Esoteric Astrology

[Octahedron]

....We can only go by the records kept for proof of these matters, many speculate and have suggestions but the fact is that astrology is older than religion.

In ancient times astrology and astronomy were combined and astrologers were recognized as prophets/scientists.
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I know from a book in Ancient Atlantis/Egypt astrology was one of the highest possible sciences available for the High-Priests which was interconnected to both Magic, Astronomy and Religion) where Magic was the lower science of the astral world of the Earth and astronomy/astrology was a science to be in touch with levels beyond the earth and even beyond this solar system. However, often astrology was mainly in touch with the planets within this solar system to have a reference how the astral world was configured at any time.

The religious aspect is the knowledge of Providence where free will and destiny/necessary were subject to the Christ Will/God's will of Providence where here astrology could be a method to measure/monitor individuals capacity to change things against fortune/misfortune in the destiny-sphere. In this case the terminology of Karma fits in and is serious, but I have difficulties with the fixed Karma concept because it is not absolute and subject to oversoul communication and to the mercy of the Christ Consciousness (which is part of the agenda of Providence).

What is stated in the book is that Providence is a support system, for every individual, even in big misery. And that's why things often (not always) seem to go better when we have trust and have no doubt. (Very interesting axiom)

However, because of free will, you have to allow to get your direct help from God via the Oversoul. Low-self worth and programming often block this aspect.

Everything is allowed in God-Mind, but things are relatively allowed because of the status quo in the time-matrix in this solar system.

In some esoteric rings, people think, the destruction of Atlantis was because Atlantean black magicans were trying to manipulate the time-matrix with the use of extreme evil spirits.

However, astrology is still a quite a mystery for me.

[Astrojewels]

Octahedron,
I was lost for a moment reading this topic until I realized it was so old, I would like to read the book you talk of, and let me tell you that astrology is still a mystery to me.
I know that one day astrology will come back as a leading science, I was watching a documentary the other day where these astronomers were actually agreeing with the theories of the astrologer, and the importance of the connective energy that the planets have on each of us on earth, I was amazed at listening to these men whom normally totally disagree.
Thanks for all you information, very interesting, I don’t believe Atlantis was destroyed from evil spirits, I can only go by my own past life stream memories and that the people of Atlantis became a mirror image of the people of today- technologically arrogant, self centered, greedy and lost touch with the original purpose therefore the combination of this energy destroyed the core of that existence. Some Atlanteans were terribly non-emotional and cruel.

[Octahedron]

Octahedron,
I was lost for a moment reading this topic until I realized it was so old, I would like to read the book you talk of, and let me tell you that astrology is still a mystery to me.
I know that one day astrology will come back as a leading science, I was watching a documentary the other day where these astronomers were actually agreeing with the theories of the astrologer, and the importance of the connective energy that the planets have on each of us on earth, I was amazed at listening to these men whom normally totally disagree.
Thanks for all you information, very interesting, I don’t believe Atlantis was destroyed from evil spirits, I can only go by my own past life stream memories and that the people of Atlantis became a mirror image of the people of today- technologically arrogant, self centered, greedy and lost touch with the original purpose therefore the combination of this energy destroyed the core of that existence. Some Atlanteans were terribly non-emotional and cruel.

The book is from F. Bezemer written around 1900, very difficult to get, I've only a paper copy.

The ganglienpsyche: introduction to the Occult Sciences (however, it's in Dutch)

http://www.antiqbook.be/boox/joy/3324.shtml

Astrojewels, in the book is quite the same written about the technological arrogance as you wrote, which leaded to the destruction of Atlantis; but is was likely the use of technology and evil spirits without any ethic morality.

Astrology was a science of Mathematics, Occult knowledge of the human body and Pure religion.


Interesting of the book is the prediction in 1900 of the science of the Montauk Project (Time travelling, teleportation, etc.); which writer did estimate it could have been started around 1950, because of the quick development in electronic science and the detection of psychic powers in humans esp. orgone. that time.

[Astrojewels]

I can’t read Dutch, but I have read a few of the older books written in the 1800’s and early 1900’s and they all discuss astrology in its true form, it really was not until 1956, (the year that changed many things) that the illusionary astrology became popular, the idea that reading the stars in magazines etc, it was from this year that the ‘thought’ began to be strongly manipulated. Thanks for sharing that info with me.

[MC]

Atlantis was not destroyed by evil spirits,but the 3rd generation Atlanteans became enamored of what they learned they could do with the evil non-physical Draco race we call demonic entities.Some of them must have also found out that their energy was used to create the non-physical beings,so in effect,they found out that one of their simultaneous existence was as one of these beings.This period now,is almost a mirror image of the period of that time.The culmination of this will lead to the destruction of parts of this planet and humans,just as it did back then.

[Octahedron]

Atlantis was not destroyed by evil spirits,but the 3rd generation Atlanteans became enamored of what they learned they could do with the evil non-physical Draco race we call demonic entities.Some of them must have also found out that their energy was used to create the non-physical beings,so in effect,they found out that one of their simultaneous existence was as one of these beings.This period now,is almost a mirror image of the period of that time.The culmination of this will lead to the destruction of parts of this planet and humans,just as it did back then.

Moon Child, your remark about Atlantis/demonic entities is very the same I do know.

The book I mention earlier in summary says the same as you; and there is much more to say.

These demonic entities can be both created by mind/thought or attracted/invited to the Earth-plane from other existences; they have their own hierarchies due to power and energy-level. They can time-travel also.

The Kabbalah likely has a partle list of them. 

In blue blood book chapter "Ritual in red " are also some of these demons or non-phys. reptilian gods mentioned.

 

[Octahedron]

I can’t read Dutch, but I have read a few of the older books written in the 1800’s and early 1900’s and they all discuss astrology in its true form, it really was not until 1956, (the year that changed many things) that the illusionary astrology became popular, the idea that reading the stars in magazines etc, it was from this year that the ‘thought’ began to be strongly manipulated. Thanks for sharing that info with me.

the Dutch book refers that true Astrology in ancient times had to do with monitoring/scanning and interpreting the different energies between the spheres planets, moon and sun affecting each other which had relative predestiny value for souls although not absolute.

the energies could be classified at different levels or spheres (from Earth perspective):

physical/etheric:  strongest relevance between Moon and Earth

astral: most relevant (of psychic-electric energies) effects between planets/sun in a solar system (feeding energies in maintaining the time/space matrix).

hyperspace: mental/spiritual/soul - influences between suns and stars across the universe; these energies stand above time and space.

The last sphere was also named: Empyreum.

It was the challenge of the adept to control his world or correct the personal circumstances by free will in line with the will of God by correct interpreting the astrological signs and messages with the help of his oversoul/angelic energies.

the clue was: bringing soul-oversoul-God in harmony by which the human entity was the mediator between nature and God by refinding and respecting universal laws.

In some way you can say the astrology was a help to find the status of fate within providence. 

 

[Avatar]

I can’t read Dutch, but I have read a few of the older books written in the 1800’s and early 1900’s and they all discuss astrology in its true form, it really was not until 1956, (the year that changed many things) that the illusionary astrology became popular, the idea that reading the stars in magazines etc, it was from this year that the ‘thought’ began to be strongly manipulated. Thanks for sharing that info with me.

the Dutch book refers that true Astrology in ancient times had to do with monitoring/scanning and interpreting the different energies between the spheres planets, moon and sun affecting each other which had relative predestiny value for souls although not absolute.

the energies could be classified at different levels or spheres (from Earth perspective):

physical/etheric:  strongest relevance between Moon and Earth

astral: most relevant (of psychic-electric energies) effects between planets/sun in a solar system (feeding energies in maintaining the time/space matrix).

hyperspace: mental/spiritual/soul - influences between suns and stars across the universe; these energies stand above time and space.

The last sphere was also named: Empyreum.

It was the challenge of the adept to control his world or correct the personal circumstances by free will in line with the will of God by correct interpreting the astrological signs and messages with the help of his oversoul/angelic energies.

the clue was: bringing soul-oversoul-God in harmony by which the human entity was the mediator between nature and God by refinding and respecting universal laws.

In some way you can say the astrology was a help to find the status of fate within providence. 

 

Octahedron, this is amazing information. In 3D Physical Reality, we are here to "move on" energetically and electromagnetically from the denser, molecular realms such as on Planet Earth. The Soul Personality is essentially harmonizing itself through the Oversoul Group and the Oversoul Group is harmonizing itself through the Angelic Hierarchy.

The Illuminati and Freemasons have developed Western Societies to destroy any spiritual focus being placed upon "Higher Consciousness" and the Soul Personality developing in a spiritual fashion, and not being so obsessed with anti-spiritual, materialistic existence. God Mind experiences ITSELF through each Soul Personality here on Earth and across billions of planetary systems in the Universe.

[Astrojewels]

Thanks octahedron for taking the time to read, and then translate, yes all that you say is true, and that is what true astrology is all about. It is not about you being a Gemini, it is about how that constellation has merged with the energy of the sun, and all other planets at the time of re-entry (birth) the moment you made an impact in this universe, and that moment is what provides the personal challenges and positive attributes to who you are within, and as avatar has written so well, (thanks avatar) ‘we are here to move energetically’.
The freemasons and society continually push that question of ‘purpose’ and societal programming makes us feel we are just average, everyday nobody’s because we are not famous to keep us altered in the programmed state. Each of us are somebody and each of us have made an impact just by being born, the freemasons are very aware of the universal knowledge of astrology, the energy of the combined movement each second of the day, this is why everything they do is about energy.

[Octahedron]

I want to add something to my latest summary about the 3 energetic spheres:

the spheres of energy influences between all heaven bodies are relative and not absolute.

i.e.

1) in the sphere of Moon/Earth physic/etheric forces are (in average) stronger than let's say between Earth and a planet in the Pleiadians or in the Andromeda galaxy. However it is still possible that an etheric energy or etheric frequency from the Andromeda galaxy can be transmitted to the earth, but the impact is relative less then when it was transmitted from the Moon, or even planet Jupiter.

2) The relative strongest force sphere/fields between planets in a solar system are astral energy fields. That means the astral energies/powers are relative dominant between planets/sun in a the behaviour of planets within a solar system.

However there are still astral exchanges of energies possible between Earth and let's say a planet in the Sirius A system, if the amplitude/power of the frequency from the transmitted energy from Sirius A is strong enough to override the astral status within our solar system.

3) the energies in the sphere of between star systems or between galaxies/universes are mainly hyperspace energies, pure mental thought; that is mind-thought or spirit is the main cause of the energy exchange behaviour in/between star systems or galaxy. The hypothetical central point (of mind energy) of it all is God.

However, it is still possible that a physical/etheric thing can travel from Earth to a planet in let's say: Pleiadians; although the route must be fit in the exchange of hyperspace energies and the dependent astral energies to realize this (using energy lines or energetic connections in hyperspace and/or astral spheres).  

It is not easy stuff to explain.