'God' is an alien

[Sily]

Hmm... well......going by just what I've experienced in my life, I guess my beliefs are I haven't figured out "God" yet, but I do believe some of God's workers or underlings are alien-like or don't look like humans and look like clear, glowing, red-veined extraterrestrial life.  BUT, I also do believe in possibilities that I am not even able to comprehend at this time.  I personally don't want to limit, with my mind, what is available and going on in the universe.  :think:

[Astrojewels]

The aboriginal arts are mostly of ‘dreamtime’ a cosmic journey that would take the spirit of the individual to different worlds, this was achieved by all indigenous people of this earth, this was done through plants and herbs of hallucinate facility, yet the individual going on this journey was closely monitored and prepared by elders, the aborigines are one with the earth, they are connected with all elements, animals and totally understood what we now call bio diversity.
I do not believe that we will ever agree on ‘god’, if I add my 2 cents to this thread, I would have to say believing in any god is giving away your inner power, it is extremely hard to believe that one source is the creator of all things, the perfection of how our bodies work, the perfection of nature and all elements of our world and our universe, if there was such a being of great magnitude why would he/she/it allow a child to be raped, or a grandmother to be beaten, or why we are divided by poverty and wealth, what is the punishment of the children starving in these countries? We are told that we are lesser, we must pray on our knees, give all, surrender, plead mercy all that jazz to being a victim to a higher entity. It is illusion that we will be saved, that the ‘one’ will come and take away the pride and leave the rest to rot in their sins. If anyone can give me a believable reason why these atrocities happen in our world, then I may change my mind and support the god theory. I see this thread becoming incredibly opinionated.

[MC]

Hi Moon Child,

So are you saying that many have played the role of 'God' eg. The Elohim created us and we thought that they were gods, but there weren't the REAL god?

How do you give a name to 13 races that created humanity on this planet?

Is the real god the life force of the universe, the way things are, the cosmic intelligence?

Yes,that is true.

If this is so, then I disagree with you because this is nothing more than the physical reality that we live in. Before I was Raelian I thought like this too - that love, positive energy and the universe could be considered 'God'....but I don't think that way now.

Pardon.There is nothing more than the physical reality we live in? There are many other physical realities,not just this one,because there are many other planets that are inhabited.And on a further note,perhaps your guru is not aware that it is quite possible to mind travel to other incarnations.

I believe that there's only differences in perceptions, and those who were advanced enough to create us would seem like Gods to us because we were so primitive.

Also, the Elohim have scientifically proven that our planet is a part of a galaxy which is a part of a group of galaxies which are a part of an atom which is a part of a cell, which is a part of a living being. Alternatively, the atoms inside of us contain galaxies and planets that contain people themselves.

You know these Elohim personally? Who has proven what? A guru has filled your head with tales,which you believe are the ultimate word and truth.

"As above, so below".

The universe continues in this way for infinity, so you can't (if you believe this fact) believe that the atom we live on is one of the atoms of God....we could live on a worm or a chair for all we know. The Elohim have only proven that it is something that is alive.

We don't live on an atom.We live on a planet.We live in physical reality.We are energy that creates the body to use in physical reality.

Time is inversly preportional, so when millions of years have passed for us only a second has passed for the giant being we're a part of. Thus it has no influence over us and we have no influence over the people in the atoms that make us up.

Also, if the universe is infinite, it can have no centre, so where would such a 'Cosmic Intelligence' choose to reside? Where does it go?

It has a center.Does a toroid shape have a center? Yes,it does.

-Josh

http://www.rael.org

[William]

  I believe this reality to be the ranting of a mad man!  And so i live on words as one would bread.  And this wine sweet as it is turns sour, and the mountains scream for me to be still.  And yet I rant!

[archangel_josh]

Hi Moon Child,


You say something about 13 races? How do I give a name to them? I'm not sure how many races of humans there were at the beginning before the tribes started to breed with other tribes of humans, but each race of human was made in the image of those who came from the sky. They had white, black, asian looking Elohim who made people in their own image after their own likeness. That's how we account for different races of human.


What I mean by there is nothing more than the physical reality we live in is that all is matter and all is physical. There are many other planets that are inhabited just like ours, with physical beings etc.

But I'm sure there are other frequencies that other beings vibrate on etc....and other dimensions etc. What I'm saying is that all is physical matter....we are all made up of atoms. Our thoughts are atoms, even what we call 'ghosts' or 'interdimensional beings' are made of atoms - thus, all is physical.


I don't know the Elohim, nothing has been proven to humanity, but I'm sure the day will come when this is proven as scientific fact (that atoms are made up of galaxies etc). We know that atoms make up our solid reality, but you zoom into them and they're completely empty. This doesn't make sense - so there must be something inside it that we can't detect yet.

Like I said, a million years for those inside of our atoms is a split second for us, so we can assume that they're reality is moving faster than ours - most likely vibrating on a higher frequency, that's why we can't detect them as yet.

You're right - we don't live on an atom. We live on a planet that helps make up a galaxy that helps make up an atom.

-Josh

[archangel_josh]

Sure, my journey started when I was about 5 and I had an urge to understand the Bible and God and what it was all about.

Throughout the years I did more research, read the Bible, looked at alternative religions and new age religions.

Then when I was 15 I came across an article about UFO groups and they talked about the Raelians and their belief that the Bible and aliens were connected - that the Bible contained stories about ET's and their interactions with primitive humans.

That totally made sense to me....so I looked into the Raelians further, ordered the book and followed the teachings in it for a few months.

But then I eventually forgot about it for some reason and left that book on my bookshelf for years. I still kept my interest in religions/philosophy, but I didn't actively follow any religion.

8 years later, at 23, I woke up one day with a sudden urge to read Rael's book again. It all clicked with me a second time - especially with my life experience and research that I'd done in those 8 years. I knew that Rael was for real.

And I've been involved in the movement ever since, for the past 14 months.

-Josh

[Iam_That_Iam]

Physical reality is an Illusion...

Just like when reading any books, one can immerse or mind entertained oneself within what is written in a book of any kind...

After one is done enjoying or indulge any of the book(s), one would close the book and move on to something else or go ahead to read another (different or similar) book(s), which may certainly yield different experience or mind entertainment...and cycle begins all over again...

So, my viewpoint is that ... once I am done indulging, immersing, mind-entertaining myself in this specific physical reality... I'll either go to another Physical reality or I could just stop...and re-tune my mind to "Actuality".

Just my 2cents...

[xan-i]

Greetings

Just maybe...nothing is an illusion - but to every single act of perception belongs a reality of its own...

It may be that there are those parts existing both within & without, that being non-manifested in a material manner, are energies that stream totally unhindered by mass & are neither subject to nor restricted by the laws of physics.

So - if As Above, So Below - then - All is God & God is All

In essence, an ex/in/e/ternal expansion that cannot be contained...

Maybe to believe in nothing is to be able to travel all ways ~ Knowingly...

Blessings,

~xan-i

[MC]

Quite simply and without any doubt in my mind, both you and your guru are programmed.Perhaps you'd like me to take a shot at telling you what
your programs are.Do you know what this forum is about?It's very interesting that rael,which if my memory still serves me is connected to ra and el which are names/titles given to a reptilian species called the Draco,was contacted by a another race on Dec 13,which happens to be Lucifer's Day.And I see that he promotes genetically modified food,which IS as someone wrote an article,the greatest threat ever to humans and animals.I didn't know ghosts were physical.They could have fooled me.I am not even going to go into answering some of the things you have written in your reply.I strongly suggest you aquaint yourself with what this forum is about.

[archangel_josh]

Hi Moonchild,

Could you please explain what you mean when you say that Rael and me are programmed?

You ask if I know what this forum is about....I think that it's about exchanging ideas and discussing topics relevant to their subject matter.

Rael means 'light of the Elohim' in ancient Hebrew, or it can be simply translated as 'messenger'....it's got nothing to do with Ra and El.

Yes, you're right, Rael was contacted by Yahweh on December 13th. I didn't know that it was Lucifer's Day, but that doesn't necessarily make it an evil day. In fact, Lucifer was one of the creators who loved his creation so much that he told them the truth about their potential to become 'as gods'...that they could escape their primitive state through science. This displeased the leader of the Elohim, who exiled Lucifer and his people on Earth (known as the 'Fall of Lucifer').

Yes, Rael does promote genetically modified foods - there is nothing dangerous or evil about GM foods if they are produced properly without the use of dangerous pesticides and chemicals. In fact, GM foods will save humanity from starvation because we will be able to create enough food for everyone scientifically. You say GM foods are the greatest threat ever to humans and animals...I disagree. I think nuclear weapons are the greatest threat to humans and animals.

You say that I should aquaint myself with what this forum is about...and I've told you that I have, but it seems that you don't believe me. Just because I disagree with some of your points, or just because my perspectives are different to yours doesn't mean that I can't have my place here in the forum. I get the vibe that you want me to talk about things that you and everyone else believes in and that I should shut up about what I think.

Please know that we're just talking, there's no hate in my words. It's sometimes hard to get that across when you're writing! ;)

-Josh