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Steve Kirsch's most important interview & A summary of the evidence against vaccines
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The single most important interview I've ever done: former Kaiser nurse Gail Macrae
90% of the COVID deaths in hospitals were attributed to COVID treatment protocols. ICU doc estimated up to an 80% increase in mortality due to the COVID vaccine.
Steve Kirsch
Jan 1, 2024


Executive summary

My interview with former Kaiser Permanente Santa Rosa nurse Gail Macrae is the single most devastating interview I’ve done since I first started speaking out against the COVID vaccine in May 2021.

Key points of the interview include:

    Hospitals were actually empty when the press told us they were full.

    90% or more of the COVID deaths were actually caused by the treatment protocols dictated from above, not the virus. There were both early treatments as well as inpatient treatments available that reduced the COVID death rate by over 90%.

    The COVID vaccines increased all-cause mortality in hospitals by up to 80% according to one ICU doctor I spoke to who worked in the same hospital as Gail and made meticulous notes on patient outcomes.

    One of the potential reasons people believed that there was a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” is that the EMR systems were programmed to default all COVID cases to unvaccinated and nurses weren’t told how to change it.

    After the vaccines rolled out for an age group is when the hospitals started seeing very unusual things they’ve never seen or rarely seen before for that age group.

    Doctors are still afraid to speak out.

Bottom line: it wasn’t the virus that caused the pandemic. It was our response to the virus (top-down dictated treatment protocols and vaccination directives) that caused nearly all the morbidity and mortality. It was all preventable had we listened to the people that our government wanted to silence.

Today, there is still a total lack of transparency of what happened in hospitals in 2021 after the shots rolled out. If the protocols and vaccinations were a huge success, why aren’t we seeing any hospital publish their numbers?

The 90 minute interview

https://rumble.com/v4482jt-nurse-gail-ma...ocols.html

Key learnings: COVID period

    All Sonoma county hospitals were at or below annual admission averages for the entire year of 2020.

    Stanford Hospital was dead empty in April 2020, a time when the press said hospitals were overwhelmed. At peak, there were 11 COVID patients at Stanford. The peak number in the ICU was 4.  The thinking at Stanford at the time was that the cases were low because everyone followed the protocol dictated by the health authority. They had no idea that every other hospital was experiencing the same lack of patients. It had nothing to do with the mitigation protocols.

    Gail doesn’t know of any hospitals in California that were full of COVID patients. Her hospital was running at a fraction of capacity during this “crisis” (at peak they had 10 of the 30 COVID beds filled). They were sending staff members home because there wasn’t anything for them to do at work. The hospitals were like ghost towns. Note: 10 or fewer beds until November/December 2020, which is the normal time of year when hospitals fill every winter.

    Most of the COVID deaths were actually caused by the COVID treatment protocols, not the virus. Gail and an ICU doctor I spoke with after the call estimated that at least 90% of the people who died were killed by the “COVID protocol.”

    I also checked with Paul Marik and he agreed that the 90% of those who died in the hospital from COVID were killed by the protocol would be a fair estimate. Paul worked in the ICU at the time and had close to 100% success rate in saving COVID patients (only a few patients who came in really late or had a lot of comorbidities died). He was told to switch to the “hospital protocol” based on CDC guidance. He complied and 7 out of his next 7 patients died including one patient who was just 22 years old. Paul was not allowed by the hospital to use his protocol to save patient lives, so he resigned.

    Hospitals force doctors to comply with the COVID protocols that were designed by the medical associations. If the doctors don’t comply, they will be fired and lose their license to practice medicine. So, unless they are ready to retire, they all comply even though it is killing people.

    The hospital protocols are a two-edged sword: they withhold drugs like strong steroids that can save a patient’s life, and they administer drugs like remdesivir which causes people to die sooner. Or they will put people on ventilators. One nurse who got COVID threatened to sue the hospital if she didn’t get steroids. She got steroids and she’s alive today. I heard from a former Kaiser doc that high net worth patients are also able to negotiate treatment options.

    One of the reasons it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated is that Gail said that the EMR systems like EPIC were programmed to default all COVID cases to be
    ”unvaccinated” and nurses weren’t told how to change it. They would make notations in the chart, but the statistics the hospital reports are based on the vaccine status field, not from notes. So anyone looking at hospital statistics could reasonably conclude that this is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” This happened in Kaiser. Unclear how many EPIC clients had the same programming.

Key learnings: Vaccine period

    Anaphylaxis:

        Gail knew of at least 2 anaphylaxis reports in her unit after getting the very first shot of the COVID vaccine. There are 25 people in her unit. Both said they would be fired if they spoke about it and were very reluctant to disclose this information to Gail. Note: 2 anaphylaxis cases in 25 injections is a train wreck. The Pfizer Phase 3 trial reported no cases of anaphylaxis in the over 22,000 people who got the shots. So this should have stopped the shots immediately because there was clearly something seriously wrong with the manufactured product (compared to what was given to the trial participants). But nobody said anything because they didn’t want to get fired.

        Gail heard reports from a nurse doing vaccinations of the public of up to 8-12 anaphylaxis within 15 minutes of the shot per shift (around 100 people vaccinated per shift). This sounds very high and I was unable to verify this (the person no longer works at Kaiser). Have you heard of similar stats? Please let me know in the comments.

        The peer-reviewed literature says the rates of anaphylaxis after the COVID shot are 2.4 cases per 10,000 doses. In the Pfizer trial, there were 0 cases of anaphylaxis reported. Doctors are trained to trust the clinical trial data and assume that the injected vaccine is the same as the vaccine tested in the trial.

    Some medical staff were told that if you report a vaccine side effect to VAERS, you would be fired.

    Post Mar 2021, patients were admitted for a variety of unusual symptoms: clotting disorders she’d never heard of before, heart abnormalities, strokes, rapid onset autoimmune, rapid onset dementia. Basically, lots of very rare adverse events happening at a frequency that she had never seen before. She had 2 cases of Guillain Barre happening 24 hours after a vaccine, for example. So 4 total in 6 weeks (two confirmed less than 24 hours after the shot). Previously, 2 cases total in the previous 9 years. So something is causing this and it never happened during COVID.

    Younger people started going to the hospital with unusual symptoms starting when the vaccine rolled out for their age group.

    She experienced roughly an 8X increase in code blues being called (over hospital com systems) directly associated with onset of vaccination. This never happened during COVID.

    In the summer of 2021, there were 3X higher admissions than the peak of the past 30 years (she misspoke in the video; she said 300% and she meant 3X).

    After the vaccines rolled out for an age group is when the hospitals started seeing weird things they’ve never seen before that age group.

    The COVID vaccines increased all-cause mortality in hospitals by up to 80% according to an ICU doctor I spoke with at Gail’s hospital.

Key learning: General

    Doctors are still afraid to speak out. They don’t want to lose their job, license, or be ostracized by their peers. So they stay silent. I talked to one doctor at Gail’s hospital and she said she didn’t know how many doctors were “red pilled” because nobody brings it up. It’s a taboo topic.

Confirmation by others

My doctor, nurse, and paramedic friends corroborate what is said in this video.

If you have any nurses or doctors who believe Gail is not accurately representing what happened inside her hospital, please let me know in the comments.
An open call for counter-examples

I posted on X asking for a nurse or doctor to come forward and talk about how the vaccines reduced morbidity and mortality, but not a single person was willing to do that.

The post had over 16,000 views, but I didn’t get a single name!

But what I did get instead were posts like this one:

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Summary

The COVID pandemic was created by our response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The hospital treatment protocols and the COVID vaccines were the two biggest offenders.

Today, most doctors are afraid to speak out about what is really happening. They stay silent. Few doctors want to lose their job or their medical license. So the killing will continue.

I hope that watching this video will help people to understand what is really happening. Educating people on what is going on is essential for change to happen.

Jeff barton
10 hrs ago

3X is 300%. At least if you believe percenrages greater than 100 make any sense. Properly, percentages are fractions less than one ie 0 to 100% and multiplicative effects should be expressed as 2x, 3X etc. Somewhere along the line, likely from marketing, the habbit of expressing multiplicative effects as percentages greater than 100 came into fashion. Probably focus group tested to confirm that people were more impressed with 300% improvement compared with 3X improvement. I am going to get that pill that increases testosterone by 300% while you, girly man, will probably still have man boobs after taking that other pill which only increases T by 3X.

Joshua Shalet
18 hrs ago

There is no virus

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/the-single-...-interview

A summary of the evidence against the COVID vaccines
Here's a quick summary of the key pieces of evidence that taken together show that the COVID vaccines are unsafe and that the medical community should not be trusted.
Steve Kirsch
Jan 7, 2024


Here is a short list of reasons that everyone should be concerned about the COVID vaccine. This is not an exhaustive list.

1    Doctors are told to trust the FDA and CDC when prescribing vaccines. All the post-marketing safety data is kept hidden by health authorities so not even doctors can look at the data themselves to find out if any vaccine is safe. Doctors thus have no choice but to trust the authorities since the data is kept secret. They are essentially told: “do what we tell you to do, do not question authority or we will take away your license.”

Quote:Rule #
1. Don't Trust
2. Very
3. Follow 1 & 2 Every time

2 The CDC itself doesn’t have the data to make a post-marketing independent vaccine safety assessment and they are not interested in obtaining the data either! The CDC relies on the FDA who relies on the manufacturer to test the product. The CDC could ask states for vaccination records tied to death records, but they don’t want to even ask because if they did a safety analysis, it could be discovered in a FOIA request. The CDC basically has no interest whatsoever in verifying what the actual safety data is. When I offered to show them the NZ data before I published it (so they would finally have record level data), they declined to look at it.

3 Lack of transparency by health authorities. Not a single health authority anywhere in the world has ever released anonymized record-level patient data for independent researchers to assess the safety of any vaccine. There isn’t any paper in a peer-reviewed journal showing that health outcomes are improved if public health data is kept secret.

4 Lack of interest in data transparency by the medical community. Can you name a single high-profile pro-vaccine member of the medical community who has called for data transparency of public health data? Time-series cohort analyses can be easily produced by health authorities and published for everyone to see. These would show safety signals and do not jeopardize patient privacy. These are always kept hidden. The lone exception is the UK ONS, but they made their “buckets” so large that you cannot see the impact of the vaccine. When I asked them to redo their analysis with smaller buckets, they stopped responding to me.

5 We aren’t allowed to see even the simplest of charts. Wouldn’t it be great to define two cohorts on July 1, 2021: COVID vaccinated vs. COVID unvaccinated. Then you simply record the deaths from that point forward and plot them. Why isn’t this being published?

6 Misinformation is deemed to be a problem, but the people making these statements are unwilling to take any steps to stop the so-called misinformation. These steps include: open public discussion to resolve differences of opinion and making public health data available/public in a way that preserves privacy. For example, HHS (as well as every state health department) should welcome all of us with open arms and invite us to query their databases (such as VSD and Medicare in the case of HHS) and publish the results of those queries for everyone to see. Why does this information need to be hidden? The numbers tell the story, not the individual records.

7 No response from health authorities to reasonable requests. I’ve sent emails to Sarah Caul of the UK ONS on four ways the ONS can increase data transparency. There was no response.

8 No response when asked to explain damaging evidence. When credible scientists receive government data that shows very troubling safety signals, there is a total unwillingness of any health authority (or mainstream epidemiologists) to discuss the matter and resolve it. They won’t do it publicly and they won’t do it privately. Not for anything. You can offer to donate $1M to their institution and they still won’t talk to you. We saw this when Peter Hotez was offered millions of dollars to publicly debate RFK Jr. and he turned it down.

9 The US Medicare data clearly shows mortality increases after people take the jab. Is there any epidemiologist who can explain why deaths rose during a period in time when they should have been falling (per the Medicare death data)?

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For the first 120 days after the shots given in March 2021, death rates overall were falling. But death rates went up for those who got the shot. We know from data from other vaccines that the baseline death rate of 81-year-olds in Medicare is 3.85%, so the baseline death rate of this group is <800 deaths a day. These deaths climb far above baseline after you took the COVID shot.

10 The patient-level data released from NZ data confirms that mortality increases after the shots are given. This happens even when the shots were given during time periods when deaths were falling. Nobody’s been able to explain that. In every shot, the mortality is higher at 24 weeks than at 4 weeks, regardless of the season that the shot is given in. The male:female risk of death was also dose dependent which should be impossible if the vaccines are safe (I restricted the age range to 40 to 77 so there is no age confounding in the comparison). There is no epidemiologist in the world that has looked at the NZ data and declared that this data proves the vaccine is safe. Nor is there any epidemiologist calling for the full dataset to be released. They simply do not want to know the truth. https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-u...nd-the-new https://kirschsubstack.com/p/nz-data-sho...-mortality

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New Zealand’s baseline death rates and peak are up since the COVID vaccine rollout. These were supposed to reduce mortality, but they increased it to record levels. The “explanation” that this is due to population growth is a mirage; annual deaths per capita increased in New Zealand (they never talk about that).

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NZ data: Doses 2 and 4 were given while background mortality was falling, dose 3 while rising. So we’d expect the slope to fall in the first 6 months after vaccination. It does the opposite.

11 Anecdotes such as the one from Jay Bonnar who lost 15 of his DIRECT friends unexpectedly since the shots rolled out. Four of the 15 died on the same day as that vaccine was given. Before the shots rolled out, Jay had lost only one friend unexpectedly. The probability this happened by chance is given by poisson.sf(14, .25) which is 5.6e-22. So this can’t happen by chance. SOMETHING killed Jay’s friends and 4 of the 15 died on the same day as they were vaccinated. Is there a more plausible explanation for what killed Jay’s friends? All of them who died were vaccinated with the COVID vaccines. https://kirschsubstack.com/p/jay-bonnars...tistically

12 Studies like the one done by Denis Rancourt showing 1 death per 800 shots on average. Jay Bonnar estimates he has around 14,000 friends so Jay Bonnar’s numbers are consistent with Rancourt’s results. https://denisrancourt.substack.com/p/cov...-mortality

13 Survey data like Skidmore and Rasmussen Reports showing that hundreds of thousands of Americans have been killed by the COVID shots. There have never been any counter surveys published showing this not to be the case. The Rasmussen polls have shown that a comparable number of people have been killed by the shots as by the virus (and the treatment protocols for the virus). https://kirschsubstack.com/p/msu-profess...exonerated https://kirschsubstack.com/p/rasmussen-p...-americans

14 The lack of any success stories. It appears that “vaccine success stories” where COVID infection fatality ratios dropped or that myocarditis cases plummeted after the vaccines rolled out do not exist. The US Nursing home data shows that the infection fatality rate (IFR) increased after the vaccine rolled out. There is nobody using that data making the claim it reduced the IFR. At best, the vaccines did absolutely nothing. If you showed someone a graph of cases and deaths, nobody would be able to tell you when the vaccines rolled out. Conversely, after the shots rolled out, the “failure stories” skyrocketed. https://kirschsubstack.com/p/the-us-nurs...evastating

15 Anecdotes from healthcare are extremely troubling. One nurse reported a hospital admission rate that was 3X higher than anything in the 33-year history of the hospital after the COVID vaccines rolled out. Symptoms rarely ever seen were common after vaccines rolled out in that age group. https://kirschsubstack.com/p/the-single-...-interview

16 Lack of autopsies in clinical trials and post-marketing. The CDC doesn’t request anyone to do autopsies even for people who die on the same day as they got the vaccine. Don’t they want to know what killed those people… just to be sure?

17 Young people dying in sleep. There are way too many cases of young people who die in their sleep after being vaccinated. Doctors say this is a rare event. Now it is much more common. If the shots are safe, why is this happening?

18 I have direct personal experience with the vaccine: two people I know were killed by the vaccine, none from COVID. I know many people who are vaccine injured from the COVID vaccine.

19 Corruption in the VAERS system used to track adverse events. See this presentation by Albert Albert Benavides. In addition, the v-safe system showed that 8% of the people who got the vaccine had to see medical attention (which is in itself a train wreck), but the CDC refused to voluntarily disclose this important information and even today they don’t talk about it. https://icandecide.org/v-safe-data/

20 The CDC covered up 770 safety signals. They didn’t tell the public about them at all. Not even hinting at them. A safety signal is very serious. To get one safety signal would be concerning. But to get 770 safety signals triggered (on 770 different adverse event types) and then not say anything to the public about it is a sure sign of a very corrupt public agency whose job is to protect the manufacturers, not the public.

21 Ed Dowd’s book statistics. This very popular book (“Cause Unknown”) listed 500 who died unexpectedly. Ed didn’t know how many were unvaccinated. Only one person has come forward saying that one of the people in the book who died after the vaccines rolled out was unvaccinated. https://www.amazon.com/Cause-Epidemic-Su...510776397/

22 Prominent doctor/scientists switching sides. Paul Marik is one of the top intensivists in the world. After seeing many COVID vaccine injured patients, he changed his mind about the safety of vaccines. When he was not allowed to practice medicine consistent with his Hippocratic Oath, he resigned his position.

23 The corruption with COVID protocols. The COVID hospital protocols likely caused 90% of the COVID deaths in hospitals. This led to Paul Marik resigning. See details in this article. Why are doctors forced to use hospital protocols that kill a huge percentage of patients instead of using their best judgment to save patients? https://kirschsubstack.com/p/the-single-...-interview

24 This JAMA paper shows that COVID and influenza vaccines don’t work. Why are we pushing a vaccine where the statistics clearly show the vaccines don’t work? Not for infection, not for hospitalization, and not for death.

25 The consistency of the data. There have been no counter-anecdotes showing the vaccines are safe. I keep looking for one and come up empty.

26 No debates with anyone prominent promoting the government narrative. Those who promote the narrative refuse to engage in any scientific discussions to resolve differences of opinion. This is similar to the question of whether vaccines cause autism: nobody who thinks it doesn’t is willing to engage in a public discussion about it to discuss the evidence. Why not resolve the issue through dialog? It isn’t resolved in the peer-review literature where half the papers say vaccines cause autism and the other half don’t. Why can’t we talk about it?

27 Fear and intimidation tactics are used to silence dissent. Open debate would be more productive. But people are not allowed to hold or discuss views that go against the “consensus” or they will lose their jobs, their certifications, or their medical licenses. Health care workers are told they will be fired if they report an adverse event to VAERS, there are nurses who won’t talk about anaphylaxis after getting the vaccine for fear of being fired, vaccine injuries are covered up, hospital workers are afraid to talk about it at work.

28 The cognitive dissonance is very disturbing. When healthcare workers bring up the topic of mortality and morbidity due to the vaccine, their peers say nothing and walk away.

29 Censorship tactics employed by the US government to silence dissent instead of public recorded open debates. History has shown that purveyors of censorship are always on the wrong side of the issue.

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30    We have exceeded the stopping condition. The Schwab paper showed people are being killed by the vaccine. The paper established that the rate of deaths was sufficient to halt the vaccine as unsafe. Nobody paid attention. The stopping condition is one death per million doses. So if you give 750M doses, you should have fewer than 750 deaths. The Schwab paper estimated that 14% of the people who died within 20 days of vaccination were killed by the vaccine. 14% of 137,000 people is 19,000 people which is more than 750 people. https://kirschsubstack.com/p/the-schwab-...-the-covid

31    Highly respected scientists are calling for a halt to the vaccine. Peter McCullough has called for an end to the COVID shots, yet it falls on deaf ears. Peter McCullough and European Parliament 14 SEPT 23. Dr. Peter McCullough Calls For Complete Stop To All COVID Injections - Not Safe For Human Use: “I submit to you the COVID-19 vaccines and all of their progeny & future boosters are not safe for human use.” http://youtube.com/watch?v=F3StJGMs0Q4

32    The only immunity provided is to the manufacturers. Why, if the vaccines are so safe, is it necessary to have liability protection for everyone involved in the manufacture and distribution of the vaccines?

33    Why isn’t anyone taking my money? I’ve offered millions of dollars to back my claims of harm. To date, just one person in the world, Saar Wilf, has accepted one of my bets, and not for the full $1M offering price. Moderna and Pfizer should be taking my bet, but they are staying clear.

34    The math never lies. Scientific studies are wrong all the time. But Poisson distributions cannot be gamed. Three simple anecdotes: Apple Valley Village (0 COVID deaths in 27 cases pre-vaccine vs. 90 cases with 28 deaths post-vaccine and it’s the same variant; Jay Bonnar who lost 15 friends, all vaccinated, unexpectedly (and 4 on the same day as the shot) vs. 1 loss in his history; Ed Dowd’s book with just one unvaccinated person of the 500 died unexpectedly deaths listed in his book. Any of these would stand on their own, but all three remove all doubt. And these are just a small sample. If the vaccines worked, these cases would simply not exist.

The bottom line is that the:
1    lack of data transparency
2    lack of accountability (no questions can be asked)
3    censorship and intimidation tactics
4    lack of liability
5    real-world anecdotes that don’t match the safe and effective rhetoric
6    health policies that are based politics instead of science

should be very troubling to anyone still in possession of critical thinking skills.

F B
Jan 9
Amazing summary of facts. I was wondering if you’ve seen the Tucker Carlson interview of Dr. Bret Weinstein recalling a scientific conference anecdote of an estimated 17 million worldwide deaths attributed to the vaccine and whether, based on your research, that is an irrational estimate.

Bob
Jan 9
The Covid-19 fraud uses the same pattern as the Post Office fraud

The PO’s unlimited power flows from the UK government that it uses to crush individuals e.g. the post-masters/mistresses.

Likewise the drug-companies power (children are forced by force of law to be vaccinated before they can go to school, hence baseline income is guaranteed by the State.) During covid, this was reinforced by government-force (mandates), using tax-payer’s money against the tax-payers.

In the past it was possible to escape to another country to avoid imposition but now all countries in the West did the same thing at the same time, so escape was impossible, in fact the “freer” countries were worse e.g. the USA, Canada and Australia.

We know how difficult it is to sue the government from the PO fraud of the last 20 years and only a few hundred or maybe a few thousand (including most of our 650 MPs) are involved (why did only a few MPs actually stand up for the > 700 post masters and mistresses who were falsely-convicted? Only James Arbutnot MP and a few others actually tried to do anything about it) - but suddenly, after the TV drama of last week, they are all falling over each other to try to see if anything can be done!!!

This is the same pattern as Covid e.g. the UK government was warned about the vaccines by a group headed by Dr Mike Yeadon over two years ago - so they all knew that the vaccines would be a failure (today the phase III trials have just ended and phase IV has just began (the long-term risks) ) - and what happened from early 2021 to Today? A huge increase in excess mortality! And what are all Western governments doing about that? Nothing, just as they did in the PO fraud - they do this because *they* are responsible, and they don’t want to know.

As an example of this deliberate see-no-evil, did you know that the secret-Pfizer contracts actually state e.g. that the vaccines are intended to “...prevent of the human disease Covid 19…”? (a clear breach of contract).

No, nor did Viva Frei (Robert Barnes is suing Pfizer for lying e.g. “safe and effective”) see from 01:50:00 here:

https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/upost/5...f-the-year

We know from the famous Rob Roos question of Pfizer, that “No, heh heh, we never tested the covid vaccines for transmission!”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0PYZ-zCzOM

The little post mistresses and masters tried to pay off the false-debts that the PO inflicted on them with their life-savings and their freedom (and some committed suicide) and their standing in the community, but the PO (i.e. the State) was merciless, just as Today, even with autopsy-proof of the lethality of the vaccines, the State will not even pay-out the pathetic £120,000 compensation (because the State does not have any money, only your money).

There is an old saying, “The sheep worry their whole life about the wolf, only to be eaten by the shepherd.”

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