are the shameless new age prostitutes. [/font]