The Illusion Of Karma

[Richard]

Karen, that is interesting that Octahedron’s name turned blue. I’m guessing it happened because you copied his name from his post and that’s a link to his profile. Links turn blue or purple.

Doing that pointed out something interesting to me about Octahedron. He is the 13th member and he joined on the 13th. icon_eek

[Octahedron]

Doing that pointed out something interesting to me about Octahedron. He is the 13th member and he joined on the 13th. icon_eek

Right, I joined on 09/13 and 0+9+1+3 = 13 !

Innocent details :big grin:

[Octahedron]

Octahedron[/b],[/b]

Could you please explain, I am always open to others views. Oversoul and grace factor, not sure what you mean. What does karma mean to you?

Example to take into account:

Janet Swerdlow wrote about karmic cords in her first books before she met Stewart,

In her newest book (In search of yourself) she uses a better terminology:

"psychic cords."

Next:

For me Karma represents "PROJECTED MEMORY in the mind-pattern"; in the whole broadest perspective:

Guilts, DNA, experiences, psychic energies and relations in mental, astral, etheric perspective etc.

It is something which is in the mind-pattern, it is not good or wrong but can be heavy, intense or light and little. Karma is a pattern made by many energies in a mind-spectrum.

However these energies are not the highest, I would mean the (higher) angelic energies of the Christ Consciousness, your oversoul immediately is able to elimate any karmic deposit.

That's the energy of grace: it's allways available, but you have to recognize and admit and accept it if you want to clear up your karmic boundaries. Otherwise your own oversoul does nothing to "help" you because it respects your "victimization need", because of respecting the law of free will.

Stewart Swerdlow also told karma really does not exist; ultimately.

The clue to overcome "karma" is how to find and get grace from your own oversoul; Paul Brunton wrote a lot about this in his book; it has a lot to do with deprogramming, forgiveness and helping yourself by helping your subconscious mind and accept the input of your own oversoul (i.e. by prayer, meditation etc).

That's where for example the lion frequency and the golden altar come in, these are useful visualizations to overcome "karmic or psychic cords".

[Astrojewels]

Octahedron,

I can understand what you are saying – quote –

[Karma is a pattern made by many energies in a mind-spectrum]

This is true, and what I have said. I agree that you can create karmic boundaries, but how do you completely rid the energy that the mind projects? Karma is energy, the cause to an affect; I personally do not know a single person living that has completely conquered their pattern of thought. You would have to have extremely low reptilian DNA, and live on top of a mountain, as most of our karma is created through interaction and our response to a situation, your words and quote – [Guilts, DNA, experiences, psychic energies and relations in mental, astral, etheric perspective etc.]  

I have personally established a balance to understanding my own karma, but each day that I breathe, my emotions create a reaction, when a bully picks on my child, she cries and I feel her pain, I respond. My human mind/body, my soul-personality and my Atlantean experience has instilled a solid pattern to respond. To be honest, I would not want to rid this part of my personality; my fighting spirit is my essence. I am very connected to my oversoul, and that connection would never allow me to receive more than I can handle, therefore I never consider myself a victim. I asked for this experience and intend to make the most out of it, I know consciously that includes negative/positive, universal law is a creation of balance or we would never have had to take a human form.  Thank you for your suggestion and thoughts on this subject, I appreciate it, but I feel that we will have to agree to disagree octahedron.

[Octahedron]

Octahedron,

I can understand what you are saying – quote –

[Karma is a pattern made by many energies in a mind-spectrum]

This is true, and what I have said. I agree that you can create karmic boundaries, but how do you completely rid the energy that the mind projects? Karma is energy, the cause to an affect; I personally do not know a single person living that has completely conquered their pattern of thought.

Astrojewels, thanks for your additional comments. I will give my opinion to your texts:



The concept of Karma/Grace is not easy to understand/explain, I know. I'm also still busy learning the concepts, I'm not perfect, but I have the feeling I'm moving forward.

Karma is an energy and is part of the law of cause and effect, yes; But with hyperspace exercises; You can develop and use hyperspace energies/archetypes/exercises (directed with the support of the oversoul) which are more powerful than any karma, IF ..... they are used (without selfsabotage). And of course, the whole mind-pattern is not to be changed so easily, it's step by step. Part after part.

The forgiveness exercises are a good example; also the use of the colors gold and violet leads to effective "karmic" healings, where the color silver seems to be a balanced/between color where karma and grace are coming to a point the oversoul help is involved or better said: allowed. 

An other way of eliminating karma is learning a lesson; the oversoul will eliminate any karmic blockage if the lesson is sincerly understood and accepted. That's where the oversoul agenda in the actual incarnation comes in: the oversoul agenda is of a higher level than the karmic energies. Sometimes here you speak about a grace agenda or bad luck agenda, where Karma is not involved.

Example: a murderer who killed many people and is afraid of being punished creates a heavy karmic monster for himself. However if he regrets and wants to repair all the damage done by him to others and learns his lessons and mistakes sincerly, he can connect to his oversoul and thus connect to the Christ consicousness to better his life from now on and forgiving himself and others. In this serious case the karmic monster can be eliminated in 1 moment. The murderer in this case co-operates with his own oversoul and is able to change his own oversoul agenda.

[user=148]Astrojewels[/user] wrote:

You would have to have extremely low reptilian DNA, and live on top of a mountain, as most of our karma is created through interaction and our response to a situation, your words and quote – [Guilts, DNA, experiences, psychic energies and relations in mental, astral, etheric perspective etc.]  

I have personally established a balance to understanding my own karma, but each day that I breathe, my emotions create a reaction, when a bully picks on my child, she cries and I feel her pain, I respond. My human mind/body, my soul-personality and my Atlantean experience has instilled a solid pattern to respond. To be honest, I would not want to rid this part of my personality; my fighting spirit is my essence.  

This is a good example: you talk about a solid pattern, so you create your boundaries, because in this way you're blocking some of your own oversoul connections volunteerly, because you want to protect a fixed mind-pattern, thus a fixed life experience. Its'a need to get more control instead of being open for opportunities.

Also, you talk about a fighting spirit, interestingly to know I (still) also do have one; but it's making things unneeded difficult; The only way to step forward in life with this kind of mind-pattern is creating and building on good "karma" to use your own words. Almost an un-executable job. It's leading to an indirect victim-mentality; because the surpassor-mentality is eliminated in this way; and also the oversoul facility is in limbo.

[user=148]Astrojewels[/user] wrote:

... I am very connected to my oversoul, and that connection would never allow me to receive more than I can handle, therefore I never consider myself a victim. I asked for this experience and intend to make the most out of it, I know consciously that includes negative/positive, universal law is a creation of balance or we would never have had to take a human form.  Thank you for your suggestion and thoughts on this subject, I appreciate it, but I feel that we will have to agree to disagree octahedron.

Again, the good news here is, you are in connection with your oversoul, but in a balanced way; I almost want to say here: You want to control your own oversoul, thus controlling the doors of grace.

I can appreciate or support your desire to a balanced connection to the oversoul, because it tends to lesser extreme situations in life, I guess in life: good-luck/bad-luck. However sometimes a fully open door to the oversoul can be very needed.

I also appreciate your concept of karma, which I don't see many contradictions in to my concept of esoteric knowledge. The extra thing for me is the miracle/surprise factor of (earning & getting) the grace of the oversoul, which convinces me the "Karmic things" are not so heavy as they seem to be. We agree and disagree; a good basis for learning from each other.

Thanks for your attention.

Octahedron

[Astrojewels]

Octahedron,

I completely understand what you are saying, however you will not persuade me, and I am sure that is not your intention. I am definitely not trying to surpass my oversoul, this is impossible and the logic of it would have no purpose.  

We are not created on a production line; therefore our flow of energy differs. We receive information on many levels. This is why none of us are correct or incorrect in the way we clarify our explanations of knowledge, our levels of life-stream experience projects energy to draw those to us who can guide, and those who we may guide.

Everything in life consists of energy; karma is only a fraction of that ‘everything’. Many people structure their release work on the ‘outcome’. However, I disagree and always begin with the source, because the ‘outcome’ is merely emotional energy that clouded the balance in the first place.  

Octahedron said-

The only way to step forward in life with this kind of mind-pattern is creating and building on good "karma" to use your own words. Almost an un-executable job. It's leading to an indirect victim-mentality; because the surpassor-mentality is eliminated in this way; and also the oversoul facility is in limbo.

This is a good example: you talk about a solid pattern, so you create your boundaries, because in this way you're blocking some of your own oversoul connections volunteerly, because you want to protect a fixed mind-pattern, thus a fixed life experience. Its'a need to get more control instead of being open for opportunities. 

All that you have said on this link is based on others knowledge, I appreciate your comments and advice, but please do not make judgment; I am definitely not on a fixed life-stream. Judgement is a creation of negative Karma.

[Octahedron]

Octahedron,

I completely understand what you are saying, however you will not persuade me, and I am sure that is not your intention. I am definitely not trying to surpass my oversoul, this is impossible and the logic of it would have no purpose.  

Yes , this is true, not to persuade you.

I mean not to surpass the oversoul, but to "limit" the oversoul connection as a way of personal preference. Not bad or good; The soul has a free will in relation to the oversoul.

[user=148]Astrojewels[/user] wrote:

We are not created on a production line; therefore our flow of energy differs. We receive information on many levels. This is why none of us are correct or incorrect in the way we clarify our explanations of knowledge, our levels of life-stream experience projects energy to draw those to us who can guide, and those who we may guide.

Good point.

[user=148]Astrojewels[/user] wrote:

Everything in life consists of energy; karma is only a fraction of that ‘everything’. Many people structure their release work on the ‘outcome’. However, I disagree and always begin with the source, because the ‘outcome’ is merely emotional energy that clouded the balance in the first place.  

Interesting viewpoint;

Personally. I try a mix of both ways:

1) backtracking/releasing the sequence of programming issues from effect to cause; to get a desired balanced outcome, yes.

2) Activate new healing energies from the source by affirmations, oversoul meditation and color visualizations.

[user=148]Astrojewels[/user] wrote:

All that you have said on this link is based on others knowledge, I appreciate your comments and advice, but please do not make judgment; I am definitely not on a fixed life-stream. Judgement is a creation of negative Karma.

When using the word "you" in explaining things, I mean speaking in a general way, not personally. English is not my first Language.  I was trying to give an extreme other concept where the Oversoul powers are able to eliminate any Karma (good and bad).

Take it easy, it is not my intention to judge anyway :)

 

[PurpleParrot]

I have read most of the posts --will read the rest later...Thank you guys for starting this topic and sharing your thoughts and insights onto the matter...

these are some thoughts i had inspired from these posts....

there was a time in my life (my teen years)where I thought karma ruled me..and I had to always be what I thought I had to be--altruistic as I could be..honest as possible..pure.....it was a rigid way....i developed fear of my karma....the idea of karma changed for me when I was 20...it still keeps changing...

I want to keep examining my intent before I take action(as I have been told that if I do everything with pure intent then things will be better for me)...but then I want Oversoul to just guide me to the right action..that was what I had prayed for a few years ago before I even knew about Oversoul...I had read the Bhagavad Gita..and I had thought that perhaps I can be cleared of karmas(at that time I was sort of abandoning the concept of karma but still trying to understand it at the same time..if that makes sense?) if I just follow the path of the yogi --where my body and mind are always in union with my Oversoul and soul personality....is it as simple as that?? I thought that was the simplest solution to correcting myself and getting myself to a good state of happiness..or leaving the earth plane..escaping the cycle of reincarnation here. However, when I had come across the works of the Swerdlows, everything changed for me....i found many of the things they said made sense and were also practical...there are some things that i might not fully understand or accept..but...I know that if I keep doing my inner work and connections with Oversoul...I"ll get my own understanding and knowledge of how things work here...

I'm not sure what it is I seek anymore in my life but I'm still seeking.....not sure what the correct path or way is for me.....other than just accepting every state/experience I am in regardless of how adverse it may seem......learning from it all...and gaining happiness and higher understanding from it all...perhaps i just want a furthering of unity..or that i just want to be a better human......of always feeling safe and like i belong somewhere...

i sound confused..but i want clarity...maybe i'm just seeking the best way to live..what are the best rules to live by....

[Astrojewels]

You are truly beautiful PP.

[William]

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