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[Free]

but it is still just the medium for exchange that the majority have agreed upon. There are still places that use other forms of exchange and anyone can go live there instead.

 Who said it isn't the midium to buy things? And why you keep saying majority have agreed to use it? it was here when we got here. My point is the money being the midium of society and money being the energy itself as people look up to is two different concepts. I have a business and of course I do my best to get the most profits out of every transactions but I know it is this stupid and evil money that this world of everything is so easy to control in such fu*k up ways by few assholes. Money really don't buy anything because everything is already here and this everything is the outcome of people's ideas. But money controls majority of people's ideas and its directions. Just look where we are heading with all that garbage piling up all over the earth. It's curse and never should be called as positive thing like an energy. It's gambling chip that feeding people's stupidest ego out of control. 

"But money controls majority of people's ideas and its directions."

Exactly, and that is also my point, it shouldn't, it's just the medium of energy exchange. Don't get the two mixed up, but that's what they want. Money in itself is useless. It has to be converted into something tangible, something of actual value. People are fooled into believing money actually has value. It doesn't. It's a confirmation on paper that a certain energy transaction, or value, has occurred.

In a more mature society, "money is not an issue". If all information and technology we actually have on this planet were also available to everyone, we would live in a different way in a different system.

Like Alex Collier said - "Why should you pay to live on a planet you were born on?"

Exactly, well, they want to create the illusion that you are useless in yourself, that you are nothing and have to work to be a slave for your masters so you can get useless money they say you need to sustain yourself. We are all responsible for buying into that concept in the first place.

[Free]

Free, I'm not quite sure where you stand on stew but I gave you access to the senior member forums. The main thing we are trying to avoid with new members is vicious arguments. So you can believe in stew if you want but try to keep your disagreements civil.

Thanks!

I can see stew and others for who what they are, but I also realize there are different angles to everything. They are like amateurs and criminals who just can not understand they have done anything wrong.

I guess I will learn more about how to interact here, so thanks for the opportunity!

[Golden Winged SnakeOiLion]

[user=1588]In a more mature society, "money is not an issue". If all information and technology we actually have on this planet were also available to everyone, we would live in a different way in a different system.
[/user]

Why should those that invent technology and information give it for free to others? Someone has to build all the technology and why should they give it to those who don't build anything?
[user=1588]
Free[/user] wrote:

Like Alex Collier said - "Why should you pay to live on a planet you were born on?"

Exactly, well, they want to create the illusion that you are useless in yourself, that you are nothing and have to work to be a slave for your masters so you can get useless money they say you need to sustain yourself. We are all responsible for buying into that concept in the first place.

Well you can either pay for your food on "your planet" or hunt the rabbits yourself if you want to eat. But as soon as a couple of other hunters hunt the same rabbit, you will find out that there are not infinite resources.

I am not sure about Tony Robbins, but this is a good one, which puts things into perspective for those who think the "free for all" without money will work in that way that they won't have to do anything anymore:

starts at 3:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScqZne1QSuE

( I can send Tony a lot of people within my immediate environment).

[Free]

[user=1588]In a more mature society, "money is not an issue". If all information and technology we actually have on this planet were also available to everyone, we would live in a different way in a different system.
[/user]

Why should those that invent technology and information give it for free to others? Someone has to build all the technology and why should they give it to those who don't build anything?
[user=1588]
Free[/user] wrote:

Like Alex Collier said - "Why should you pay to live on a planet you were born on?"

Exactly, well, they want to create the illusion that you are useless in yourself, that you are nothing and have to work to be a slave for your masters so you can get useless money they say you need to sustain yourself. We are all responsible for buying into that concept in the first place.

Well you can either pay for your food on "your planet" or hunt the rabbits yourself if you want to eat. But as soon as a couple of other hunters hunt the same rabbit, you will find out that there are not infinite resources.

I am not sure about Tony Robbins, but this is a good one, which puts things into perspective for those who think the "free for all" without money will work in that way that they won't have to do anything anymore:

starts at 3:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScqZne1QSuE

( I can send Tony a lot of people within my immediate environment).

Well, those that invent technology and information can of course sit at home with it. Where is that going? Where did they get the idea from? What inspired them? Were there books involved? Who wrote those books, and on and on it goes. It takes more than the innovation and information as such to make things happen.

And what if we have already been on this planet for a million years in various lifetimes? How much have we contributed with then?

We don't need to hunt rabbits, and resources are more than infinite, especially rabbits! I heard we throw away at least one third of all food that is produced every day.

Tony Robbins started as Mr. NLP, and last time I checked he talked about making a couple fit to handle their next tragedy. That's how things can be turned around. It sounds good, but what is he really saying? Why did they have a tragedy in the first place, and how should they prevent it from happening again?

And don't worry, I know what it means to work, and it doesn't have to mean moving a ton of bricks every day. It's not about not doing anything either, which is impossible anyway.

[Golden Winged SnakeOiLion]

Well, those that invent technology and information can of course sit at home with it. Where is that going? Where did they get the idea from? What inspired them? Were there books involved? Who wrote those books, and on and on it goes. It takes more than the innovation and information as such to make things happen.

 And what if we have already been on this planet for a million years in various lifetimes? How much have we contributed with then?

I am not going to answer these questions for you. I accept that I do not get all these things for free. That's life.

I'd like to see proof that there is a free for all possibility in this world.
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We don't need to hunt rabbits, and resources are more than infinite, especially rabbits! I heard we throw away at least one third of all food that is produced every day.

Even if all people would try to live from dumpster diving, these resources are limited. It's just the rabbit example, this time with dumpsters. Resources are limited.
[user=1346] [/user]


[user=1346] [/user]

[size="2"]Tony Robbins started as Mr. NLP, and last time I checked he talked about making a couple fit to handle their next tragedy. That's how things can be turned around. It sounds good, but what is he really saying? Why did they have a tragedy in the first place, and how should they prevent it from happening again?[/size]

The reason for this video was not because of Tony Robbins. It was about a society trying to make a living with what nature gives them. It showed clearly that their life is not more free and with less work than what we have.

[Free]

Well, those that invent technology and information can of course sit at home with it. Where is that going? Where did they get the idea from? What inspired them? Were there books involved? Who wrote those books, and on and on it goes. It takes more than the innovation and information as such to make things happen.

 And what if we have already been on this planet for a million years in various lifetimes? How much have we contributed with then?

I am not going to answer these questions for you. I accept that I do not get all these things for free. That's life.

I'd like to see proof that there is a free for all possibility in this world.
[user=1346]

We don't need to hunt rabbits, and resources are more than infinite, especially rabbits! I heard we throw away at least one third of all food that is produced every day.

Even if all people would try to live from dumpster diving, these resources are limited. It's just the rabbit example, this time with dumpsters. Resources are limited.
[/user]

Tony Robbins started as Mr. NLP, and last time I checked he talked about making a couple fit to handle their next tragedy. That's how things can be turned around. It sounds good, but what is he really saying? Why did they have a tragedy in the first place, and how should they prevent it from happening again?

The reason for this video was not because of Tony Robbins. It was about a society trying to make a living with what nature gives them. It showed clearly that their life is not more free and with less work than what we have.

I was not talking about "free for all" to begin with. What I am implying here is that nothing is "free" no matter how you look at it, but it has nothing to do with money as such.

Being able to throw away up to 50% of all food points in an unlimited direction to me, not dumpster diving.

That society seems to be in need of innovation.

[Golden Winged SnakeOiLion]

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Being able to throw away up to 50% of all food points in an unlimited direction to me, not dumpster diving.

That's their freedom to do it. You can give your stuff away anytime. Others have different intentions.

That society seems to be in need of innovation.

You are free to create your innovations.

[Free]

Being able to throw away up to 50% of all food points in an unlimited direction to me, not dumpster diving.

That's their freedom to do it. You can give your stuff away anytime. Others have different intentions.

That society seems to be in need of innovation.

You are free to create your innovations.

Thanks for the discussion, and just to mention it, you have the only name here that makes me smile! :D

[Golden Winged SnakeOiLion]

Thanks Free, you're welcome ;-)
PS: I'm glad that name was still available ;-)


[user=1699]Free[/user] wrote:

Being able to throw away up to 50% of all food points in an unlimited direction to me, not dumpster diving.

That's their freedom to do it. You can give your stuff away anytime. Others have different intentions.

That society seems to be in need of innovation.

You are free to create your innovations.

Thanks for the discussion, and just to mention it, you have the only name here that makes me smile! :D

[yukesam]

GWSO,

I hope you read my post here since I am the one who don't believe money is energy like Stewart explains it all the time. And this new member "Free" says it the exact same way and he is defending Stew about it. He is typical disinfo agent material. But I hope I'm wrong free. So I totally feel "Free" is here to work to change the basic chemistry between members and HCF. He will play with different members by agreeing with their opinions. The good example is DI. But he will gradually and continuosly defend expansions 's material such as KBA and its own. Now there is new Expansions website and I expect Free to go side by side on new information posted there. You just watch.

Btw, I can open new thread about Money and start discussing it but remember Free is not here to discuss one subject for long time and he obviously doesn't tries to hold his initial claims but he is quick to play along with all members so he can cover his wider agenda ( assignment ). Time will tell. Right Free?

[user=1699]Free[/user] wrote:

 There is plenty to go around for everyone. You just have to claim your stake. Money is an energy exchange that the majority have agreed to be the norm in most cases.

Take the sales link on this page for example to "Quantum Jumping". That guy have raked in millions and millions of dollars on something I would describe as perhaps less than 1% of what Expansions is offering, whether it's good or not or whether it really works or not. Anyone on this forum can make that kind of money as well in the same way. (Very intersting how Free defends Stew's exact idea)

There are no money shortages, only idea shortages.