'God' is an alien

[MC]

I have apsolutely nothing against you.If you were to believe in little green men,then so be it.Since
I'm a bit tired I will have to give you a more detailed answer tomorrow.We talk about some things here,because we have the personal experience which enables us to have the knowledge.
Your every word is as though we have claude vorilhon aka rael speaking to us.All of this that you write is not because you have the personal experience,it's the teaching of a guru that does an excellent job of brainwashing people.Let's take a peek at what his ex-wife and aunt have to say and if anyone's into orgies,I guess he's the man.
http://www.rickcross.com/reference/raeli...ans68.html

[Richard]

You ask if I know what this forum is about....I think that it's about exchanging ideas and discussing topics relevant to their subject matter.

Most of the members here have researched the Illuminati and mind control for many years. The Illuminati uses religions as a form of mind control. So most of the members here do not believe in any religion. All religions are basically cults that control people’s minds. We believe in God but not religions or gurus. Our belief in God is not like how religions portray him. We see God-Mind as conscious energy that is in everything.

[xan-i]

Greetings, Moon Child

The link you gave did not work for me, but this one does:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/raelia...ans68.html

[archangel_josh]

Hi Moonchild,

Glad to see that we're on the same page when it comes to mutual respect.

I see what you mean when you say that I'm regurgitating what Rael has said and I can say that I've not had any contact with the Elohim myself. You're right, all that I write down isn't my personal experience - but the philosophy and the message that was given to Rael is something that I experience every day. Plus it all just makes sense to me.

I've read that article you've pointed out before, and it's interesting to see their testemonies, but you have to realise that the tone of the article, from the beginning, is all about discrediting him. Using words like 'the sinister cult leader' proves it.

Just to point out:

"He destroyed my life and our children's lives. They were so young and innocent. They should never have been exposed to the debauched and wicked things that went on in our home.' Marie-Paul, now an elegant 57-year-old woman living as a virtual recluse, tells how Vorilhon brought home hundreds of young women to have sex with during their marriage."

Notice that this is her opinion? She makes it SOUND like he had orgies in front of the kids, but she never says exactly what happened. No doubt Rael brought ladies home and had sex with them, but this isn't a crime. Sure it pissed his wife off, but I doubt he blatantly brought a woman home one day and said 'I'm fu*king other chicks now.' I think he would have discussed with her that he no longer wanted to be exclusive and she couldn't accept it. Also, Rael is still speaking to his children and his son is a Raelian - surely he didn't damage them that much if they're still in contact.

"She witnessed nude gatherings in the living room...."

There's nothing wrong with nudity - they most likely meditated in the nude for 20 minutes and then put their clothes back on. Either way nudity isn't a crime. Notice that she doesn't say that it was done in front of the children? Again, we just assume that's what happened. But it didn't.

"No child should be expected to witness adult nudity and exist in an environment so close to people having orgies."

Even if the kids did see adult nudity, it wouldn't have damaged them. Nudists take their kids to nude camps all of the time, and even have the kids participate! Notice here that the kids weren't forced to be naked or to even join in? But once again, it's assumed that's what happened! She also says that the environment was 'so close' to people having orgies. Is this just because everyone was naked or just because Rael had a few partners in his room? The arguement doesn't hold any weight.

"I believed the children needed a father and every day of their lives I prayed he would stop being Rael and become Claude again, but he never did."

Could this be because he knew the truth of his message and couldn't change back? I believe so.

"I thought I had married a fairly ordinary, if slightly egotistical, man. Not a freak."

There you go - she's stated that when this all started he was an ordinary man and not a freak. So why the sudden change?

Plus, in the teachings from the Elohim, they state that you shouldn't impose ANY religion on children - you should explain to them objectively the many beliefs in the world and if one appeals to them then you should support it. So Rael would never have forced the religion on the kids.

-Josh 

[archangel_josh]

Hello!

I've also researched the Illuminati and the idea that they wrote fictional stories and implemented them in history as a way of controlling the population.

I agree that this is possible, but I don't believe it myself. I read much of the research about how the 'historical Jesus did not exist' and such, and I've read David Icke's stuff too.

My twist on this idea is that the Illuminati are a group of people tied through family/business/self motivations who have dominated the population throughout history - but I doubt that it's got anything to do with what David Icke calls 'the reptilians'. The evil forces behind the elite Illuminati are just the greed of man - that horrible need that people have to control others and to raise their position and keep their power.

So I believe in the backroom deals and 'jobs for boys', but I don't think religions were fictionalised by them - they USED religion as a tool to control! Just look at the USA and their ties to religion and the way they use it to control the people and justify their wars....just like the people in the past!

But I respect your beliefs and I've defintely looked into them, like I've told you.

-Josh

[Astrojewels]

Josh,

If you read or research David Ickes work further you will see the connection of the illuminati to the reptilians, it is complex but such is life. I personally would not expect you to see the discrepancies of Rael, as moonchild has pointed out.

You say that you experience it everyday, so does a Christian, Buddhist, catholic or Muslim or any person that has the need to follow.

I must ask as you said

[user=1009]archangel_josh[/user] wrote:

 I can say that I've not had any contact with the Elohim myself. You're right, all that I write down isn't my personal experience

You are following words of another, which is no different to those whom have Jesus in their hearts, but what is your personal philosophy, where is your inner truth to this world? Why do you feel that you must follow the wisdom of one? What does josh say without these philosophies?  

[MC]

Hello!

I've also researched the Illuminati and the idea that they wrote fictional stories and implemented them in history as a way of controlling the population.

I agree that this is possible, but I don't believe it myself. I read much of the research about how the 'historical Jesus did not exist' and such, and I've read David Icke's stuff too.

My twist on this idea is that the Illuminati are a group of people tied through family/business/self motivations who have dominated the population throughout history - but I doubt that it's got anything to do with what David Icke calls 'the reptilians'. The evil forces behind the elite Illuminati are just the greed of man - that horrible need that people have to control others and to raise their position and keep their power.

So I believe in the backroom deals and 'jobs for boys', but I don't think religions were fictionalised by them - they USED religion as a tool to control! Just look at the USA and their ties to religion and the way they use it to control the people and justify their wars....just like the people in the past!

But I respect your beliefs and I've defintely looked into them, like I've told you.

-Josh

I don't think you realize that there are people here on the forum who have seen reptilians in real life.We didn't need icke's stories to know that they exist,and they do exist.And what icke wrote about them is true.

[MC]

Hi Moonchild,

Could you please explain what you mean when you say that Rael and me are programmed?

I mean just that,that both of you are programmed.Perhaps you should read some of the writings about programming here in order to understand what it is



Yes, you're right, Rael was contacted by Yahweh on December 13th. I didn't know that it was Lucifer's Day, but that doesn't necessarily make it an evil day. In fact, Lucifer was one of the creators who loved his creation so much that he told them the truth about their potential to become 'as gods'...that they could escape their primitive state through science. This displeased the leader of the Elohim, who exiled Lucifer and his people on Earth (known as the 'Fall of Lucifer').

This is a bunch of crap.You're reading too many fairy tales.And believing them.

Yes, Rael does promote genetically modified foods - there is nothing dangerous or evil about GM foods if they are produced properly without the use of dangerous pesticides and chemicals. In fact, GM foods will save humanity from starvation because we will be able to create enough food for everyone scientifically. You say GM foods are the greatest threat ever to humans and animals...I disagree. I think nuclear weapons are the greatest threat to humans and animals.

Perhaps you should read this,for starters.

http://www.safe-food.org/-issue/dangers.html

There have been many books written about the dangers.It all started with something called the Green Revolution by the Rockfeller foundation which was about proliferation of new hybrid seeds in developing markets.One vital aspect of hybrid seeds was tehir lack of reproductive capacity.Hybrids had a built in protection against multiplication.Unlike normal open pollinated species whose seeds hgave yields similar to its parents,the yield of the seed borne by hybrid plants was significantly lower than that of the first generation.If the large multinational seed companies were able to control the parental seed lines in house,no competitor or farmer would be able to produce the hybrid.The global concentration of hybrid seed patents into a handful of gian seed companies led by Dupont's Pioneer Hi-Bred and Monsanto's Dekalb led the ground for the later GMO seed revolution.The results of the Green Revolution were quite different  from what had been promised.The mono-culture cultivation varieties decreased soil fertility and yields over time.

So much for the promotion of GMO foods,and btw,I don't need a book or an article.My uncle is a farmer,and he gave me first hand info on the lovely promotion of GMO.

You say that I should aquaint myself with what this forum is about...and I've told you that I have, but it seems that you don't believe me. Just because I disagree with some of your points, or just because my perspectives are different to yours doesn't mean that I can't have my place here in the forum. I get the vibe that you want me to talk about things that you and everyone else believes in and that I should shut up about what I think.

Of course you have a place on this forum but everything I have read from all of your claims is quite plainly a bunch of crap.

[archangel_josh]

 

Hello Astrojewells,

Yeah, I saw the connection between David Icke's work and the reptilians/illuminati. It is definetely possible, but personally I don't believe it.

As far as me seeing the discrepancies of Rael, please don't think that I'm a robot who accepts anything that I'm told. I've been researching all of my life and when I found the message given to Rael by the Elohim it automatically clicked with me. But before going further, I researched even more into Rael and his claims and personally, I feel that it is the truth from what I've collected and seen.

Yes there are alot of discrepencies surrounding his information compared to other sources.

For example, the Elohim have told Rael that any being capable of constructing inter-galactic space flight are always peaceful, because they need to survive long enough in order to discover energies that they could use to destroy themselves or to use those energies for space flight. Thus, anyone who is able to cross the galaxy have overcome the violence urge and are always peaceful, otherwise they would have destroyed themselves year ago.

You can see that our humanity will never cross the galaxy the way we're heading because we will soon blow ourselves up with nuclear weapons. But, if we became peaceful and used that energy and put it into science and bettering the world, we would eventually discover a way to travel across the galaxy.

The discrepency here is that we hear about the reptilians, the greys and other 'mean' aliens who abduct humans and feast on their blood and cause pain and fear.

So who is right? Are the thousands of people who've seen reptilians or been abducted wrong? I can't answer that for sure, but I personally believe that advanced aliens are always peaceful...they're just too mature to get angry and violent.

I liked your point about how my 'experience' is no different to a Christian or a Buddhist etc. This is very true. Just because I send telepathic messages to the Elohim doesn't mean that they're real. I understand this. But like I said, the Raelian message suits me and my beliefs and the philosophy that I live every day is of great benefit to me. But yes, this doesn't mean that the Elohim are real.

You've asked why I follow the words of another, which is no different to those who have Jesus in their hearts. The difference is that Rael is alive and spreading the message as we speak, whereas the true messages of Jesus have been lost in translation and distorted by 2000 years of other people's beliefs and opinions. Just like the prophets of old, the Elohim have always given those select people the message. We learn through their representatives.

But I see your point....all crap aside - what do I believe?

I truly believe in the ancient religious texts and their traces of the truth. I have always felt ever since I was a child that the truth was contained in these books and I've always known that 'God' isn't what people say he is. I knew that 'God' wouldn't be happy with the state of the world and the state of 'his' religions and 'his' representatives.

That was my starting point....some of the philosophies in those ancient texts I agreed with (love, peace, patience) but I doubted the angry violent hatred texts (homosexuality is wrong, sex before marriage is wrong, women are inferior).

And then I read the Raelian message and realised that I'd be Raelian ever since I was a kid. I agree with all of the Raelian philosophies, that love is the only way to survive, that women and men are equal, that sexuality is fine as long as it's between two consenting people, that violent people have mental illness etc.

So the reason I follow the wisdom of one is because I have always agreed with that wisdom, even before I found out about Rael.

-Josh

[archangel_josh]

Okay - reptilians.

Please tell me about your experiences in seeing them, because I don't think that you're lying. I believe that you believe that you saw them, so please go into great detail and tell me what you've seen.

-Josh