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LOL!!! Shannon, has always been a fun person to debate with. you better watch out, she wont give in either :big grin: Love ya shannon!!
ive been really busy at work, so i havent had much time to respond to any of this yet.
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Well the Talmud is what is the closest relationship to what a lot of people follow here, which are the 'laws of creation', otherwise known as 'lore'.
At the end of the Talmud (original document not edited by israeli govt) says that the 'Mystery will be solved September 19th....'.
I read the talmud that very day from start to finish. If it wasn't 'God' that allowed me to read it that day, then what was it :)
Yes i know of the dead sea scrolls and other texts, but you forgot to mention the 'Keys of Enoch' which is a bible on its own.
Also the fact that in revelations that it states not to 'remove or add' to the bible - yet the bible itself talks of about 8 other books which aren't included.
And I suppose the fact that I kept pushing 'Genesis Chapter 6 Verse 4" to many church leaders who gave me different explainations all the time and some even dumbfounded and couldn't explain it. If they had the holy spirit, the spirit will be able to explain it to them.
What about the wheel of Ezekial?
These are things that are backed up in the Talmud as well as Keys of Enoch.
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I read that page of the talmud you have - and that is based the Israeli modified version.
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Okay, I really don't see God allowing His "word" to be corrupted Hence why the book of enoch isn't in there....i don't see that book to be "authentic" or unique. Th 66 books of the bible flow together with harmony and consistency, and that book doesn't fit in with the consistency. I believe in the ALMIGHTY God, and I believe his word to be infallible. If the book of enoch was "supposed" to be there, it would be there because God is all powerful and could do it.;)
You say there are 8 other books that the bible speaks of that aren't in the bible....show me the references:)
What is a nephilim?? I don't get why they couldn't "answer' this question and were dumb founded by it....all a "nephilim" is, is a bigger being....what importance are you saying that a "nephilim" has in this life only to have been mention twice in the whole bible??
Its not hard to believe that people lived for thousands of years back in the beginning, why would it be hard to believe that there were bigger people???
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Queeniierahl, Just wanting to know if you know or does the bible say how old the world, this world is? Ive been told its , the age, is somewhere in the bible!?!?!
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Nephilim? Are you reading the International Version??? I was always told to go back to the most original and that was King James - i'm pretty sure King James ver doesn't give it a name! Either way - I was referring to "when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them". Can I please have your interpretation?
What were the 'sons of god'. Why is it different to 'daughters of men'?
Also you didn't explain Ezekials Wheel.
66 is infallible? To me that means it was put together my 'man' and not holy spirit of man. It states to not 'remove' - yet there have been.
Isn't 6 the number of man, 7 number of god/perfection, 8 the number of Christ, 9 the number of lucifer? So 66 means the 'past and present' with the future being left out, a past and present created and put together by man ie the bible. 3x6 (you know that magic number), is past present and future created by man. (look at the fibunachi code, 144 being part as the number of perfection, and a cycle of 144,000 years).
Now I am mistaken, I had to dig up as I was a bit rusty, but there are foretold to be 80 books, 8 (past - christ) 0 (present - neutral) = christ). Not 66, (6 = man = past and 6 again = present moment).
Also, then you would know the books (and letters to other churches) that are missing as they are also mentioned 'in' the bible.
Also with regards to lucifer, why is he referred to as the 'Morning Star' yet Jesus states that 'he' is the morning star, and now there is debates that it refers to 'Venus' being the morning star. So the bible itself states that Lucifer and Jesus are 'both' the morning star?
The church at the time removed all references to books that have re-incarnation mentioned, why? Because it gave their power away, they wanted to keep control - and thus it will return on them.
Yes the i believe in the 'Almighty Creator', the 'Great Architect' the 'Universal Source', whatever you want to call it, but for a man to be born of total godly knowledge, thats a hard one to swallow?
Jesus said 'let he who have no sin cast the first stone' - well he didn't throw a stone either....why, because he too was with sin.
Really bugs me when Peter Costello, treasurer of Australia said 'And didn't jesus say - I choose to go and be with the taxman and publican'. I'm sure he missed the point, he chose the taxman and publican because they were the ones that needed to be taught the most.
Jesus/Jmmanuel (his real name) Was a fully spiritual person, he understood the laws of the universe, he was able to walk on water, he was able to turn water into wine, because he knew ancient law.
When he went into the desert for 40 days and 40 nights, and had satan on his back trying to convince him to turn stone into bread and jump off the cliff so the angels would save him - do you think that he was literally seeing satan? Jesus states he was with no water and no food - he was delirious in the desert, satan = ego. He was speaking to himself trying to stop his own ego/satan from taking over. He became fully spiritual after that - it was a self initiation and pure meditation.
The bible is metaphorical and is a good accumilation of historical events. Scholars state that the biblical earth is only a few thousand years old, yet its scientific fact that indeginous modern man, have been on earth for over 60,000 years!
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Well, im going to gather up some resources with some of my spare time today and answer your questions later tonight or tomorrow. But after that I will be done in this convo and can't say that i'll be sticking around here. No offense anyone, im sure you all are lovely people. But i've made it clear of my beliefs, and knew that they were different than yours and everyone elses in here, but not once did I belittle anyones beliefs with my own as you have done lion..no offense, but you referred to my beliefs as slave like, and im feeding into "their" game and said my mind is being "controlled" as if i've been brain washed and have no mind of my own?? I've come to my faith on my own, it wasn't pushed on me, i wasn't raised this way, and someone didnt beg me to go to church. It is very hard as you said in an earlier post, to discuss and debate things like this with tact and w/o offense, which is why I was hesitant to even be a poster on this board. I knew there would be much up for debate and it could get offensive with the different perspectives.
But anyway, i'll be back with one last in depth post with rebuts on your last few posts Lion.
Anyway have a blessed day!:)
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I suppose it was an assumption on both our parts, because I did believe you tried to belittle an important belief over the Talmud, quoting on the 'authenticity' and thus I did the same over the whole bible - which i've questions for many years.
Either way, good luck on your endevours, wish you all the best.
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Lion Wrote: Nephilim? Are you reading the International Version??? I was always told to go back to the most original and that was King James.
Lion, Im just wondering. Didnt King James Re-write the bible? So what was it before King James got it? I mean, was it the dead sea scrolls or the Talmud or?? And I was being serious about I thought somewhere in the bible it gives age....
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If you wanted to get technical, the bible originally was written in aramaic/greek/hebrew texts...and then it was translated to KJV....
And i'll answer your question William as soon as I have the resources pulled...I don't know that the bible gives an actual age, i know alot, but not everything. :nod: But i'll find out from my sources what the bible says about the earths age.
Most of my sources come from my husband. He has extensively studied the bible, theology, and every religion available for study for comparisons....im still learning...lol But I assure you i always have a answer even if it takes me a little bit to find it....:big grin:
And lion, sorry for offendign you about the "authenticity" of the talmud...im questioned on the authenticity of the bible all the time...i dont take it as an offense though....I only took offense to your words of belittleing my beliefs a little personally because you said the basis of my beliefs were "mind controlling" and slave like etc...not just questioning the authenticity of a text. that is more personal attacking than questioning the authenticity of a text in discussion IMO....but anyways no worries.
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