Illuminati info

[Elizabeth]

"The Controversy surrounding Albert Einstein of him being a thief of other peoples work and calling it his own also known as a Plagerist.
Also it is claimed Albert worked as patent clerk in examing patents a good place to steal ideals." (Sovereign)

This could be true, they were all rich, connected people of elite families who'd be given the credit while no one would know or care who they'd steal from.

[Sovereign]

"The Controversy surrounding Albert Einstein of him being a thief of other peoples work and calling it his own also known as a Plagerist.
Also it is claimed Albert worked as patent clerk in examing patents a good place to steal ideals." (Sovereign)

This could be true, they were all rich, connected people of elite families who'd be given the credit while no one would know or care who they'd steal from.

This what Ed Research is all about looking into these multiple connected families who are rich own all the media, the court system and everything else to give them power of over you and me with their lies and subterfuge. All the families know they must keep thier lies secret. Their empire is vast they play both sides have all their family member actors that most seemed to be connected to royalty or royalty itself or actors playing royalty all the up to their actors in most countries playing as that countries elected leader. Ed says pretty much of all congress or good number of our congressman or woman are paid actors and work for the corporation that hire them.

A lot what you read about the Illuminati is BS they don't want you to know who they really are or pretend to be. They have been countering with their BS stories about themselves purposely to throw the masses off from discovering their true identity who will never discover the real truth except believe in their canned stories about themselves put out their on the internet of which they control and own including their actors painting themselves as some kind of legitimate leader or guru with special knowledge same BS going on with in the christian churhes in parallel with the New age movement BS that is being propagated.

Four Blood moons within the christian churches believing the lunatics that promote it eventhough is was debunked very well by other christian researchers even though I could care less about the fruadulent nature of christianity as being a legit religion created by the former Roman Empire to subjugate a huge number of rebel jews using their new created religion called christianity to present ther Roman sisyfied pacified Jesus as the rebel jews legitimate savior. Rome was not against Judasim since they were allied with Jewish empires along with jewish roman generals that were very loyal to Caesar that did not like these rebel jews as well. The jewish rebels were waiting and hoping for a more miltant jewish messiah to rise up in its ranks to wipe Rome off the earth with a supernatural blow. Rome with their newly created religion of christianity would be used to present jesus as the rebel jews true messiah which was quickly rejected by the rebel jews as another Roman ploy to trick them into submiting to Roman rule which made Rome Mad of the rebel jews rejection of Romes created jesus messiah since this Roman anger is reflected in their Roman created New Testament of the Roman empires mouthpice Jesus of his deep hatred of the rebel jews rejection of him as messiah or savior of the rebel jews.

But latter the Roman empire planned on using their newly created religion which would subjugate the rest of the Masses to their new religion of christianity which is pro roman that is designed to promote the Roman Pax or peace turn the other cheek since a brawl would turn into a major uprising where rome will have to kill people in the masses to restore peace. Be a good roman citizen when a Roman soldier ask you to carry his 60 plus lbs of military gear 1mile but no do it up to the two mile marker and you wil have done your duty to the empire also be sure to pay your taxes as well and be happy about doing it.

[Elizabeth]

Interesting, Sovereign.  "The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy nor Roman."

"Not Holy because it was too cynically gubernatorial and statelike in its machinations, holiness was merely a veneer of respectability and tradition (like all states and powers in europe throughout the centuries including the vatican states!). Not roman because it was based in Germany and Later hungary, it merely assumed the mantle of being the largest hegemonic presence in europe since Roman times... and not an empire because it can be argued that it was replete with autonomous and rebellious fiefs and constantly fractious in that regard, and demonstrably so!
Source:
BA(hons) in european history. Also check "Reformation-Europe's house divided" Diarmaid MacCulloch"

A normal, decent person would not be able to handle "acting" and keeping secrets" indefinitely before they would either squeal or snap.

These are not normal people though due to inherited programming and specific mind control, the same that actors in Hollywood are exposed to. Enough people must still be unawakened because Royalty and family 13 still walk around unscathed.

What is some of the BS info the illuminati spread about themselves?

[Sovereign]

Interesting, Sovereign.  "The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy nor Roman."

"Not Holy because it was too cynically gubernatorial and statelike in its machinations, holiness was merely a veneer of respectability and tradition (like all states and powers in europe throughout the centuries including the vatican states!). Not roman because it was based in Germany and Later hungary, it merely assumed the mantle of being the largest hegemonic presence in europe since Roman times... and not an empire because it can be argued that it was replete with autonomous and rebellious fiefs and constantly fractious in that regard, and demonstrably so!
Source:
BA(hons) in European history. Also check "Reformation-Europe's house divided" Diarmaid MacCulloch"

A normal, decent person would not be able to handle "acting" and keeping secrets" indefinitely before they would either squeal or snap.

These are not normal people though due to inherited programming and specific mind control, the same that actors in Hollywood are exposed to. Enough people must still be unawakened because Royalty and family 13 still walk around unscathed.

What is some of the BS info the Illuminati spread about themselves?

What is some of the BS info the Illuminati spread about themselves? (Elizabeth)

I just leave you a quote from a former 19th century PM of Great Britain Benjamin Disraeli from his political novel Coningsby. "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes". Although his quote is taken out of context it reveals to people things are not what they appear to be at least to the masses that fantasies about their leaders and was a real eye opener when out of the blue a secret was revealed this is how Benjamin Disraeli revealed secrets being an insider of world affairs is that you had to read his books.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/disraeli_quotes.htm

Tony Busby in his series of books did this in his Secret in the Bible book by printing certain key word in bold face type in each chapter you just had to connect them all together to form a sentence to reveal some kind of knowledge.

What you see published about the Illuminati in public being the product of centuries of intermarriages being various aristocracies of Roman, Great Britain stock and other countries with Jewish Banking empires family member stock is to be held highly suspect in my mind and not to be trusted. But over time as the intermarriages of Jewish Banking Families become more predominant Jewish interest became more and more important with these family lines as more and more even in our modern times. Even though their agenda is quite obvious and easily seen by more and more people they quickly censor you in the media they control calling  say you an antisemitic or some kind of white supremacist when most are not but the Illuminati what you not to know the real truth of who they really are.

In my mind it appears to be a kind of symbiotic relationship from the former rulers of Rome and certain Jewish factions they were allied with during the Roman Jewish Wars in fighting the rebel Sicarii Jews who did not want anything to do with Rome what so ever and were all willing to die rather then be enslaved since they were constantly waiting on their supernatural messiah so they believe to rise up in its ranks and destroy Rome and it allies being Jewish like the Sicarii were who saw Romes Allies as their enemy. Rome knew the fight with the Sicariis more hostile militaristic messiah belief system was a no win situation so they had to invent a new messiah one that was pro roman to replace their more hostile militaristic messiah with a more pro Roman one called Jesus Christ that was a pacifist one hoping the Sicarii Jews would accept their Jesus Christ creation but they rejected Romes Jesus Christ Creation as more trickery from Rome. This is latter written about as a parody in the new testament of Romes predicament of the Sicairi Jews rejecting their Jesus creation and of how mad Rome got when they rejected Jesus as the Jews messiah.

To this very day the Zionist are in constant war with their lowly brethren with the Israli Mossad posing as the Hamas Firing rockets at Israelis citizens they have their reasons for doing this subterfuge to make the masses go there way. A while back when I was studying the christian reformationism I came across a christian website that painted Israel as specter to be feared and she is not what she appears to be since Israel is a terrorist nation who creates problems for everybody else and is a parasite. Also I came across a book published by an Jewish Arab who worked for the Mossad and revealed how they operate at one point when Israel was first formed it was having a hard time getting people cheap labor to come to Israel that were Jewish but they were happy and prosperous in what ever country they were in and did not feel it important to ever move to Israel. He stated one of his missions was to bomb the student universities in Arab countries to make the students very fearful and then drop leaflets from a plane telling them come to Israel where there is plenty of opportunity and where you will be safe from terrorist talk about calling the kettle black Israel you are the embodiment of terrorism and been nothing but trouble to the world. I think in the beginning of the book he finally admitted to the reader of his book even though he was a Jew in Israel eyes he was treated like crap and used to further their agenda and could give a damn about him being an Arab Jew in terms of their caste system of ranking people.

I don't know if the Illuminati has been planing the setup of the Albert Pike scenario of world conquest by sucking everybody into an unwinnable war that will destroy Israel with the result of draining everybody involved financially and morally to the point of exhaustion to bow the knee and do what ever they ask to restore order or it may be some other agenda not yet revealed as yet.

A lot of what you see on TV, the Internet and in the media is not to be believed as the truth and held suspect as being dishonest and full of lies.

[Sovereign]

"These are not normal people though due to inherited programming and specific mind control, the same that actors in Hollywood are exposed to. Enough people must still be unawakened because Royalty and family 13 still walk around unscathed." (Elizabeth)

The 13 families you refer to is actually reffereing to the 13 tribes of Israel of the Old Testament as to what this actually is or how it is defined to be is that everbody on the internet has a different oppion on what it means to them and most quote Old Testament scripture to support their theories of what they think it is.

The Masonic order probably knows but their not saying since it is a secret and if you are a mason will do some horrible things to you if you do. It seems to me a lot of the things like their secrets in Masonery is Jewish in orgin like the Great Arhitect of the Universe what we know as god in this Illusory matrix and what the Buddha encountered him as Maya who did not want him to discover how to escape his prision of illusion of lies and deception and many so called christians that have studied masonery and understand what it is call him Lucifer(the morning star or Venus in its brillant light or Illuminati, or Jesus say I am the light of the world) or Satan the great deceiver. But the rest regard the God of the OT as real but I myself regard him as my enemy one not to be trusted. So in times past maybe this being of this Illusory Matrix he seems to control revealed himself to a certain select group of people we now call jewish and each were connected to a unique tribe that the Despotic Great Architect of the Universe setup and because of their loyalty to the Great Architect of the Universe would give them exclusive control over all the worlds resources and riches and screw everybody else in the procces. So in this illusory matrix what we have been taught that their is a god that is benevolent is big fat lie or in this illusory world is actually known as God, Maya, Lucifer, Satan or the Great Architect of the Universe is much a creation of this unending phenomena generated world of Illusion as we are products of various things that create the illusion that we have a soul when we don't have one and have no permanent independence existance or the question what are we really to become if we successfully escape this Illusory Matrix of lies and deception and has traped so many into trying it again and again in their madness and insanity to try make a life or exist or simply be but can't make it a permanent one.

[Elizabeth]

Viper "big mistake" Yaltaboath creates his tribes of semites (smites) to be his agents on Earth. He tinkers with their DNA, gives them extra cunning and intelligence, the "reptilian" "satanic" hierarchial view and makes sure the original tribes end up in Jeruselem in the end of days, for the final showdown between the Christ (conduit to home) and Satan.  The Original's rep is going to school the copy.

[Sovereign]

Viper "big mistake" Yaltaboath creates his tribes of semites (smites) to be his agents on Earth. He tinkers with their DNA, gives them extra cunning and intelligence, the "reptilian" "satanic" hierarchial view and makes sure the original tribes end up in Jeruselem in the end of days, for the final showdown between the Christ (conduit to home) and Satan.  The Original's rep is going to school the copy.

 What Christ are you talking about their are no absolutes no supreme god that is benevolent that created you or some Christ figure that will do battle with some evil force and save the day since I am referring to this illusory matrix. I have read from buddhist literature that their are various karmic realities such as the deva kingdoms and others but they to are all an illuson generated by karmic conditions and temporary. There is one or more figures that is attempting to fool the masses by masquerading as some kind of legitimate god who are nothing but trouble makers and a lier and deceiver of this illusory matrix and their job is to keep you here as long as possible for their benifit. Our consciousness is a product and creation of this illusory matrix and is a trap as well to keep us here to continue the mad insanity relive another false life that is not absolute reality apart from this illusory reality we think is  real.

Going to sleep at night in your bed being the symbol of a coffin and our dreams in reality is the after life. You lie down your consciousness begins to drift you let go of the body it appears dead to others who see you sleep you are still connected to your body but detach and enter a dream state without you being even aware you are dreaming you become the actor or new personality not remembering your former waking self but when you do wake up you realized you were conned into believing it was a legitimate reality no real then the waking one. I use to be able to stop and become aware of when I was dreaming and stop being the actor and become the observer known as lucid dreaming that is you know it is not reality but I in my waking dream know it to is an illusion and the life I live is an illusion whom am I fooling. So people wonder what it is like after they die duh you do it every night experience the afterlife your dream time is the afterlife mystery solved about what dreams really are but karmic visions of the night after you use up the karma and it manifest as a dream you wake up reborn and body rejuvenated since your body dies every day and need to separate but due to consciousness easily drifting in most people you enter the afterlife or dream time once the karma that is used up in producing the karmic projections you wake up of which time your body has regenerated and you wake up feeling reborn part of the trap of entrainment to keep you here when you do finally separate from your body in this life the afterlife will be more intense due to if the conditions are right your life time of karma will kick in to produce very intense dreams but the Tibetans say their is very small window of escape to not be fooled by the deception and lies that follow. The Tibetans in their book of the dead know this after you die you enter a deep dream state and begin the journey of separating from your former life via consciousness drifting and before you know it Karma since it the tool of this illusory reality that generates phenomena takes over and you are reborn with your certain tendencies or personality traits and attributes are passed on to your new personality since you will be a very different person but with additional traits added to you new personality to continue the madness of believing the illusion of being or existing is real but it is all temporary.

Although reading the Tibetan book of the dead is bit strange with all the strange karmic projections that play before you even Carl Jung understood what it meant when he read the book and considered it a valuable book to read. Although in the Tibetan book of dead they say their is way to escape this illusory world you pretty much have to let go off everything including your consciousness or see the clear light your true self as opposed to your false self or ego that you are a real person or have a soul in this illusory matrix we call existence.

The buddhist seem to know that they must focus their consciousness like a lens and keep it from drifting and going where it wants to go is a difficult  task. So i guess the Buddhist use their mantra or focusing on a candle itself to keep from falling a sleep due to conciouness drift if they became adept at this in their life would help that individual  after they separate from the body and not enter the dream state and maybe see the true path to lead them out from the illusory matrix.

[Elizabeth]

I tend towards the Gnostic worldview and not the Buddhist one.

imo karma was created by darkness to enslave. It has nothing to do with our benefit, learning lessons or growth. It is simply an ersatz justification by the darkside to keep blame pointed on ourselves so that we feel we deserve the abuse of this and the astral world. According to "War in Heaven" (thread) the problem with the Buddhist/Hindu path is that instead of being of help for the Invisible College to combat the gang warfare that goes on in the Astral (stealing abducting souls, deceiving them, tricking them into thinking they've made it to heaven, etc.) the "enlightenment/karma crowd" thinks that they must have made some kind of mistake, blames themselves and tries to go back in order to keep climbing the "Reptilian-Hierarchial-Ladder-to-Spiritual-Success" because although Buddhism was initially seeded to enlighten the humans it had turned dark as everthing does down here.

There is a huge misogynistic component to Buddhism, there is a shadow side, mind control, torture, now transhumanism etc.


Gnostics believe that all of this evil physical universe needs to be contained and transmuted through total decimation. Viable spirit(those containing original energy of
"THE FIRST" (SOURCE) will be salvaged, the rest will be transmuted, recycled.

We'll see what happens...it's like rolling the dice at this point.

[Sovereign]

I tend towards the Gnostic worldview and not the Buddhist one.

imo karma was created by darkness to enslave. It has nothing to do with our benefit, learning lessons or growth. It is simply an ersatz justification by the darkside to keep blame pointed on ourselves so that we feel we deserve the abuse of this and the astral world. According to "War in Heaven" (thread) the problem with the Buddhist/Hindu path is that instead of being of help for the Invisible College to combat the gang warfare that goes on in the Astral (stealing abducting souls, deceiving them, tricking them into thinking they've made it to heaven, etc.) the "enlightenment/karma crowd" thinks that they must have made some kind of mistake, blames themselves and tries to go back in order to keep climbing the "Reptilian-Hierarchial-Ladder-to-Spiritual-Success" because although Buddhism was initially seeded to enlighten the humans it had turned dark as everthing does down here.

There is a huge misogynistic component to Buddhism, there is a shadow side, mind control, torture, now transhumanism etc.


Gnostics believe that all of this evil physical universe needs to be contained and transmuted through total decimation. Viable spirit(those containing original energy of
"THE FIRST" (SOURCE) will be salvaged, the rest will be transmuted, recycled.

We'll see what happens...it's like rolling the dice at this point.

Buddhism is a religion created by the lay people and deified and unknown homeless man who carried with himself profound knowledge that would change the world in profound ways. I research what is self evident to me and heavily contemplate deep ideals and concepts but maybe not self eveident to others something others will have to discover for themselves.

The orginal founder of Buddhism not that he wanted to create a religion and make himself a god he could care less about making his name known to the world. Is what I find interesting about him is his lone journey of wanting answers to his questions like why do people suffer in life and why do they die. He was no god only a phenomena that appeared because of certain conditions and what we knew him as Siddhartha Gautama was born into a royal family of which he gave up including his wife latter became a Buddhist Nun and his his kid who became a Buddhist Monk but also took responsibility to deal with any emotional baggage of abandonment issues he had with them. He left his rich life and took up a life as an acetic for some years gave that up since nothing was happening that was profound then he went and sat under a Bodhi tree determined to get answers which began the battle of his life with Maya and no matter what was thrown his way he prevailed and realized his whole life had been nothing but a dream and that his life is not real and has no permanence. After he realized this got up and pretty much homeless and poor took his begging bowl and each person he met and interacted with was a new beginning for him as well as for the persons he interacted with.

A while back I was reading THE SECRET ORAL TEACHINGS IN TIBETAN BUDDHIST SECTS by Alexander David-Neel she begins her book by taking to a Lama by the name of THE LAMA YONDGEN her adopted Son she herself also becomes an initiated Lama and tells him she wants to write a book to teach the secret oral teaching of Tibetan Buddhism to the people of other countries and in her mind wanted his full support on her future project of writing this book.

"It is a long time since the idea of writing this book occurred to me. One fine summer afternoon I had explained my plan to a learned Tibetan who led a life of contemplation in a little house on the rocky side of a mountain. He was not encouraging."Waste of time," he said. "The great majority of readers and hearers are the same all over the world. I have no doubt that the people of your country. .. are like those I have met in China and India, and these latter were just like Tibetans. If you speak to them of profound Truths they yawn, and, if they dare, they leave you, but if you tell them absurd fables they are all eyes and ears. They wish the doctrines preached to them, whether religious, philosophic, or social, to be agreeable, to be consistent with their conceptions, to satisfy their inclinations, in fact that they find themselves in them, and that they feel themselves approved by them."

The Master had nothing to teach me on this point. Hundreds of times, in the West, I had heard 2 THE SECRET ORAL TEACHINGS men and women express the desire to find a religion which would satisfy them, or had seen reject a doctrine with the remark: "It does not satisfy me."

The real secret of THE SECRET ORAL TEACHINGS IN TIBETAN BUDDHISM is that it is not secret its just the hearers will not understand it or ridicule you or event mock you thinking you are lunatic for believing in the teaching of Tibetan Buddhism.

Every time I approach the concept or even the very ideal of Gnosticism I am pushed back or I get the feeling that their is nothing there I can't explain why that is the door is close for me in regard to Gnosticism but when ideals in Buddhism are before me the door is open as for self knowledge.

As for Karma is a primary component that is part of this illusory matrix its what make the game interesting yes it is a game to whoever runs and created this matrix an exhilarating chess game if you will. Online games are pretty much set up this way your character you control dies it respawns again and again with you reeling with agitation you want to try again with a different approach the reward system is if you succeed you get points to use it to become more stronger and better but no matter how strong you get or how clever you think you are you will die again and again guaranteed and no one wins they win territory you win some back and forth they win everything or your team wins everything back and forth no end to it so what the point in playing the game no point is that I believe I believe I am wining the game when in reality no one is. Karma is a concatenated caused that generates effects or phenomena in this illusory reality that is all it is and part of the trap nothing beneficial about it. The Buddha character discussion was on the illusory nature of this world and who thing are connect to every other things and if it exist that arises. So I exist but I am conditioned on something else to exist if that ceases I cease to exist at least in the illusory matrix of this deceptive reality we think is real so I really have no soul my creation of the illusion of me is dependent on something else to exist.

[millipodium]

I don't buy into anything that has had a formalized system of adherents teaching about it for many years, this always corrupts the teachings in some way.  as far as "choosing a system to adhere to" ... I would prefer not to.