Question about the devil and Christ

[Andrea]

I have a few questions. Many of you may know I consider myself a Christian, but I am open to understanding life from every aspect, and I am open to hearing any and every point of view because I believe I am able to grow from diversity not from stagnation.
Anywhoo, I have been on this Illuminati subject for many years and I have come to realize that the Illuminati are Satanists, Luciferians, or what have you. They BELIEVE in the "DEVIL".
Now, I have not seen thr subject I am about to broach mentioned here on the Cafe so I am trying to be cautious...here we go .
Most mind control is a result of satanic ritual abuse. That is one of the main ways to traumatize and shatter a child. Most victims of SRA, with alters, are trying to infiltrate churches (Christian churches) to prevent the work of God from inhibiting the goals of satan.
Why is it that so many Illuminists care about Christian churches if Jesus isnt real? Why are so many victims of SRA Illuminati control finding security through Christ?
Also, why isnt the SRA aspect of the Illuminati and DID mentioned by so many who are recovering victims? Is it possible that part of their programming is to believe Christ and the Bible are NOT TRUE? Therefore if they regain a certain amount of freedom, they wont get total freedom because total freedom only comes through Christ.
I am only asking and speaking my feelings so I hope not to offend anyone. It seemed an interesting question to ask though.
Dont be timid to share your feelings on this subject. I am not a person who condemns others because they believe differently than I do. I am asking because I really want to understand.

[Lion]

Well from what I understand, the 'illuminati' form of satanism is not a worshiping of satan. They do 'not' believe in the 'devil', It is more of a term used by theorists to categorize the aspect of what they do. Satanic Ritual is more of a sexual majick than anything referring to a 'devil' or 'satan' in a biblical sense. The energy that rises from these practices are what is sought, but has nothing to do with 'satan' in a religious sense, but more so on the manifestation aspects of it as stated that the energy of an 'orgasm' in a human is parrallel to the energy 'god' uses for creation.

You also have to consider that the belief of recovering SRA's about being in satanic ritual could also be part of a program in their matrix to believe in the religious aspect of it. With regards to programming believing 'christ and bible' being not true, it would most likely be that they are programmed to believe that it is true, to cover the illumised program of the new world religion.

Also - from 'As Ye Sow - so shall ye reap' from Stewart, it states that physical reality is created by the negative portion of god-mind, referring it to 'satan' as physical reality is the furthest away in the illusion of separation from god itself. Perhaps this is the reason illuminati worship 'satan' in this respect as its the creator of physical reality.

Hope that helps from a differing point of view :)

[Andrea]

Wow, Good info. I never thought of it that way before. If I understand you correctly you are saying that typical satanism is not what the Illuminati believe? So Illuminists really are not satanists then? If thats true why do many survivors refer to them as such, and not in the way you mentioned? Why are "demons" layered into their programming? I am not arguing but trying to understand.
Either way it makes it even that much more confusing. The programming aspect is giving me a headache now.
Its like "Maybe you are programmed to believe you are programmed but really you are only a little old lady having a bad dream"
Its so much to unravel.
Thanks Lion, you shed some light and gave me more to think about.
I just read your quote and I had to make another comment because I see now why you were the first to comment.:) I need to understand this quote you have more. Can you refer me to a book or website to help. PM me if necessary thanks.

[Lion]

Satanism as in actual 'satan' worshiping (Biblical sense) is not 'that' big of a religion, however I read that the Church of Satan call themselves that just to 'piss of the ignorant christians'.  Its more of an attack per say.  However, there is a difference between Luciferians and Satanists.  Can't remember what exactly, I think Luciferians are associated with the number '9', and Satanists are associated with the number '6'.  One is 'left hand' the other is 'right hand'. (Baphomet imagary comes to mind)

As I said with the survivors calling them 'satanists', well - what else would someone call it, its as evil as it can get, so associating it to the most 'evil' creation in a religious sense, its a suitable title to call them 'Satanists'.

Also I doubt many SRA's know much about the Illuminati - so they would associate it to a more mainstream belief of a religious sense.

The quote came from a Billy Meier book, I think it was what one of the Plaedians said to him.

[Andrea]

Actually, I know a local pastor that spends MOST of his time fighting against satanists. They are secretive and sneeky and you would never know HOW big of a religion it is because they portray themseleves as God-fearing Christians. Yet they infiltrate churches to cause chaos and confusion. Read the stories of ILLUMINATI survivors on the net and see how many of their parents were church-goers, pastors or teen ministry workers. Does it matter whether or not they understand the 'religious' aspect if they are satanists? Or do you have to be called "satanist" to actually be one? Dont most just go through the motions for 'the family'?
Check out SVALI (who has since disappeared) Or Dan of Israel, or Zephnet.
No not many Illuminati survivors are strong or bold enough to speak out in any way. But the ones I have seen have found strength through Christ.

[Lion]

We'll we will have to agree to disagree there - for anyone can find solice in ANY religion - not just christianty.  Its the idea of what christ is supposed to represent that brings strength - nothing more, but as i said, any religion can provide this false sense of security.

[Andrea]

:)

[MC]

I have a question for you.Why do you consider yourself a christian? Have you studied the very bloody history of christianity? Do you know who created the religion called christianity,that is in no way based on the beliefs nor teachings of the persona called Christ.Do not in any way think I am attacking you.I cannot change your belief system,nor is that my goal,because change must come within.I am just trying to understand.

[Andrea]

Well actually I must say I have not studied the history of Christians. I am aware of the history of the Catholic church, which is very bloody and hate fueled (Illuminati). I have NEVER considered the Catholic church to be Christian. I may be wrong but to me Catholics, such as the POPE, are not Christians, they are Illuminati.
I guess I call myself a Christian because I grew up in a very Christain family where we know Christ. I dont go to church anymore because I find them to be to fabricated and whorish. But I know what I feel, I know what has changed and helped me grow, and when I call it Christ...it works for me NO DOUBT. Therefore I consider myself a Christian.
I know how you feel Moon Child because when I first joined we had a similar conversation. I do not feel you are attacking me. I LOVE to hear others opinions and ideologies. I am growing as a person and I would appreciate anyway you may be able to help me understand something I am not seeing.

[Mercy Now]

Andrea, A thorough study of all religions is lengthy but revealing. All major religions have alot of blood on their hands. That being said, it was the Jesuits that promoted and backed the crusades and the Catholic church ,as well as others,  participated. There was,once, an idyllic time when all the major religions coexisted and prospered in harmony. Queen Isabella ,I believe it was, had a big hand in putting a stop to that.

 I feel that such atrocities were intentionally carried out and  perpetuated not only to muddy the waters and confuse but to negate the teachings of people like the man who was/is referred to as Christ as well as other enlightened  ones.Confused people,generally speaking , are easily led.From my understanding ,the man known as the Christ ,would not approve,to put it mildly, of the things done in his name.

 I don't think by the Christian Church standards I would be considered a Christian but I believe that the teachings of the man referred to as the Christ were meant to assist us in our existence on this planet and our ultimate journey through life anywhere. 

For What It's Worth:)