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Will Obama Be Sacrificed?
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By George Paxinos
10-15-8
 
The court case of Philip J Berg against Barack Obama to prove that he is an American citizen, prior to his possible assumption of the presidency, is still pending.
 
According to latest reports I can find, Obama has still not definitively proven himself an American citizen.
 
The reason for this delay is not clear, unless indubitable proof is unobtainable.
 
For careful methodologists like Zbigniew Brzezinski, who seems to be Obama's prime backer, this appears an unlikely oversight, although it is so small a slip, so easy to overlook, especially if only verbal assurances had been given him when he took Obama on as protege -- apparently, according to Webster Griffin Tarpley in his book "Obama, The Postmodern Coup", as long ago as 1983! -- that it might have just slipped through the tight mesh of "best-laid plans of mice and men".
 
Certainly nobody would invest a quarter-century's worth of time, effort and money to deliberately torpedo his own candidate at the last minute, no matter what sort of disruption to the electoral process it might cause, because unless he had a stake in another candidate who would replace his own, he would assuredly thereby lose control of the steering wheel to one he was not backing.
 
Should Obama be able to prove his nationality before the election, all is well and his way seems clear in this probably worst-case US election in history, for whichever way it goes, war, likely global nuclear war, seems assured.
 
Should he not be able to do so ­ or his backers find themselves unable to obtain proof that might satisfy a court of law ­ there are several scenarios that might play themselves out :
 
1. The Democratic Party does a quick shuffle, Joe Biden steps down in favour of Hillary Clinton, and she goes on to an easily-assured victory;
 
2. It is too late to change candidates, because ballot papers are already printed, so, in the little time left, electronic balloting becomes mandatory and the party owning the largest stake in the machines wins;
 
3. The public chaos resulting from the removal of a prime candidate prior to the election causes the vote to be postponed indefinitely, and perhaps martial law to be introduced; or
 
4. An Obama, devoid of absolute proof of his nationality, is killed to become a sacrificial offering to political expediency before proving his citizenship, stirring up great and malevolent public sentiment against the incumbents who, to the public, will appear to have deliberately removed the only candidate they, in their ignorance of his true backers and the imense implications of his already-stated intent to escalate the war in Afghanistan and even if necessary invade Pakistan, can see only as a martyr.
 
That would certainly cause chaos enough to introduce martial law, but it might also effect a tremendous swing of uncontrollable public emotion toward the perceived underdog and bring in Biden or Clinton in landslide victories.
 
Certainly, waiting until a court might prove Obama a non-citizen would be catastrophic for public trust in the Democratic Party, Obama would be reduced to the status of a common criminal facing trial for campaign monies wittingly accrued and the Republicans -- whichever candidate might be left ­ would sail in unhindered.
 
If YOU had been backing your own well-groomed racehorse for the big sweepstakes, and had at the last minute found out that he was ineligible after you had put lots of trust and money into his candidacy, what would YOU do? -- cut your losses? -- the knacker's yard, the glue factory? 

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#2
Just provide the birth certificate Mr. Barack Hussein Obama.  It's that simple.
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I really wish he would produce a birth certificate soon as another scenario occurs to me. Let's say Obama is elected ,which at this stage of the game is most likely. Let's say he is elected without said birth certificate and it later surfaces and is not a US document.This might set precedent and crack the door to allow for Scwarzenegger to become our president. Not nice .  

 
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a Pres. elect. with a name of Barack Hussein Obama.

USA has 2 arch enemies with these names:

Saddam HUSSEIN

OB(S)AMA Bin Laden

I bet George Bush jr. will stay in the White House as vice-Pres. i.e. under Cheney, in the case of an emergency decision because of the financial crisis etc.

BARACK means concentration camp or jail
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[color="#0000ff Wrote:Mercy Now[/color]]... Scwarzenegger .....

YES!  I have wanted to say this...... this has been in my mind...!

Let me clarify, I do not really want to see Schwarzenegger as President, but I have these *feelings* that he might be headed that way in 2012.  The current scenario with Obama I thought would play out like this:
  • gain the hearts and minds of many voters, he is a skilled orator.
  • build momentum toward the White House - 10 points ahead in the polls.
  • then comes a controversy about a *BIRTH* certificate.
  • hear outcry from the peoples "BUT HE's OUR MAN, we love him"!!!
  • changes made to US constitution -- this part: " "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. "

..... and that opens the door for Schwarzenegger!!!

i always come back to the quote of his made in the 70's (?) --->> "I'm going to america, I'm going to marry a Kennedy and I'm going to be President of the United States".
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#6
You gotta wonder why the McCain campaign hasn't made the birth certificate issue an issue?
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[color="#0000ff Wrote:Sily[/color]]
[color="#0000ff Wrote:Mercy Now[/color]]... Scwarzenegger .....
  • changes made to US constitution -- this part: " "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. "
Remember, however, that Barack's situation is different from Arnold's.  If Berg could prove his case against Barack, then Barack would not be a US citizen at all--natural born or otherwise.  To qualify Barack for the presidency under such circumstances would require a monumental change to the Constitution allowing even illegal immigrants to become president.  I don't see that happening.

Arnold, however, is clearly a US citizen--but a naturalized one, not a natural born one.  It would require a much more modest amendment to the Constitution to make Arnold eligible.

That said, I recall that Barack's website posted a copy of Barack's reprinted birth certificate obtained in 2001 (so clearly not the original long form certificate).  This form stated that it is prima facie evidence of birth in any court proceeding.  In general, in a legal proceeding, prima facie evidence can be refuted, but the burden of proof switches to the person contesting the prima facie evidence to show it is bogus.  Thus the burden of proof appears to be on Berg to show that the existing 2001 copy of the birth certificate is invalid--not on Barack to show it is valid.

On another note--anyone in Canada?  Anyone have an opinion on Julian West's withdrawal as an NDP candidate?

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Thanks for that reminder and correction Violet. I have been pondering just what you wrote of .

My thoughts exactly on both points..above and below.:D

I wonder what value ,legally speaking,if any ,there would be on the mother/parent being American.


Also as for splitting hairs I am of the opinion that making a big deal of Obama's association with Bill Ayers is just that.... splitting hairs. Bill Ayers ,as a college professor, has had association with many a public official.



 

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[color="#0000ff Wrote:Violet[/color]]Arnold, however, is clearly a US citizen--but a naturalized one, not a natural born one.  It would require a much more modest amendment to the Constitution to make Arnold eligible.
Also, remember that if the Republicans were to gain serious legal traction in an effort to have Barack declared a non-citizen, a challenge to the constitutional eligibility of John McCain would also almost surely be raised.  John was born in Panama in territory to which the USA no longer has any legal claim--AFAIK there is no legal precedent to John's claim to be a "natural born citizen" either.  As such I think splitting legal hairs in an effort to get Barack disqualified might backfire on the GOP.

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[color="#0000ff Wrote:Violet[/color]][color="#0000ff"]...[/color]I think splitting legal hairs in an effort to get Barack disqualified might backfire on the GOP....
I think McCain is safe.  The Senate passed S. Res. 511 A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.  But, who knows, I say, never say never, in the land of Politics.

I guess I'll just see how this all unfolds, or not unfolds.  :)


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