Oz man fined for illegal clearing trees

[AndrewX]

Here's one for us all  Karen... especially anyone who's lived up north... I love this tune...icon_2thumbs  you can almost smell Australia with it.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9h3I5Uktw

[b][i]Out on the patio we’d sit,
And the humidity we’d breathe,
We’d watch the lightning crack over canefields
Laugh and think, this is Australia.[/i][/b]

[Astrojewels]

When will it all end is what I'd like to know Karen?  It's a pity we have to be like this because of those we allow to rule. 

Something has to change soon, I can't see how this can go on much longer

- Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body

Hi Andrew X,

That is a great song and great quote.

I would like to be able to answer that question but that is impossible! I see life as a cycle that people are either born into, or somehow pulled into the situation, but have no vision to escape or make a better life, you become so comfortable with what is ‘normal’ to you, but the problem arises when one persons ‘normal’ is abnormal to another.

This cycle allows excuses for surveillance, the more crimes that are committed produce the need for people to be monitored without dispute. Everywhere you go, you are being watched, and this includes your own home and car.

That weak bloke who threw his child off the Westgate, the ambulance was there less than 2 min after she hit the water, people don’t think! That bridge is full of surveillance and has a special suicide section for any cars that may stop, so the question is Andrew, not when will it end, but how do you educate an entire society? I like to live rural, because the pattern of thought is not so compressed or egotistical, over the next few years the disasters of this world will increase, and the cull will begin, we are too many infused in chaos, and yes we can blame the manipulation on the illuminati, yet at the end of the day, our choices are ours!

[AndrewX]

Glad you liked it Karen, I thought you would.:)

... so the question is Andrew, not when will it end, but how do you educate an entire society?

Interesting you say that Karen, and it may NOT be as hard as one may think at first. 

Numerous good thinkers on this subject the world over, including DavidIcke, BillCooper and the brilliant TomBeardon have spoken on this subject and what they said and say about it is quite startling at first, but after thinking about it a lot I feel they may well be perfectly right. 

They say that to sway the human consciousness collectively on any issue, we need to make only 1% of people aware of it.  1% only.  They say and believe that this is the threshold point we need to pass to initiate a FAST avalanche upon everyone else.  Thinking about it Karen, and taking into account the sheep mentality which constitutes about half or more of the collective and who move in any direction they see others walking in, it starts to become somewhat more feasible.  Then if you take into account the aspect of 'word of mouth', one may see that it may not take as many individuals to accomplish total change as first thought... by me anyway. 

This of course means that people such as us and most everyone on this forum Karen are in less than 1% of the total population of the world.  Which may sound equally as strange as the 1% threshold point, but in hind sight may not be too far wrong... given the blinded fools around us, and we live in a relatively enlightened land.  Fancy living in a place like India or similar, where the majority of a massive population haven't had any education at all and couldn't understand any such concepts.  We'd be none existent in a way.  So all of them have to be included in calculating this threshold point, which then puts things in a clearer perspective and adds more credibility to it.

It may not take as much effort as we have been led to believe Karen... I hope and feel they're right in the scheme of things. 

Let's hope they are.

[Astrojewels]

Hi Andrew X,

Well I would have to agree that many more people are open minded about topics that relate to the truth of those who rule this world, that is the first stage to allowing your mind pattern to enter a world of realism that the other 99% could not fathom. If I use myself as a reference, my life would consist of conversations that are 20% on the topics which are related to what we talk about here, because you have to acquire the sense of knowing who is interested and who is not, otherwise you are actually preaching and not teaching. What about you Andrew, how would you break up your conversations?

The other 80% of my words are about general life, kids, food and just standard stuff, as much as I could talk all day about these related topics, to find the ears to listen is not that easy, the groups that have come together to reach people that are aware, usually tend to be new age and way too extreme.

If I return to this actual topic, I place a great deal of blame on the greenies, their aim might be to keep the forests safe from loggers, and to create a eco system for all our wildlife, but at the end of the day, their initial kindness is what allowed these forests to become thick with underbrush and in turn, these massive trees burnt like matchsticks.

Last week we visited friends in these areas, and as we slowly drove up the mountain, it looks like a bomb has been dropped, and there is two distinctive scents, the first is of course scorched forest, and the second is rotting carcass, where the hell are the greenies now?  

So the next question I ask you is ‘how can we structure balance’?

[AndrewX]

 What about you Andrew, how would you break up your conversations?

Hi Karen,

You know I thought about this for a while after reading your post, as I never thought about it before.  I'd say I'd spend about a third of my speaking time doing it.  I have friends and kin who are into it quite a lot.  So we are forever talking about  this stuff. I've no doubt though that if I had kids to look after that it would be alot less.

...the groups that have come together to reach people that are aware, usually tend to be new age and way too extreme.

IOW, way off the ballpar... too true.  I often feel that is why the government lets them do it... he knows they've lost the plot, and this aids in their lack of success and his longevity.  I feel they're doing the course an injustice more often than not.  So there may be grounds to perhaps teach or  regulate these groups

Either way... there's still work yo done.

... Ã¢â‚¬Ëœhow can we structure balance’?

I'd say by using common sense and somehow making the greenies understand it... which would be a feat in itself.

They and others have to be made to understand that dead dried fauna combusts almost like petrol once the ground and air have  been very hot for days. 

I also believe that MORE controlled burn-offs during the cold winter months would not only help alot,   but would also give reason to employing more firefighters to accomadate it.  The money that is spent EVERY year for putting the fires out, replacing all burnt property and  treating all the injured, would easily pay for their salaries and then SOME.

:)

[Astrojewels]

Hi Andrew X,

Glad that I got you thinking, I tend to do that and not sure if it is always a good thing, people tell me I get in their heads! Totally agree with all that you say about what should be done, I just do not see this being resolved, the greenies are like aliens, they have never heard the word ‘cooperation’.

It will happen in my area in the near future, there will be a massive fire of all the surrounding forest, I guarantee it.

Our weather is an indication of our pattern of thought, and this is globally, we have become extremists, with nothing in between, life has become a journey of ‘all or nothing’ philosophy, the general population are no longer satisfied with what they have, they want more, more possessions or just more control. Look at our country; down south we have an inferno, up north floods, it is a reflection of how we feel and the way our lives are being set by the collective consciousness, and this I believe totally needs to be more than 1%, I think we need at least 30% of people to go back to basic happiness and satisfaction and then our world will reflect that simplicity.

The financial crisis is also a reflection of that greed that so many have these days, I have gone completely off topic here! What I try to say to people in conversations about the goings on, is not what might happen in say 2012 before or beyond, but more about that each of us have a place to change someone’s life, it is up to us, yes the educated ones, to truly educate, and teach people that we are always going to want something, and the energy compressed in that ‘want/need/desire’ is what changes our entire global community.

So my next question for you to think about-

What makes life simple?  

[AndrewX]

Hi Kaz,

You get into people's heads they say?  Then don't stop; simple.  I could sit here and explain it, but I no doubt you know what I mean.  Give it to them Karen, HEAPS that is.

It will happen in my area in the near future, there will be a massive fire of all the surrounding forest, I guarantee it.

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Oh no.  Get the fire dept to do a controlled burnoff before next spring if possible Karen.  Get into their minds or give 'em a kick in the arse... whatever ti takes.  Failing that, build a huge fire-break around your property.   The bigger and wider the better.   And go to Bunnings, and buy some of those cheap 360deg sprinklers that screw into that 3/4" thick black firm-ish plastic piping (whatever its called), and run them over the entire house so they sprinkle water all over it.  Only put them up during the danger periods,not permanent unless you can install tehm so they don't detract from the looks of the house and so they will last for many years because they're not exposed to the elements all the time - 1-2months a year at most on average.  The rest of the time they can sit inside a shed packed/rolled up.  You'd only need a dozen odd sprinklers placed strategically over the roof and piped into a fast running tap.  You could also then cover teh piping from the tap, to the roof with some cheap tin condute they already sell for such things.  Both at Bunnings and in Electrical stores.  The cross section of it looks like a square-ish greek Omega.  Pipe inside, nailed to the wall all along it.  That would add alot more protection to the pipe from UV and fire/heat.  The WHOLE lote would sete you back about $100-$200.  Excellent insurance and dirt cheap.  I can't understand why the govt doesn't make it mandatory?  He should subsidise it... it would turn disaster into bad days and save him HEAPS in the long run.  

... and this I believe totally needs to be more than 1%, I think we need at least 30% of people

 The 1% figure Karen is not the 'establishment point' or the point at which the change has occured, it is the supposed 'threshold triggering point' required to cause a fast unstoppable cascading effect on the collective that will propergate to the 'establishment point'  very soon thereafter.  If you know what I mean?  What you're refering to is the point at which the change has began to occur, or better yet, the point at which the change has began to SET.  30% odd sounds right because the remaining 65% accounts for the sheep who will then follow without question... the last 5% are those who are lapping it up already and don't want change no matter what... the ones who we'll hang out to dry once it happens.  That includes all the 300families and their immediate 'acquaintences' doing their bidding knowing all along what's going on and beleive in the philosophy of 'I'm alright Jack'.   But to build up to that point, what these boffins are implying is that it is NOT a lineal scale/effort.  They mean that once it reaches 1.0000000001%, and that could have taken let's say 100-200years, then to reach 30% would take a year or so after that.  If that makes sense?   IOW, if we could get 1% of them to click, the rest would come fast and there would be nothing we could do to stop it, nor would we need to continue converting anyone else.  The majority of the 1% would do it all for us.

Now I say to you as MaxwellSmart said to 99 on many an occsaion... "Do you get that 99?".  To which she agreed, only to have a confused Max reply, "Then explain it to me." icon_schiefguckicon_skeptisch

LOLOL

What makes life simple?  

To live with and consume as little material as possible.

If I take that to its theoretical extreme, to the Minimalistic perfection of living in absolute accordance with nature, it would be to have lived a long and healthy existance, without anyone else ever really knowing you were even alive. 

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I need a brand new friend who doesn't bother me 

I need a brand new friend who doesn't trouble me 

I need someone, who doesn't need me

- Hyacinth House (JimMorrison)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Re18NwL08

[Astrojewels]

The DSE in this area are pretty good, they do burn off, we have a fire plan, but when we were on high alert, depending on the fire and its ferocity, I would probably not stay. We are on alert today and tomorrow because of the wind and heat once again. Once a fire starts, there will be no stopping it because the poor trees are exhausted, they are worn out and weak by staying alive all this time without water, our state is in a state! All these years of drought have taken a toll. To the areas that have been looked after and the areas that have been locked in, really makes no difference because everywhere is just so dry, I have never seen it look so bad.

Last week I went up to QLD, and my young daughter sat and touched the green grass and said “feel it mum, its so soft” ! I had to laugh at them up there, they have all these signs saying preserve water etc, we are in a drought, please your trees and lawns are green, you do not know what a drought is!!

Without anyone else knowing you were alive, are you sure that is simple living Andrew, please explain further.

[AndrewX]

I'm basically refering to NOT bothering anyone your whole life.  People tend to notice the BAD much more than the good in their life's.  So if one bothers them for material gain, then they'll be noticed.  If one never seeks material gain, then hardly anyone will ever even notice them.  As I said, that is taking it to to its theoretical extreme, theoretical absolute.  Practically, this cannot happen.  The best we can do is live life in the simplest of manners.

 

Is that what you're refering to Karen?  I should have asked you to expand a bit on that question.   It can be taken a number of ways I think.  What exactly do you mean?

 

[Astrojewels]

Andrew X,

That explained what you meant, yes people do remember the negative of life and it’s a funny thing, hey! I know a lot of people that go out of their way to be nice, and they always seem to be treated harshly, it can be sad. I believe they just try to hard, and it is like a constant reminder not to do it!

Going back to a percentage of conversations, many people spend a great deal of their time talking about what others have done or have not done, parents, family etc, and this creates a ‘lock up’ of the energy within the body. Life is certainly interesting…