Oil volcano pressure too strong for containment

[karen]

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[/size][size="2"]Oil Volcano Pressure Too [/size] [size="2"]Strong For Containment[/size][size="2"]
Dr. James P. Wickstrom
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[size="2"]It has been estimated by experts that the pressure which blows the oil into the Gulf waters is estimated to be between 20,000 and 70,000 PSI (pounds per square inch). Impossible to control.  [/size]
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What US Scientists Are Forbidden To Tell The Public About The Gulf[/size] [size="2"]   [/size][size="2"]
What you are about to read, is what the scientists in the United States are not allowed to tell you in great fear of the Obama administration.
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They are under the threat of severe repercussions to the max..
Scientists confirming these findings cannot be named due to the above, but what they believe, they want to be known by all.[/size]
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Take a U. S. map, lay it flat and measure inland just the minimum 50 miles of total destruction all around the Gulf of Mexico as to what you will read below.[/size] [size="2"]  [/size][size="2"]The carnage to the United States is so staggering, it will take your breathe away.[/size] [size="2"]  [/size][size="2"]Should what the scientists who are trying to warn everyone about be even close to being true... all of Florida will be completely destroyed as will everyone and everything on it.[/size] [size="2"] 

[/size][size="2"]You decide!! Everyone has the right to read what I have just written in this article, as well as to what is written below by the scientists who the Obama administration and BP are trying to shut up.[/size]  [size="2"]
 [/size][size="2"]Please share with as many as you can.[/size] [size="2"]   [/size][size="2"]
--Dr. James P. Wickstrom[/size] [size="2"] 



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SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING[/size]
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The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.
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The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.[/size]

[size="2"]As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.[/size] [size="2"]  [/size][size="2"] 

The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months.[/size] [size="2"]  [/size][size="2"]  

The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.[/size]
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SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS[/size]

[size="2"][/size][size="2"]At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.

[/size][size="2"]The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.[/size] [size="2"]  [/size][size="2"] 

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.[/size] [size="2"]  [/size][size="2"] 

The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

[/size][size="2"]The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.[/size] [size="2"]  [/size][size="2"]   

Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years.[/size] [size="2"] 

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 From Tom Buyea FL News Service[/size] [size="2"]
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BP Refuses to Allow Scientists to Test Oil Spill Samples
Friday, June 11, 2010

Scientists in Florida are concerned that large plumes of oil floating beneath the surface in the Gulf of Mexico originated from the Deepwater Horizon spill, and want to test their samples against oil collected by BP. But the oil corporation is refusing to cooperate.

University of South Florida scientist David Hollander said he was “just taken aback” by BP’s unwillingness to assist in a scientific inquiry into the trouble. “It was a little unsettling.”

BP has publicly refused to acknowledge responsibility for the large masses of petroleum floating deep in the gulf which could be headed towards Florida. Company CEO Tony Hayward has gone so far as to insist the oil is “on the surface” of the ocean and that “there aren’t any plumes.”

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, however, is now saying oil has been discovered under the surface, although at “very low concentrations.”

In addition to not cooperating with scientists, BP has refused to grant media requests to fly over the gulf to capture images of oil slicks—refusals that also have been backed by federal agencies involved in the response effort.
-Noel Brinkerhoff

http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewNe...les_100611

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This is a series of posts from another forum I'm a member of regarding this.
Aside from things I know personally, I disagree with some of your info. The temp, for example, is closer to zero at that depth. The oil may be heated within the cavity, but once it hits the surface crust, it super cools on it's way up to the beach.

"Actually there is one. The situation lends itself to such by the very nature of it.
A nuclear device detonated within an intersecting well. It's been done before, but on a "super deep" land well, back in the late 70's IIRC.
Think about it. Given that the well head is a mile deep, at the bottom of the Continental slope of the Continental Shelf in this location, and the deposit itself is over five miles below the Earth's crust. If all they can get down there are ROV's, what can they really do besides circumcise the well head? No this isn't the only "Super Deep well." but they're at the very limits of Human technology on this.

In order to do so, they'd have to drill to the location, and intersect the well above the deposit. Then detonate the device.
However much can go wrong. If they over do it on the payload, and it ignites the deposit, and it's on/near a tectonic plate, you'll have a Tsunami that could wipe out the Gulf coast, West Coast of Africa,Europe in spots, and return to the East Coast of the US. Especially the Gulf Coast because it's so close to the Continental Shelf. The shallower the water, the bigger the wave.

No I have no direct information on this being "The plan", other than it's been done on land in the past. The Russians have done wells of this type before, but they are on land, so any problems at the well head can be easily accessed. However, I've observed things in place that would lend themselves to this.

1- The moratorium on drilling within the 12 mile limit of wells. Cant' have multiple wells spilling if this doesn't work. I would hope the other wells,[beyond the 12 mile limit] would be shutdown as well. And yes, it's gonna do more long term harm than short term good for the people there.

2- increased call by certain pol's for military support. Specifically, the Navy. This would serve to secure the sea/air space around the rig area for transporting the device to the area.
As well, if they notified the public, the Nat'l Guard could serve to augment the local LEO's with the evacuation and management of displaced people. If they've learned from Katrina, they will realize criminals don't stop doing criminal things no matter where they go. Barry flaked on this early on, but then went with it. I can't think of any other reason, given the economic impact of doing so, for him to do this. Other than mitigate the possible damage if that solution goes sideways. I am aware of his political Energy/carbon agenda.
Oh, not to mention the displaced people from Mexico if this doesn't work, migrating from the coast. The Nat'l Guard would come in handy with that.

3- When it was reported Stephen Chu was dispatched to the gulf with a Nuclear weapons expert among them. Why bring a Nuke weapons expert for a deep water oil well? On land you bring an explosives expert,[ using nitro glycerine etc], to blow out the well. Again this well is five miles deep, under a mile of water, with immense pressure on both sides.

I've seen the "News" reports on the "flow rate" document coming to light, but I've previously heard of info that indicates the psi rates, and flow rates are lowballed, and some of the sci's are way off. Think 55-70k psi and 4 million gallons a day type numbers. BP knew this was a big hit, but how big the deposit quantity,area, etc, is unknown. Given the last set of factors is unknown, it bolsters the fact that any safety device would have blown out from a deposit hit as deep below the surface as this is. Aggravated by the fact of the safety measures that were discarded, and it was done on the cheap.
Imploding the well with a large enough blast would appear to be an option at least, being quietly considered from the beginning.

I don't like the idea, but I like the spill even less. Time will tell, and if the rad's leak through the ocean floor, we'll see Gamera the flying turtle in a few yrs. "

Originally Posted by...... , your nuke theory is about as crackpot as it gets. I hope to god they try it.

Is it? as I said they've done it before, and in an environment where the only thing you can get close to the well head is ROV's, the problem's solution lends itself to it.

http://www.oil-price.net/en/articles...r-bp-spill.php

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/ene...nuke-oil-leak/

http://theweek.com/article/index/203...-the-oil-spill  "


Possibly, but there has to be a really good reason to use nukes, as they have been before. Like oxygen to fuel the explosion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but explosives like MOAB, Daisy Cutters Thermabaric use oxygen to augment the explosive's detonation. We're talking about a no oxygen, methane at least, environment.
IIRC, this method requires them to drill a shaft that intersects the main shaft. The explosive is at the drill tip, and detonated.
The blast from a conventional device may be dulled enough not to collapse the earth around the shaft, but ignite the oil/methane and actually blow out the shaft. Thus blowing off the well head entirely and making it worse. I figure they use nukes because the amount of earth moved in the explosion would be enough to block the shaft. Thing is there are many unknowns with this whole thing. "


Post by ....."or how about they keep drilling the relief well instead of this kooky option?

they have to drill for the nuke to work. why not just make the drilling for a well?


plus, the relief well is permanent in that it will eventually become a functioning oil well and closed off appropriately once it is exhausted. the nuke will leave a glass cavern under the seabed which will eventually collapse and possibly release the oil/radioactivity."



"Because they have no idea how large the oil deposit cavity really is. It could be years before it runs out. It seems to be seeping up from fissures in the surface, which is where you'd get your "plumes" from. So the crust is already fractured in that location.
I remember back in 2007, someone on this forum, posted news of oil deposits under the Gulf. This "Super Deep" oil well is the result of that.
As I understand it, and as basic Earth Science dictates, this deposit is under incredible pressure. A relief well would only augment the leakage, as the pressure is beyond human technology to contain. The relief well would be the well with the device. They've gone to a strata that's never been hit before. As well it's probable that there's a magma chamber not to far under the deposit. This super heats the oil and cause's the pressure's that they would have to compensate for. If you think they can come up with well heads, and containment that can reliably withstand such pressure, a mile deep, within a few months,permanently, you've got more faith in them than I do. Especially if they're taking time out for yacht races, like it's the "Thomas Crown Affair."

I'm not advocating the nuke option. There's allot that can go wrong. I've said so prior, but what else is there? Congressional,Senatorial, Corporate body shot? Sounds good, but won't work. It's, [nukes], been done on these wells before because it's the only thing that works. The difference is, they were on land, and didn't have the possibility of being near tectonic plates, magma chambers, as well as being a mile deep beneath the ocean. At temps near zero, under immense pressure both above and below.
If there's a magma chamber underneath, and it's close to the deposit, it could release, and ignite the oil, and magma. You'll have your lake of fire in the Gulf. Intersecting the well further up, and detonating a device may avoid any unpleasant events. Then again it may not work, and thus you have an apocalyptic event take place.
They stepped in some serious S$@t on this one, and they may not come out smelling like a rose. "

So yeah Karen, it's bad, really really bad.