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I was reading an article where a ââ¬Ëgroupââ¬â¢ of youths beat up an old couple, weak and pathetic yes I totally agree, however the policeman talking about the incident referred to these youths as a ââ¬Ëpackââ¬â¢.
Do you think that humans do have ââ¬Ëpack mentalityââ¬â¢ like dogs and other predator animals or is it a mind pattern to follow, fit in and more to do with the ego? I would like to hear some thoughts on this since we have been discussing mind patterns a little lately.
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They have a sheep mentality,even though they think they're cool.It is a mind pattern "to follow",to be "part of the group",to be "accepted".They always have a leader with a large ego,who manipulates them.I wonder how tough they would be if thrown in jail with the ones that rape.
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AstroJ,
I do think humans tend to ,for the most part have herd mentality ,which may be the same as pack. I feel this is evident in the different tribes that developed in all parts of the world. I feel it comes from basic survival and a need to belong to something larger than the individual.An extended family of sorts. It seems the leaders of such packs or gangs mentioned in the article you read have a very strong need to over compensate for something...usually ,but not always,low self worth .They also tend to be control freaksand self absorbed.
Just a little side note... mountain lions are solitary creatures as are tigers. My point being that many predators are solitary including humans.
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Hi Astrojewels,
I also wanted to add - along with pack/herd mentality that you and MN mention and sheep that MC mentions - that there is The Hive/Bee mentality that is often referred to. Humans can be like a swarm of bees.
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I think there's something to it, because they don't always need a leader. When you think of rioting crowds, or the "mob mentality" you see so often, it just seems to spontaneously happen with no one person or group leading.
It seems that if enough people feel the same way about something, then all the individuals sort of fall in to match each other & once they're all on the same wavelength, we have a pack, and it all goes off.
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Rob,someone is always the spark that ignites it,and then all hell breaks loose and it's hard to stop it.There is also technology which on a certain Hertz level produces feelings of wanting to riot within a specific group of people that are targeted.
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I think you are all right, and yes MN you are totally correct that most predators are solitary creatures and only do it to eat, and a pack mentality is where violence erupts in the mind and conjures up a personality that is not continually present and the intention is to injure, I believe it does have a lot do with following and wanting to fit in; the herd or sheep. But creatures that herd are not usually violent, many breeds of dogs have pack mentality, it begins as a ââ¬Ëherd/sheep mentalityââ¬â¢ but alters during the event, like rob mentions, and those in the UK are famous for the football riots, and having an English father I know that there is this internal switch inside, so I am wondering is it a genetic energy? And yes MC is so correct that if you put these boys on their own they would be like miceââ¬Â¦It is totally weak because the victims were old people.
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Humans are bred to be very much like dogs. Social cliques tend to have an 'alpha' and his/her followers tend to be submissive. It can relate to predatory violence (gangs are a good example) but it has more to do with social behavior.
For example: when the alpha of the group speaks, the submissives do not. Wherever the alpha decides to go, the submissives follow. The alpha decides who can and can't be part of the clique, and the submissives agree. Whenever two or more groups come together, one person will 'out alpha' the others to be the alpha of the whole group.
Sometimes a submissive will try to 'out alpha' the alpha, as with dogs. This either results in a new alpha, or the expulsion of one or both of the combatants from the pack.
Human alphas tend to be well dressed, outgoing, loud, good at attracting attention, humorous, sharp-witted, and physically fit. They also tend to be male.
Women are attracted to these alpha-males, whereas men tend to be more attracted to women who are more submissive.
These social instincts are very animal, and I believe are the direct result of denying humanity access to it's higher levels of perception over thousands of years. We have been forced into perceiving reality as purely physical, and therefore behave in a physical (animal) manner. If we could all perceive non-physical reality these animal behaviors would become more or less obsolete.
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I agree zodd42 with what you are saying, however I believe it is more than the psychological alpha male leading the submissive, I grew up in a neighborhood where street violence was an everyday occurrence, and it is not always one leading the pack, it is often a pack decision to do something. These youths chose a victim of weakness, even most dogs stop fighting when the other dog pleads mercy, excluding pit bulls of course!
So would you consider these boys to be ââ¬Ëalpha malesââ¬â¢ considering they beat up on someone that could not fight back or even defend themselves against the attack, and there is a great difference to fighting someone of equal power to fighting someone you know can not defend themselves, I think this is two different mind pattern energies all together, what do you think?
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