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Finland: the Viking Ages
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http://www.allempires.com/article/index....ge_Finland

Maybe this would be of interest to you, Richard, if I remember correctly you have Finnish origins and Viking connection
Finland: the Viking Ages   By Kristian Ola (Wilpuri)  Category: Medieval Europe: Political History Prologue
Viking Age Finland is a topic which is rarely discussed when talking about Finnish history. In schools, pupils learn next to nothing about pre-Medieval Finnish society. Also, historians have been rather reluctant to deal with the topic in-depth in recent years, and so very few works have emerged. It is almost as if it were taboo.
Before the Second World War, the nationalistic fervour in newly independent Finland encouraged many historians and researchers of the time to draw some rather hasty conclusions, which most certainly were biased in favour of making Finnish history somewhat more glorious than what it in actual fact may have been. After the Second World War, anything which would have compromised good relations with the USSR was forbidden by an "unspoken rule" of sorts, and the pre-war nationalism died down. Ever since, historians have avoided the subject, perhaps fearing to lose their credibility as a "nationalist historian" in the eyes of their colleagues and in the eyes of the public.   Nevertheless, some excellent works, if rather careful and few in numbers, have emerged over time. They have not attracted much attention, however, and the subject has lived in a deep slumber for decades. The general public has shown little to no interest in the subject in recent years, and the pre-war notion of "nationalist history" still exists, which is not lessened by a wave of new nationalist "internet" historians, who are now able to publish some of the most outrageous theories.   As someone tremendously interested in the period, I have become something of a self-educated "amateur-historian" on the subject, by obtaining as much literature on the topic as possible. I continue to go on with my research, and this essay is only meant to give an insight into what I have come to believe that Viking-age Finland must have looked like. I am most open to discuss the subject with anyone who has feedback, complains or corrections to make. I have attempted to remain as unbiased as humanly possible and to remain objective in my research. I am not on a crusade to prove a point, I simply want to shed light on a topic, which has been in the dark for most.
1.0 Western Finland
1.1 Introduction......
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http://www.allempires.com/article/index....ge_Finland
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#2
You have a good memory. I do have Finnish origins and Viking connection. Thanks for the info. There’s a ton of info on that site. I’ll have to check it out when I get some time. Right now I think I’m going to hit the hay.  icon_sleep
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I thought Finland and Finnish people do also have strong connections to Hun-gary and Mongolia, related to the people of Attila the Hun.
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Octahedron Wrote:I thought Finland and Finnish people do also have strong connections to Hun-gary and Mongolia, related to the people of Attila the Hun.

Hungarians and Finnish people are the only two people with distinctive languages in Europe. Though, I do not know are Finnish and Hungarian related.


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[color="#0000ff"]Sariel [/color]wrote:
Quote:Hungarians and Finnish people are the only two people with distinctive languages in Europe. Though, I do not know are Finnish and Hungarian related.
Yes, they share a linguistic root with Korean, one of those oddities that are unknown unless one is a native of one the linguistic groupsicon_smile. The three languages share a common Uralic/Altaic linguistic origin.

http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/dharris...001-VH.pdf

[size="2"]Hungarian, Finnish and Turkish number among the best known cases of harmony. [/size][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]The Uralic and Altaic language families, spoken across a vast geographic area of Eurasia from Korea to Turkey[/color][/size][size="2"], exhibit vowel harmony to varying degrees [color="#0000ff"]in most of their member languages[/color] [color="#0000ff"](Hungarian, Finnish[/color], Turkish, [/size][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]Mongolian[/color][/size][size="2"], Manchu, etc.). Harmony is not found in any familiar Indo-European languages.[/size]

[size="2"][color="#0055aa"]The origins of Korean language[/color][/size]

[size="2"][color="#004080"]There is a consensus among linguists that Korean is a member of the Altaic family of languages, which originated in northern Asia and includes the Mongol, Turkic, Finnish, Hungarian, and Tungusic (Manchu) languages. Although a historical relationship between Korean and Japanese has not been established, the two languages have strikingly similar grammatical structures.[/color][/size]

http://www.declan-software.com/korean.htm#Origins_

The irony of course is, that I no longer speak the language because I grew up in Europe...
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#6
My roots go back to Mongolia and Genghis Khan so does that mean that Richard and I are actually related???[Image: 33.gif]
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xanthas Wrote:[color="#0000ff"]Sariel [/color]wrote:
Quote:Hungarians and Finnish people are the only two people with distinctive languages in Europe. Though, I do not know are Finnish and Hungarian related.
Yes, they share a linguistic root with Korean, one of those oddities that are unknown unless one is a native of one the linguistic groupsicon_smile. The three languages share a common Uralic/Altaic linguistic origin.

http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/dharris...001-VH.pdf

[size="2"]Hungarian, Finnish and Turkish number among the best known cases of harmony. [/size][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]The Uralic and Altaic language families, spoken across a vast geographic area of Eurasia from Korea to Turkey[/color][/size][size="2"], exhibit vowel harmony to varying degrees [color="#0000ff"]in most of their member languages[/color] [color="#0000ff"](Hungarian, Finnish[/color], Turkish, [/size][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]Mongolian[/color][/size][size="2"], Manchu, etc.). Harmony is not found in any familiar Indo-European languages.[/size]

[size="2"][color="#0055aa"]The origins of Korean language[/color][/size]

[size="2"][color="#004080"]There is a consensus among linguists that Korean is a member of the Altaic family of languages, which originated in northern Asia and includes the Mongol, Turkic, Finnish, Hungarian, and Tungusic (Manchu) languages. Although a historical relationship between Korean and Japanese has not been established, the two languages have strikingly similar grammatical structures.[/color][/size]

http://www.declan-software.com/korean.htm#Origins_

The irony of course is, that I no longer speak the language because I grew up in Europe...
The irony is that I believed first that you are a Frenchman. Then I learned you are a Frenchwoman. And now you are saying that you are actually a Korean girl. You are full of surprises.

Well, that is quite exotic. :D

Huns in Chinese are called Xiongu people/nation and their empire at the highest bordered with Korean states/kingdoms. Also GokTurk Empire (the coalition of Turkic tribes) lead by Ashina clan who descedend from ruling elite of Xiongu people bordered with Koreans also.

Japanese have strong genetic mixture from the mainland from where many of them most likely originated, but they are not very willing to accept this theory. There are many political implications. Though, people of Aryan ancestry, so called Aino people, did most likely contributed to the genetic pool of Japanese. But this is also under debate, again out of political reasons.

I personally do have a very high opinion about Koreans. I do have some remote Chinese background actually, and I don't know do I have any other connections with Korea whatsoever, except for possible Koreans origins with Hunnish/Xiongu people which are mentioned in this discussion including your evidences in languages similarities.

However, my origins in this lifetime come strongly from the Ashina Clan, the so called Royalty of the Desert/Steppes.


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DreamTime Wrote:My roots go back to Mongolia and Genghis Khan so does that mean that Richard and I are actually related???[Image: 33.gif]

Yes.
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[color="#0000ff"]Sariel[color="#000000"] wrote:[/color][/color]
Quote: The irony is that I believed first that you are a Frenchman. Then I learned you are a Frenchwoman. And now you are saying that you are actually a Korean girl. You are full of surprises.

Well, that is quite exotic. :D
I do find it rather peculiar that, solely on one's gender one is thought of as being 'intellectually inferior' (or should that read 'more emotional'?).

It just proves that old conditioning - I don't necessarily want to overload it with that much importance to refer to it as 'programming'... - dies hard...

I think it is interesting to note that you 'unconsciously' seem to deduce from thinking of me as a "man" to me being a "Korean girl"...icon_pfeif It says a lot about your unconscious associations...(oh... 'just' a girl...!) of culture & to what degree you feel it appropriate to address them as man, woman or 'girl' even if I may not be a girl by regular standards anymore. For all I care, I might actually be older than you are... icon_banditJust thought I'd point thout out to you...;)

Quote:I personally do have a very high opinion about Koreans. I do have some remote Chinese background actually, and I don't know do I have any other connections with Korea whatsoever, except for possible Koreans origins with Hunnish/Xiongu people which are mentioned in this discussion including your evidences in languages similarities.
[size="2"]The Kazakhs are a nominally Muslim people who speak a Turkic language of the Northwest or Kipchak (Qipchaq) group. Russian, an official language, functions widely alongside Kazakh, which is the state language. Other ethnic groups in Kazakhstan include Uzbeks, Uighurs, and Tajiks, along with Ukrainians, Germans, Tatars, and Koreans. [/size]
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Here's a small excerpt from the below link. (Learning to think Korean)

[color="#0000ff"]Korea is one of the two oldest continuous civilizations in the world, second only to China. [/color]The Korean language provides as with a clue to the origin of the [color="#0000ff"]Korean people,[/color][color="#0000ff"] [color="#000000"]who[/color][/color][color="#0000ff"] are not ethnically related to the Chinese[/color]. The Korean language is generally considered to originate from between the Ural and Altaic Mountains of Central Asia. The [color="#0000ff"]Koreans are thus [/color][color="#000000"]ethnically[/color][color="#0000ff"] related to the nomadic peoples of Central Asia (including Mongolia)[/color] & is thus unrelated to China.

Evidence of [color="#0000ff"]Korea's native Altaic beginnings has only relatively recently surfaced, but it is overwhelming. It consists of comma-shaped, stone-carved jewels of Siberian shamanistic origin, thought to represent bears' claws; early shamanistic legends of Korea's mythical founding father Tan'gun is the so-called "Scythian flying gallop", depictions of galloping horses in tombs of ancient Korea, stone dolmens (huge stone burial monuments) of Neolithic origin[/color] and pre-Buddhist [color="#0000ff"]animistic religious rituals related to Siberian shamanism - where the word shaman actually comes from (my remark)[/color].

[color="#0000ff"]Contrary to what Europeans and Americans are taught in school, it was not Johannes Gutenberg who invented movable metal type (for printing purposes), the Koreans invented it 200 years before Gutenberg's time. The earliest recorded date is A.D. 1234 but its invention is possibly earlier.
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Gutenberg but invented the press which holds the type bed, speeding up the printing process.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hvRWyve...=0#PPA2,M1
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The physiognomy & built between Mongolian & Korean people is strikingly similar. It is interesting that there seems to be no obvious connection between Hungarians & Koreans, although they both are/were very much horse-loving & highly skilled riders. (I love horses!icon_smile).
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Quote:I do find it rather peculiar that, solely on one's gender one is thought of as being 'intellectually inferior' (or should that read 'more emotional'?). It just proves that old conditioning - I don't necessarily want to overload it with that much importance to refer to it as 'programming'... - dies hard...
 
I think it is interesting to note that you 'unconsciously' seem to deduce from thinking of me as a "man" to me being a "Korean girl"...icon_pfei

f It says a lot about your unconscious associations...(oh... 'just' a girl...!) of culture & to what degree you feel it appropriate to address them as man, woman or 'girl' even if I may not be a girl by regular standards anymore. For all I care, I might actually be older than you are... icon_banditJust thought I'd point thout out to you...;)

My unconsicious association was with one of few Asian girls I have met. Even if my rational part was aware of the fact that you are possibly older than me. Really, I couldn't tell.


[size="2"]The Kazakhs are a nominally Muslim people who speak a Turkic language of the Northwest or Kipchak (Qipchaq) group. Russian, an official language, functions widely alongside Kazakh, which is the state language. Other ethnic groups in Kazakhstan include Uzbeks, Uighurs, and Tajiks, along with Ukrainians, Germans, Tatars, and Koreans. [/size]
[size="2"]
Here's a small excerpt from the below link. (Learning to think Korean)

[color="#0000ff"]Korea is one of the two oldest continuous civilizations in the world, second only to China. [/color]The Korean language provides as with a clue to the origin of the [color="#0000ff"]Korean people,[/color][color="#0000ff"] [color="#000000"]who[/color][/color][color="#0000ff"] are not ethnically related to the Chinese[/color]. The Korean language is generally considered to originate from between the Ural and Altaic Mountains of Central Asia. The [color="#0000ff"]Koreans are thus [/color][color="#000000"]ethnically[/color][color="#0000ff"] related to the nomadic peoples of Central Asia (including Mongolia)[/color] & is thus unrelated to China.

Evidence of [color="#0000ff"]Korea's native Altaic beginnings has only relatively recently surfaced, but it is overwhelming. It consists of comma-shaped, stone-carved jewels of Siberian shamanistic origin, thought to represent bears' claws; early shamanistic legends of Korea's mythical founding father Tan'gun is the so-called "Scythian flying gallop", depictions of galloping horses in tombs of ancient Korea, stone dolmens (huge stone burial monuments) of Neolithic origin[/color] and pre-Buddhist [color="#0000ff"]animistic religious rituals related to Siberian shamanism - where the word shaman actually comes from (my remark)[/color].

[color="#0000ff"]Contrary to what Europeans and Americans are taught in school, it was not Johannes Gutenberg who invented movable metal type (for printing purposes), the Koreans invented it 200 years before Gutenberg's time. The earliest recorded date is A.D. 1234 but its invention is possibly earlier.
[/color]
Gutenberg but invented the press which holds the type bed, speeding up the printing process.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hvRWyve...=0#PPA2,M1
[/size]

The physiognomy & built between Mongolian & Korean people is strikingly similar. It is interesting that there seems to be no obvious connection between Hungarians & Koreans, although they both are/were very much horse-loving & highly skilled riders. (I love horses!icon_smile).



Thanks for this info. I always wondered what are true Korean origins. Scythians were mixture of many tribes/nations. Mongols came from Xianbei people. Huns/Magyars originated in Sumeria as many Central Asian tribes/people.

I like myself horses. Beautiful beings. A horse is very important spiritual symbol in shamanic Hungarian beliefs.

Out of official history version, Huns-Magyars, Mongols, Khazars, Bulgarians, to name few are all mixture of Sumerians and Central Asian people.  It would make a perfect sense if Koreans also have origins/ancestry from them. 


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