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[Octahedron]

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The only way that we can overcome the energy that binds the program is to work together, to discuss our experiences and without judgment, we have to put it all together because that is our one major fault as a species, and it is the everyday weapon that is used against us.

We are able to make our own weapons (yes, technology, they do exist).

The hot item is; these weapons have to be individualized.

A step understanding this is to detect which deprogramming/reporgramming methods do work the best, only for youself.

I think a good way is sharing experiences and at the same time hold some aspects of experiences pure private.

[Astrojewels]

Yes I agree octahedron, and the process can be long in finding out which programs exist, and how to combat them,  “you can only be programmed according” so you must always begin with your genetics, and I have found the other way to really understand who you are is accepting the fears you have, but once again, if you have to ‘self-analyze’, this can be incredibly difficult because we really don’t want to know or admit our faults.
Also, one of the greatest challenges for anyone who is specifically programmed is to battle the ‘power/control’ energy, no matter how you come to be specifically programmed, each person that is has boundaries placed within the altars that exist in the ‘combined’ programming.
The power/control switch, if I can call it a switch, enables the programmed person to accept they deserve certain things and emotions, and they give their power to combat it to ‘they’ (those who instilled the switch). This is totally not true because I have to say all the people I know who are specifically programmed are genuinely kind hearted and good people, so why do they deserve it? Because they believe they do!

[Octahedron]

Implants and confusion in or about society also give wrong self-perceptions.

Confusion is not a small issue.


The switches or activations of alters or triggers have free room when confusion is everywhere.

The case of "vigilante programming" is to be considered as very dangerous; in the book it is stated they are often male and with low social profile. I do not buy this.

I even think there are many "vigilante handlers" in higher social positions like accountants, CEOs, ex-directors, ex-officials, retired company managers and THEY can warn or activate something for the Illuminati.

 

[Astrojewels]

Octahedron,
Yes, confusion is a major player in the role of activating and controlling the triggers. I also agree with you that vigilante is not a program that instills a low social profile, I find it actually to be the opposite, assassin is more likely to have the low social.
Vigilante is also instilled in many women, vigilante is an ‘overlay’ or you could call it an ‘add-on’ it can not work alone; it must have something else to drive it like monarch, Greenstar or scorpion programming.
A very common aspect of vigilante is the childhood must introduce ‘survival energy’ so divorced parents, abuse or being raised in a tough neighborhood. This program is instilled usually with the activation of the base chakra because this is the energy point that allows the process of vigilante to be able to work further into adulthood. There needs to be a base line to activate and express this program, and I also found the majority of those who have it, have Germanic, Scandinavian and Viking genetics that are connected to the Aldebaran and Pleaidian races.
The attributes of such a program requires the person to be very ‘switched on’ they observe everything around them, it is very difficult to observe or monitor them even from a distance or through technology, they are always on survival mode and think extremely fast. I personally consider this particular program to be a mistake for those who try to control us, because the people that have it are the ones whom have exposed a great deal of truth.

If the obstacles of this program are kept in control and the person is aware of the triggers, I actually consider this program to be very constructive and no way negative.

[Octahedron]

Yes, the "survival mode" of Vigilante is to be recognized.

Many people are triggered to "survive" if their standard belief system is in danger or challenged.

I've encountered many kind of harsh attacks on the internet/other forums when speaking about "conspiracy items". It's not even for conspiracy items, but also in many other usual cases if you not behave standardized according to them.

i.e. Not using a cell-phone or just saying you don't want a navigation system in your car can trigger other people. You won't believe, but that's life as it is today.

Despite somebody is able to manage his own triggers, do not forget many other vigilantes still do not know of their programmings and do still the work for the Illuminati.

[Astrojewels]

Yes octahedron,
There are more people that do not know they are programmed than there are that do! the other problem is some people do not deal with programming very well, I have seen people search for that something, they know something has happened to them and when they get the answers, it has actually made them worse, because the deprogramming endures so much self-reflection that it can be overwhelming.
It is a difficult situation all round with no direct answers, and when you are in mainstream, you must know how to understand people straight up, so having a sense of perception is imperative or you face continual attacks like you say, stand up straight and be confident with what you know and other times just walk away, all that matters is you know the truth and you do not have to convince others, unless you feel it is your purpose to do so.

[Octahedron]

.. you must know how to understand people straight up, so having a sense of perception is imperative or you face continual attacks like you say, stand up straight and be confident with what you know and other times just walk away, all that matters is you know the truth and you do not have to convince others, unless you feel it is your purpose to do so.

The search is for finding a comfort zone to be balanced and protected while within the "people" and being aware of the most sophisticated technology and conspiracies.

This creates also needs for emotional organization skills.

[Astrojewels]

Octahedron,
I was in this exact situation the day after you spoke of it, and I was thinking of you during the event, I will try to keep this short, I was at lunch with friends, and a friend of a friend ‘coincednetly’ joined us. Within 5 min she was someone I knew I did not want to talk with, she was a feminist eco extremist, telling us that we are wasting good food when there are starving kids, and she had to add that she had a college degree for social service and economics. she was raving on about how good charities are, etc. so I could not help myself and said that 99% of them are corrupt, so she took this personal and the conversation was going nowhere and she was trying to convince us that we were to blame because we were eating! She was trying to tell me about the problems of the world, please are you serious! I did not take it personal the things she was saying, and I could sit there all afternoon and debate with her, but why waste my energy?
So I just got up half way through her ranting and said I will see you all later!
So octahedron, I knew that she does not seek the truth, and she is heavily programmed into society, my ego did not keep me there in a debate that is hollow and without purpose, because I would be surrendering my energy to her just by trying to prove my knowledge against hers.
What do you think?

[Octahedron]

AJ, I think this is the right behaviour.

When it is very obvious you're wasting your time, there must be an end ASAP, if possible, do it with diplomacy.

[Mercy Now]

  Astrojewels wrote

Octahedron,
I was in this exact situation the day after you spoke of it, and I was thinking of you during the event, I will try to keep this short, I was at lunch with friends, and a friend of a friend ‘coincednetly’ joined us. Within 5 min she was someone I knew I did not want to talk with, she was a feminist eco extremist, telling us that we are wasting good food when there are starving kids, and she had to add that she had a college degree for social service and economics. she was raving on about how good charities are, etc. so I could not help myself and said that 99% of them are corrupt, so she took this personal and the conversation was going nowhere and she was trying to convince us that we were to blame because we were eating! She was trying to tell me about the problems of the world, please are you serious! I did not take it personal the things she was saying, and I could sit there all afternoon and debate with her, but why waste my energy?
So I just got up half way through her ranting and said I will see you all later!
So octahedron, I knew that she does not seek the truth, and she is heavily programmed into society, my ego did not keep me there in a debate that is hollow and without purpose, because I would be surrendering my energy to her just by trying to prove my knowledge against hers.
What do you think?


AJ,

I totally agree that debates can be a trap of the ego. I do however think there is a difference when one speaks from compassion and not from power. I'm well aware of my Achilles Heel as it were,and consciously keep it in check. Comes a time though when I'm willing to take a couple of hits for the truth then they can take it or leave it.I think you did the correct thing under the circumstances.