"de"programming

[Proph]

Everything exists all the time, whether we're aware of it or not is the issue right?  So.. what does the deprogramming actually do?  Produce a higher level of awareness that's beyond the "negative" events or?

Proph

[DreamTime]

Good question, Proph. Yes people...what exactly does deprogramming do besides make you more paranoid? 

I think you kind of got it right, Proph, when you said that it brings a greater awareness of who and what you are.   Do I have that right, people?

[Astrojewels]

Very good question, and deprogramming is as complex as programming, the difficult thing is that there is not much information out there about deprogramming. If we were to compare those who are programmed to those that are deprogrammed, what would our percentages be? I could not even take a wild guess at that one!
I believe that we are in our early stages of really grasping the actual ‘definition’ of deprogramming and it can not be defined into a single word or sentence because each person is programmed differently.
When you first receive the information that you are programmed, I suppose it can only be compared to the same reaction as if the doctor gave you the news you have cancer. So on receiving this news, it is then that the force of your ‘will’ or your ‘pull’ reacts.
Firstly you must accept you are programmed in order to combat it. Once you accept then you activate, and then you can evaluate the things you have done in your life, and the programming gives you a sense of understanding to those events and occurrences, but yes DT it can make one very paranoid to begin with.
I could also use the example of an alcoholic, once this person accepts they are addicted they fight it, they do not erase that part of their life, they merely grow from it, they become better people from the experience and the actual battle!
Basically deprogramming should give you a sense of achievement, tolerance, exhilaration and excitement, your life should be much happier and content. Deprogramming does not make everyday a fairy tale, you still have dramas, yet the difference between the programmed and deprogrammed is how they get through the drama, you trust yourself in a way that you could never imagine.

[DreamTime]

Thanks for your answer AJ.  I will try to keep my dramas to a minimum...

[Proph]

Astrojewels,

I'm not so sure I can agree with your concept of deprogramming being a "fight" or "battle" or something suggesting that becoming aware of programming and the fact that you let that programming operate in your brain which is temporarily yours in your incarnation here is necessarily a "hard" struggle.

I would be more inclined to go with a concept that you made the best choice you could at the time(in a limited awareness state, especially childhood) and now that you are more aware you should use that to your advantage and find a way to be even more aware, thus giving you better understanding of who/what/when/where/why in regards to the choices you made concerning the programming. (on all levels, not just in this material reality)

I personally started with self-hypnosis/autogenics and meditation and conscious dreaming when I was a teenager and became aware something was not optimal for me to live a happy life. Since then I've learned more ways to become aware and better understand the who what when where and why.. still learning the how here and there. An example would be the most obvious programming that exists; mainstream media(movies, tv, music). It's quite simple to find subliminals embedded in audio and video of any given TV show, either in the form of layered symbolic programs or activation of already programmed programs.

So, when I asked what deprogramming is, I guess I was questioning the concept and if it's even real. I mean, if you create a computer program, it exists. You can't technically deprogram it, however you can decompile it and recompile it and etc. So, is deprogramming even necessary or honestly useful? And, what exactly are you "deprogramming"?

Our unconscious mind in interaction with our physical brain stores every bit of sensory data we ever get in our entire lifetime. And, when it's said we only "use 10% of our brain"(which is false), they really mean that we might only be aware of a small part of activity occuring in our unconsious and we possibly could make applicable use of that incoming data and those unconscious(mostly) abilities.

So, maybe changing our reality perception filters is actually what is going on, or am I incorrect in assuming that the "programming" we are looking to deactivate is not necessarily only mental and/or "spiritual"?

This is getting too philosophical a post for me, cause now I would have to get into the nature of consciousness itself, which even I am not 100% sure about.

I'm curious though. So any discussion on this topic is welcome and appreciated.

Proph

[Polly]

In my opinion I think it is useful, Proph, because the thousands of split-off fragments of consciousness which were walled off and operating outside of awareness must be returned to the soul mind.  Even split-off fragments of consciousness which did not occur because of programming must be reunited with the soul mind in order for a being to move on. 

Whereas regular trauma and upset can cause fragmentation of consciousness, the intentional splitting of consciousness which has occured during programming organizes these fragments into a matrix which functions with an agenda.  Either way, the fragments must be returned to the whole.  The whole cannot move on to higher levels unless it has all of its parts intact.

[Proph]

So, technically it's not deprogramming, it's more like recombination? Similar to soul retrieval?

Umm, if pain/trauma associated with an event causes a split, and there is say 3 fragments and they break away and are put together into a new fragment and programmed to do x. Then if you find the programming of that fragment and decompile that code to recombine those parts back into the whole, then allegedly the being will be more whole right?

Are those 3 fragments that became another fragment actually ever separate from us? If so, how, I mean in what sense/context?

If they aren't, then merely rearranging should solve the problem, right? (which is why some NLP methods work maybe)

Another question that arises, is, can you learn what you're here to learn from experience if you're a whole being who never feels pain or etc.?

So, is there a negative to "deprogramming", in the sense that you may be hindering a spirit/soul from learning what it needed to by "fixing" something?

Also, is there a measurement tool that can be used to know how much/what level of pain and/or trauma and/or other events could/would cause a fragmentation of the psyche/consciousness of any given being at any given time?

Also, what specifically is being fragmented? Only the "mind", the "soul", or what specifically?

Thanks. :)

Proph

[Polly]

Proph, to answer your questions as you asked them:

Technically and ideally the program given to the fragmented part would be discovered and voided.  The fragment is "deprogrammed."

Yes, allegedly the being would be more whole when fragments are reunited.

Those fragments are separated and subconsciously walled off from being retrieved w/o some kind of intervention.  They are operating on a different level though still connected to the whole.  They often operate in oppostion to the whole.

I don't think rearranging them as you described is ideal.

Whole beings feel pain and can certainly learn better if they don't fragment in response to trauma or hardship.

I don't see a negative in deprogramming as you described.  Programming is definitely a hindrance which needs correction in my view.  :)  Programming is designed to keep the being from fullfilling their intention for that life.

There was much experimentation done to determine how much trauma people could take to shatter their minds and still survive it.  Many did not survive.  Even without programming, all sorts of life experiences can fragment a person's mind.  It depends upon the person. 

So many terms are used interchangeably and can be given different meanings in different contexts but I would say the mind is being fragmented - the mind being an expression of consciousness, an extension of the soul.  Lol!  That really cleared things up, didn't it?  :D

[Proph]

Hmm. So, why would our soul/higher self/etc. let an event happen if it would cause fragmentation?

And, if it was supposed to happen, then how do you know when to collect that part when it's time for it to return?

Proph

[Astrojewels]

Proph,
I was actually referring to specific programming and not general mainstream, yes you are correct and general mainstream is not a battle, but specific is and the programming is not contained in the brain, it is in the mind, the electromagnetic energy field and the genetic structure, so it is more complex than mainstream with the subs, movies and news. Mainstream is for everyone, specific is for particular individuals.