Predator Mentality

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"The problem is that programmed people do not see the complexities, and refer to the generalization of programming, yet programming is like a chameleon, it is always a chameleon, but depending on where it stands, it takes on that form, so you might have 100 people that have the same range of programming, yet their individuality transforms that original program to disguise itself through energy, it attaches to the projection of energy of the individual."

It is unfortunately that everyone is programmed then, huh?

The purpose whether it be to use someone as a sex slave (monarch/etc many ritual programs) or enhance low self esteem to strengthen self sabotage cutting one off from their major resources (like blocking conscious Oversoul communication or even conscious knowledge of Oversoul entirely) is what I was referring to by the more detailed or simply "complex" side of programming. This would also be the dynamics of creating the programming or the program's relationship to the mind patterns it latches onto, etc etc.

But whatever the purpose be, the purpose is still manipulation. Whether it is to manipulate the "matrix" of the mind in a negative way, or even a positive way. Whether it is "against the individual's will" and the individual is unaware or the individual is knowing and volunteering themselves.
It is such a vague description because the simplicity is supposed to grasp the entire topic, or rather tends to. While complexity dives into relationship and details. The general/basic side is the bigger picture.

As you have said you like to relate to describing things in terms of energy - or something like that. But describing programming as a chameleon sounds to me like a simple way of describing programming. It can be a very accurate description also, which does not take an entire book to describe. So programming is a manipulation tool/device/software/technology. So programming is like a chameleon. So programming is a manipulation tool/device/software/technology which can change or which can be manipulated to suit one's needs.

"I would like to hear you views, and not the quotes of others, because our journey does take us to many teachers, yet the mind-pattern cannot pursue a life time of being a student."

That would take a long time.
Are you willing to take this much time?
I don't think I would be willing to spend so much time as I have other things to do and already know what my views are - on many, many things. Since you do not want to hear so much the gist of things, and want to accept things more in their complicated form, this is generally why it would take so long. Plus we can keep talking on and on back and forth. I've already done this plenty with plenty people, and I might say I've even done this plenty with you. I also already plan to put down all my views on my own website where it is all organized and in one place and free for anyone to access, and been actually planning this for awhile so no need to waste more time.
That would also go way off topic.
It isn't so simple as quoting others, you can surely agree with that.
Perhaps with others, not with me. What I refer to is what I believe in. Otherwise, likely I would not be quoting such sources.
Particularly, to point out people and name names, Stewart/Janet Swerdlow. I do not agree all-the-way with everything they say however. Some things I neither disagree with nor agree with.
I have also changed my views several times on several things, so please don't assume I simply repeat what I am told. Of course I have my own views, : ) but that does not mean I will not agree with or they will not coincide with others/others'.

Of course! Because if one was to forever remain a student, then one would never advance to the point of graduating from the Earth plane! We are here to learn, after all. This is why some might describe themselves as "students of life." The majority certainly aren't teachers, not in the way one would think. But there are teachers, which means of course the mind pattern is not supposed to remain a student, otherwise there would not be any teachers - and therefore not any students! Right?

I believe life can be simple.
I believe life can be complicated.
As complicated things can be simplified, so can simple things be complicated.
This itself can either be seen as simple or complicated. Both can be true.

I would be interested in hearing what lifestyle you lead.

[Astrojewels]

Everyone is programmed but not specifically, so everyone is ‘not’ a victim, and everyone is not a target. I used the chameleon as an example, an analogy to describe that each person reacts differently to the same program, maybe to simplify, yet it does not give any description to what it really is!   

Unfortunate? I find the world of programming actually incredibly interesting.

I feel I have offended you with the request of your personal views, I do not want to hear things in a ‘complicated form’, I was merely saying that some things can not be explained with simplicity, thats all.

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I never said everyone was a victim.
Nor did I say everyone was an exact target.
In fact I went on plenty about the exceptions and whatnot.
One does not have to be a 'victim' as in "I got gang banged" to have victim mentality.
That does not mean one is invincible however, as they still have those qualms in their mind pattern.
And the mind pattern is wide and long. It can hold many patterns.
I was also plenty flexible with saying that at least over half the population has a victim mentality running which is strong enough to bring up the evidenced and strong opponent.
That certainly doesn't sound like I was saying everyone was a victim or specifically targeted, no?
When one thinks "I shouldn't go out at night because I will get 'gang banged' " or "this must be karma" making themselves believe they deserve the negative things happening to them - a victim mentality or low self esteem is present.
Of course low self esteem has strong ties to victim mentality. One punishes oneself and they learn to 'expect bad things' to happen.
It's also a difficult cycle to get out of.
But if anyone is frustrated, (and I'm not accusing you) for being a victim, or finds themselves rejecting the idea of being a victim, that is their problem.
I know well the first step to solving your own problems is admitting you have them.
It's not a crime, everyone has problems.
Some work on them more than others.
I am at least honest to myself by being able to admit having problems, which is why I insist that what you are saying is not "hard for me to accept" because there is little to accept.
Saying that would mean I rather see the world in simple terms which would make sense initially because who would rather see the world as complicated?
However that would make it very unlikely for me to accept things like reptilians or corrupt positions or much anything that can be difficult to deal with.

"I used the chameleon as an example, an analogy to describe that each person reacts differently to the same program,"

It is very much the same with many things. Of course individuals will react differently compared to others, that is life.
And we're not all robots yet!

"... maybe to simplify,"

Okay.
Well I think you were certainly simplifying.
Simplifying isn't such a terrible thing, you know.

"... yet it does not give any description to what it really is!"

Then why use it?
We're not starting a thread about programming and its complexities.
If something could not be described simply, then it is likely not true, as if a false theory, because there is much truth in simplicity.
I think perhaps if something could not be described simply, then maybe there would be an inability for one to think briefly of something.
When we think of programming, we know what it is by briefly grasping the big picture.
We don't have to think of all the little details.
Do you? I don't.
That is why even if "knowing" or "feeling" can't always be described by words, I think there is a simple side to programming. Like its concept. Its purpose. Who it serves. What it does. All these to me are simple truths.

That is nice, I think I am somewhat fascinated by programing also just like I am interested in psychology and the mind and its works and power, I want to understand it.
Programmed people can be fascinated with programming like that.
I however do not desire to hold it in existence for the purpose of entertainment.
There is simply too many other (more positive) things to be entertained by.
It is perfectly fine if programming holds your interest to a level of fascination, that will probably compel you to find out more about it and understanding programming, you will understand more of deprogramming.
I hope your fascinating dies down once you deprogram, or the need might cause more trouble instead of helping.
I wouldn't say you have offended me, I just don't feel the need to explain all of my beliefs rather than remaining on topic and saving time. I didn't even mean to spend the time I have on this current topic. And look how much I'm explaining!
I'm not sure as to why you are so interested, it has little relativity to the concepts we're discussing.
The details and complexity cannot be explained as well with simplicity I would imagine, that is why there is a smaller picture as well as a big picture.
I guess you dislike face values or like to take your time delving deep within issues and finding as much about something as you can.
That's great! (And with some parts; not too unlike me.)

[Astrojewels]

I'm not sure as to why you are so interested, it has little relativity to the concepts we're discussing.

Very true!

[Mercy Now]

Once upon a time :D a group of mice were discussing what should be done about the huge cat that threatened them. They all decided that it would be a good idea to  put a bell on the cat but couldn't agree on who should put the bell on the cat. Thus began an arguement and while they were arguing the cat came and ate them all.

I learned  this little parable long ago and  it came to mind following this thread.

 

[Astrojewels]

Ha Ha MN....

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LOL now I had no such parable to pop into my head but I might have been thinking the same thing - certainly on the Discerning Deception thread, similar as this page from noblerealms:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=5194

:D