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Instead of dealing with complications as they swing, isn't it best prevent these unnecessary interludes? Therefore since I haven't been saying -what- we should bring up first I'm going to provide some structure and refinement to the flow of conversation.
A. PEOPLE
I would say people are the greatest source of information, (being if you don't find it on your own) given that instead of a single article or site they have libraries of information stored in their heads and can answer to all the questions and complications that arise. Being such a great source of information we're going to move that out of the way first, as I see information figures as among the, if not the most important source of potential disinformation. People can lie easier, and keep lying.
... Whether these info source persons are purposely producing disinfo, or they came across their own disinfo, or they were purposefully lead to give the wrong info. Books and references also can't be programmed like people can. (... Not to mention articles, sites, books, and other references come from people. So basically we're first dealing with the source of several sources.) - We would start discussing the teachings of these persons by going through their techniques/exercises if any, as they are ever so useful. First, we are each free to test any techniques which are most fit for getting to the truth. We may test all and any techniques in any way and however many times we want (just don't kill anybody - Unless they stole your sandwich, hate it when they do that.)
- Then we use these techniques as another step in testing other techniques and to help filter all other information.
- We are already in the process of discerning what is true and reevaluating what we already know or confirming what we trust, but here is where we put it out in lists. (Nice idea, Zodd.) Any of us are free to list what we can confirm as true, what we think is true, what we are unsure is true, etc, anything that pertains to the current information figure.
I then believe we are free to move on to the next figure and so on until we are done with discussing figures, unless anyone wants to offer any more steps or we find more strategy as we go along.
- 1. Stewart Swerdlow
Since Swerdlow has secretly served so many years under the government and has experienced such a great deal of (outrageous) things he is a fine first choice. He has retained a lot of inside info which no other source offers (or at least we know of - or living) like knowledge of hyperspace - and all much by first hand experience. I would say he is a rather important source.
- 2. Janet Swerdlow
She practically works side by side with Stewart, but however doesn't as frequently answer questions, travel, or write books and is more busy with (lots of) family things. Therefore we will discuss her after. Much worth discussing too, as she has quite an interesting and important lineage, also she too offers teachings that go much unmatched by other "information figures" such as Oversoul knowledge.
- 3. David Icke (aka the news reporter)
... Or sometimes just known as "that crazy man." He might or might not be more well known than the Swerdlows, he has had several life changing experiences, written plenty books, done plenty research. He gives plenty names, figures, analysis etc. Many insights which I believe to have obsolete logic.
- 4. And so on
We are then free to discuss other figures such as Alex Jones etc, and whether they are (secretly) working knowingly or unknowingly under the agenda.
- 5. End figures?
And finally how many living information sources are in fact no longer living, how, why, etc.
B. WEBSITES
One does not necessarily have to be an information source (like Icke, etc) to publish a website. In fact, one can remain completely anonymous... Websites can also be big sources of information and there are many such sites. We cannot possibly go through all of them, nor would we even if we wanted because that would be an enormous waste of time. I don't know about you, but I wasn't born to send my entire life surfing the web. Nono.
We for certain however are going to brush up on time-relevant and other important topics. And analyze the necessary sites which pertain to the information figures we analyzed beforehand for any new information and new ground. Don't worry, this shouldn't be too hard as having discerned certain truth techniques this might in fact become easy.
- 1. First get fresh on websites about the figures we've discussed single handedly.
- 2. Then branch out topics by addressing one site at a time. This way an individual is less scattered, more organized, more effective, more focused, and so on. (Of course it would also help if you did all these things in your daily lives.)
C. OTHER
Then we are free to draw in (a little bit more of the) random references, like articles, etc. Books that are written by information figures such as David Icke, etc will be discussed sometime during the discussion of those figures - which is beforehand.
(Since this material - books, movies etc - of the "suspects" is going to be evaluated one might try and actually get ahold of these movies and books, etc. Yes, this might help fund the said and so-called suspects but it is all in order for the truth, for you, for me, and even perhaps to alert others.)
If anyone thinks we should take smaller steps or give everyone an equal opportunity to get ahold of or exercise their analytical skills on this thread, please come forth. Then we might turn the order of importance into the order of convenience.
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I have always been interested in practicality and would like to contribute here..
As it goes the process of evaluation can be done in grades.
So for truth,the question is posed..On a scale of 1-10 where 1 is the lowest and 10 highest..How true is the following material,where the text,the archetype ,etc is being investigated..
For those who are clairvoyant,you look into the spiritual eye.or if your crystal cave is activated you go there and instantly you have the response.
For those who have mastered energy scanning and muscle testing use that to evaluate.
A word of caution when using the hand scan,thump your thymus a few times to recalibrate the chakra of the hand..
Others may make use of Pale orange,although it may not allow your use of scalar measure...
Next comes the question of efficiency of the given techniques in a book and you could go through each and assess their relativity to your own being..
All the writings irrespective of who wrote them never achieve the state of Absolute truth and this must be considered when reading any piece of work..
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Does personal experience count for anything? How about esoteric knowledge as opposed to knowledge that is spoon fed to the masses, even the conspiracy theory masses?
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Er. Im done with this thread now. Your getting too wierd for me acceptedChange...
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"Er. Im done with this thread now. Your getting too wierd for me acceptedChange..."
That's not how I spelt it, but whatever.
Didn't really expect people to get it right every time.
Sounds more like you're sabotaging your route to finding the truth.
I'm not saying I'm the only way there, in fact if you're still interested (and you should be) go ahead and discern by yourself.
If you wanted I could have explained why I thought it was best the evaluations were headed a certain way, if I hadn't already explained enough or it wasn't already apparent.
If you think I'm weird, I'm perfectly fine like that.
I wouldn't say I've done anything wrong here.
Now it's not like I'm the only one capable of thinking rationally.
Everyone can think like that.
So if nobody minds I am going to rush off again.
In fact I have something important to me to tell Stewart.
If that is part of why you think I am "weird" that I am stalling or something, I don't blame you.
But best of luck finding the truth,
before it finds you... in a negative way.
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I'm not sabotaging my route to finding the truth I just found it strange how you said the information on montalk about discerning alien disinformation was off subject. Since the 6 articles written there have everything to do with discerning deception I find it strange you would try to avoid discussing that matter.
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Ohhhhhh.
I thought that you thought I was trying to boss others around.
Well, if the case is that you think I am suspicious, even after all that think-for-yourself talk, give me a chance to defend myself. If you don't believe me, notice - of course - that there's things you can check for yourself.
Well, first not everyone knows exactly when they are sabotaging themselves, they just blame others, in fact I would think little are aware of the important concept of sabotage - even if it happens in the world every day - as if that should be a normal thing to do!
As for me, I can only suspect when I am sabotaging myself and work on changing that.
And, I said this? I don't remember saying that.
Very strange indeed.
I can tell you that I don't remember saying I wanted to forget Montauk entirely, especially as Montauk: The Alien Connection is Stuart's book and the subject being Stuart, if the topic was not to be discussed now, that it was to be discussed later - I remember at least indicating that we would discuss not simply the information figure, but the information figure's books, movies, so on. And if we delve into topics like this, especially planning to get to the root of things, to both the deception and the truth, I can't imagine why, either, that we would not discuss Montauk when/after discussing Montauk: The Alien Connection.
I myself suspected that the agenda might try and sabotage this form. I tried to remain objective about this matter and perhaps keep it to myself (after all if others on this form are objective they should be just fine and fairly aware) as you attract what you project.
1. It has happened before.
I have reason to believe the agenda has (successfully?) ruined one of Linda Goodman's sites, which was said to have had a very positive/pleasant/uplifting atmosphere, through the forums. Several reported depression and what you might call the more psychic members on the forums believed them to be attacks. Some went into it/researched and posted a topic about Illuminati and the other members thought it was basically mad. (Strange, considering how the looney Linda Goodman is an oddball herself discussing such strange and astrology unrelated topics in her book Star Signs.)
2. And supposedly they are everywhere.
For the obsessive agenda to completely control the masses they must infiltrate every layer of society. You know the movie, "They Live" where the hero with the magic sunglasses finds not only are there subliminal mind control messages at every corner, but that some of the casual daily citizens certainly aren't who they appear to be.
3. And they monitor obsessively, too.
The internet as Stewart says was supposedly invented so that everyone ends up with the same information. Like school systems - how often does any teacher say, "Class, we're going to be exploring and testing several different methods of healing." It's more like "Oh, you're hurt? Well go to the nurse and maybe she'll get you a few pills, hurry up don't wanna skip class." Of course, the internet is also a great way to monitor people. You don't have to put a camera in someone's home and watch them do all the boring stuff, you can put them on computers and find out everything they're doing and everything they're interested in doing. To speed the process up in a most convenient way, that's a great reason why we get so many of the same questions from the same sites! Myspace profiles/quizzes, Facebook profiles/quizzes... Casual quiz sites and email chain letters... (and even a site based entirely on lists - list your favorite stuff, list your favorite foods... list top 10 things about you.)
Finally, this might be worth mentioning, a few days ago I have what I believe to have been a targeted attack.
I have never had an experience like this before, which so heavily indicated a specific attack which was aimed solely at me, as no one else in the household seemed to experience clear buzzing which seemed to be coming from their very heads, from ELF bombardment past 12 whether they were awake or going to sleep - going to sleep as I was. Though I suspected perhaps being a direct target (it was a possibility...) long before getting to know Stewart's work. Blame paranoid parents, perhaps?
As I've said, I never had an experience which so heavily indicated such an attack. I am not going to specify the cause of the supposed attack for sure, but it started a little after I opened this forum, and happened a "few days ago."
Anyway, all of these reasons is why I find it so important to be efficient and organized, and not be lead astray.
I want this thread to be together and thorough in its strategy, insight and conclusions. That is why I want us to focus on one thing at a time and go through this vast territory all in steps.
So to clarify, we are still discussing Montauk: The Alien Connection and are free to discuss Montauk when the time comes.
Perhaps I should be more clear.
If this is the case, thank you for the reminder.
Perhaps you still suspect me of being an agenda patsy, as you can not tell for sure that I was attacked. And for now, I can't tell for sure either.
But not being able to tell for sure is why I opened this thread.
And no matter how many people decide to leave I am going to try and keep this thread up.
May God-Mind help me.
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