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Drugs Used For Mind Control
#21
Never mind. I'll try to explain. Please bear with me, given it's a bit long.

I do think there are plenty of substances being spread through all levels of society with the specific goal to control the populace's mind. And some of these substances, although not immediately thought of as a 'drug for mind control' turns out to be-come (i.e. it is 'be coming') a substance abuse issue when taken into a broader context - such as alcohol made too freely available to teens as young as 12, 13, a.s.o.

The alcohol binge drinking amongst teens especially in England, Germany as well as other places has increased dramatically. Most weekends, there are plenty of alcohol-induced comatic kids & students admitted to hospital.

An alcohol coma not only influences the brain's learning capacity or its ability to exert conscious control over oneself but kills off the braincells, too.

The effects on a not yet fully developed brain on people that young literally is a 'through the backdoor' tool to influence their brains, their behaviour, their ability to think clearly & thus make better choices - and even, if, in your understanding this does not fall under the 'category' of mind control, it still is, just like the vaccines babies are forced to by law, to be injected with more than questionable substances.

Mind control & drug dependency go hand in hand.

It's the chicken egg question where it's hard to retrace what comes first (often without being considered as such by the MC victim or the drug abuser at the start of the "needs" attachment).

There is psychological/emotional dependency and there is chemical (biological) dependency, and then there is a mixture of the two, which is the most dangerous & hardest to break but all with the same outcome: a perceived (psychological) or a truly felt need (physical) for something outside of themselves - which leads to the mind being easily manipulatable; or, easy game for mind control, and on a deeper, level, a kid's game to trigger the MC victim.

In other words, someone who has been subjected to drugs for the purposes of mind control may well become dependent on the substances forced on them without them ever having intended to, given it often involves oral ingestion.

Dependency always makes its mark in the absence of the substance needed in order to "function normally" & enable one to control one's behaviour or, one's mind. It doesn't matter whether this is within the specific context of controlling/triggering a MC victim or an individual's growing "attachment" to their substance of choice by way of abusing their substance - the end result is the same:

An inability to function freely of one's own will irrespective of whether a substance is available for consumption or not either by choice or by force in order to control the targeted victim, but instead is replaced by a naturally developed inclination (i.e., 'mind control') of being in the grip of obsessive compulsive thought patterns revolving around:

"I have to have this now!" - whatever (the) programme(s) the drug is supposed to trigger (enforced patterns of thought/behaviour &/or emotional re-actions - i.e., one does not act out of free choice/will but rather out of a feeling of having to) or the substance abuser ending up feeling not being in control of themselves & thus, whether deliberately or inadvertently, has turned into a MC victim, easily triggered.

I understand that you try to warn people in terms of specific substances that might trigger somebody who is mind controlled, or 'programmed' to use the terminology. The issue I see here though, is, that you don't even need to be specifically programmed to trigger you when taking any of these substances in the wrong dosages, with the wrong intentions, or with utter ignorance of the long-term affects any excessive in-take of a substance can have on you when taken over a prolonged period of time.

The difference between being 'triggered' or maintaining a conscious control over natural substances or chemical substances is vital, too. I agree with AJ that chemcial concoctions are best left to not being consumed at all, but there are also herbs &/or plants that can trigger you very badly without any 'addition' from a lab.

Native tribes know more about the natural pharmacy that is Mother Nature than most lab-scientists working underground. It is just part of their natural heritage & knowledge passed on from one generation to the next. The native tribes in the Amazon have such an extensive knowledge of plants it makes most lab-scientists look like kindergarten beginners. They have a cure for everything. Their knowledge is based on over 10,000 years of living in that environment which no regular chemical 'doctor' could catch up with even if he tried.

Everybody & every body - including their brain - is a highly individual autonomously functioning entity. Thus a generalisation of what might prove a right 'trip' (& thus being triggered) to some is maybe nothing but a mild tinge for somebody else. What is poison for your neighbour, thus triggering them badly, might be 'easy on you' by comparison... How one is programmed as you know, also is crucially important.

Again, as you know, MC victims programs are built upon the programmed individual to enhance their naturally given abilities &/or characteristics.

Yet, solely taken from a physical p.o.v, Asian & native Indian tribes do not digest alcohol the same way Caucasians do. They lack an enzyme that slows down the absorbtion of alcohol into the blood stream which makes them drunk a lot faster than an average (even small) Caucasian - I am not sure in how it works within the Aboriginal tribes but they seem to have a similar inclination of getting drunk faster. I believe there is a correlation in that respect as well when talking about the kids' drinking binges mentioned above.

Differentiation of someone's biochemical, psychological make-up as well as the kind of programming &/or conditioning they have been subject to, their natural intellectual or other capacities are vital, in appropriately assessing the risk &/or likelihood of anyone being triggered...

Addiction is often the most effective way to trigger the individual in question & it's a universal theme.
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#22
This is completely bizarro and I have never come across anyone else who experiences the same but caffeine can very easily put me into a strong suicidal state.
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#23
Caffeine/coffee increases the speed of switching between alters.

about alcohol:

Could it be, red wine can be a help in "Deprogramming" or bypass a program ?

I have the feeling, in some "grounded circumstances", drinking red wine can help bypass a program, implant or trigger.
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#24
That sounds a  little crazy, even for me:P But I have no idea. I react strongly to caffeine too, and even though it scares me, what you say sounds likely Octahedron.

If one is programmed to use a certain drug, would they incorporate that drug in the programming sessions?
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#25
Caffeine speeds up the thought processes.  It can sure knock me for a loop.  It can make me feel crazy inside and unable to cope with the high anxiety which brings on the compulsive suicidal thoughts.  I tend to zing around like a hummingbird anyway so adding caffeine to the mix can put me over the top of what I can tolerate. 

Another weird thing about how I react to certain drugs is if I was to take a tranquilizer it would unleash my creative energy instead of making me feel drowsy.  In other words, it would make me feel what I would label as more normal.

Any substance can put one in an altered state.  That altered state can be to perform a programmed function or to come out of a certain alter when a function is over.

 
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#26
Polly Wrote:Caffeine speeds up the thought processes.  It can sure knock me for a loop.  It can make me feel crazy inside and unable to cope with the high anxiety which brings on the compulsive suicidal thoughts.  I tend to zing around like a hummingbird anyway so adding caffeine to the mix can put me over the top of what I can tolerate.
Apologies for maybe being somewhat blunt here for a second Polly, but that sounds as if you're a nervous wreck, not programmed (sorry...just putting on a slightly spin here for a minute...)

Going by your reply you're oversensitive & coffeine, as you rightly say, does speed up the thought processes so, that to you, it might be that it 'strikes' you from one moment to the next once the coffeine gets into your system & 'rattles your bones' metaphorically speaking... Making you more nervous than you (already) usually are.

Again, if you are oversensitive it can be a very normal reaction to feeling that coffee is a trigger (believe me, you're not the only one who reacts that way to coffee & they are not programmed, just to make the point here...!) . Some people just don't do well drinking coffee & it has absolutely nothing to do with programming - it has to do with their nervous system (which is located in the brain).

Just thought I'd shed a different angle & perspective on it for a change.

Quote:Another weird thing about how I react to certain drugs is if I was to take a tranquilizer it would unleash my creative energy instead of making me feel drowsy.  In other words, it would make me feel what I would label as more normal.
Do you see what I mean?

This confirms what I've said in my reply above - 'tranquilizers' (green tea could be labelled a 'drug' because it calms you down as well as other homeopathic essences depending on your physiological make-up), you feel easily 'shaken up' & thus a 'tranquilizer' would bring about the opposite result with you (it feels to me as if your nerves are raw & have been for quite too long, really...) & when you are in a more relaxed (i.e., calmer) state of mind, your creativity comes to the fore.

Quote:Any substance can put one in an altered state.  That altered state can be to perform a programmed function or to come out of a certain alter when a function is over.
You can talk about this until you're blue in the face, the point is, that when you go to sleep you're also in 'altered state' - with or without drugs. There is rarely a moment in our waking state where we are not in an 'altered' state of consciousness depending on what kind of work one does or what we happen to do during our spare time, it just doesn't register as such because it's part of our human condition...

When we do something we enjoy (i.e. painting, or a hobby, playing music, running, or stroking an animal, etc., etc), we automatically 'switch off' & go into a "relax mode" - that doesn't mean we're necessarily 'programmed'  - we just happen to calm down & open up to a certain stillness in our state of beingness - which is what you refer to when talking about tranquilizers...

Our mind is resting, if you know what I mean - it takes a break & it needs to in order for it to function at its best. If we were to be in a constant state of feeling 'I'm being triggered' or, a nervous wreck, we'd be like the proverbial dog trying to catch our own tail - we run around in circles unti we believe that's the only thing there is.

Giving it solely the 'programming angle' keeps you further 'trapped' in your "alteredness" if that makes any sense...

A 'blank' moment phase is something every human being goes through on occasion & sometimes for more repeated periods at a time - it doesn't therefore necessarily have anything to do with being 'triggered' by a drug that 'calls forth' a certain programming module - it's part of our being "asleep" while thinking we're awake...;)

The human mind (i.e., the physical part being the brain) is the most unexplored & least understood organ of our physical system. To reduce it to nothing but mere 'programming' isn't doing yourself or humanity at large any justice given that it is still very much an unknown & non-disclosed "landscape".

Man has 'travelled' to the moon but they haven't even begun to truly unravel the mysteries &/or complexities of our brain & how it works. Up to now scientists have not yet even managed to 'locate' where in the brain "consciousness" resides.

Programming is a part of it but is far from being the only sole driving element in how your nervous system works.

Yes, there are altered states of consciousness but they do not need to be referred to as strictly being 'programming' layers, instead they are different l[color="#0000ff"]evels of consciousness[/color] - a split consciousness is more sensitive to 'drugs' (or, should I say, substances that are perceived & experienced as being triggers) than a wholly well-integrated balanced individual - therefore they can do 'coffee' much better than someone who is or feels 'out of whack'.

And, I would intuit that the same applies to wine or various foods, experiences, a.s.f. The other thing to bear in mind is the physiological aspect that, as I have said previously, makes each & every one of us different & very specifically receptive or antagonistic to certain outside stimuli.

The more integrated & whole one is, the less one is likely to 're-'act to outside influences referred to as drugs, triggers, or [color="#0000ff"]methodologies of thought processes[/color] referred to as programming.
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#27
I'll have to add that my reaction to caffeine also has to do with the solar plexus and the attachment. I'm easily roused in lack of a better word:? So it makes me spin.
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#28
I agree that programming is not the sole driving force for the nervous system, but those who are programmed this is a target area, if the nerves are fragile then it is much easier to access the conscious minds and thought patterns.

It is also imperative that a programmed person does identify the layers of the personality, this is the only way they can recognize how triggering and activation affects them through the different concepts of their life.

All drugs, including alcohol carry energy of intention, it is this intention that affects the individual, so whether it is a prescribed drug, one you bought on the street, at a liquor store, or at your local coffee shop; where did it begin and also how is it made? This is the energy that is absorbed into the body.
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#29
 Xanthas,

Do you understand that programming is attached to what is already there?  That understanding has to be in place.  Anything can be homogenized to make it seem like there is no programming involved with some affect because it is the human condition.  Programming is attached to what is already there!  That is what makes it so insidious.  It doesn't exist in a vacuum.  It doesn't exist outside of the human condition and reality of consciousness.  It is based upon what the human actually is. 

I have to say that I have never come across anyone who becomes suicidal from caffeine ingestion; super-nervous and hyper, yes, but not suicidal. 

I can't respond to everything you wrote and try to clarify what I previously wrote which you responded to because it would take days and I just don't have that kind of motivation.  Sorry.

Do you know what I honestly feel right now?  I feel that you sincerely spent a whole lot of time responding to me but that I wasn't interpreted correctly.  I dislike being misinterpreted and I dislike when I misinterpret someone else.  It really sucks.  I dislike when people read something into what I have written which was not there and vice versa. 

I appreciate that you took the time to respond and I can tell by your posts that you are a caring and knowledgeable person who likes to express your views via writing. 

Btw, I don't interpret everything through one methodology (re: your statement "methodologies of thought processes referred to as programming"), but through many.
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#30
[user=160]Polly[/user] wrote:
Quote:Do you understand that programming is attached to what is already there?  That understanding has to be in place.  Anything can be homogenized to make it seem like there is no programming involved with some affect because it is the human condition.  Programming is attached to what is already there!  That is what makes it so insidious.  It doesn't exist in a vacuum.  It doesn't exist outside of the human condition and reality of consciousness.  It is based upon what the human actually is.

You'd be surprised that I am not new to this – contrary to what you might have read into my reply. And, as is, attachments almost always only can happen with what is there. It doesn't matter whether it is specifically within the context of programming or an 'acquired' attachment as a result from substance abuse.

Anyone who is psychically weak (& thus easily accessed by other energies) or where the psycic barriers have been eroded due to trauma is more susceptible to attract attachments. To limit it to programming is restricting the concept of attachments to programming only whereas attachments can be 'picked up' through much more various means than via the route of mind control. Mind control is only more sophisticated & zeroing in on a specific aspect(s)/part(s) of the personality, but it is far from being a pre-condition to 'host' attachments.
 
I hope that clarifies where I‘m coming from.

Quote: Programming is attached to what is already there!  That is what makes it so insidious.  It doesn't exist in a vacuum.  It doesn't exist outside of the human condition and reality of consciousness.  It is based upon what the human actually is.
And beyond that. I have met more than one programmed person in my life & Stewart certainly wasn't the first one. One was an extremely heavily programmed Monarch, so yes, I dare say I have an inkling what programming is about. I've read Icke's books before I ever met Stewart, and, if you know Icke's work, he is not only very heavily programmed himself but he actually knows a lot about it. From thereon in, I did a lot of my own research. Even before that. So it's not like I never even heard of programming until I was on this forum.

Quote:I have to say that I have never come across anyone who becomes suicidal from caffeine ingestion; super-nervous and hyper, yes, but not suicidal.
That's why I sent you a pm.

Quote:I can't respond to everything you wrote and try to clarify what I previously wrote which you responded to because it would take days and I just don't have that kind of motivation.  Sorry.
You don't need to. I would neither expect that from you nor ask you to. Nothing is as obvious as it seems. Certainly not when it comes to the limited means of exchanging one's experiences via a forum.

Quote:I feel that you sincerely spent a whole lot of time responding to me but that I wasn't interpreted correctly.  I dislike being misinterpreted and I dislike when I misinterpret someone else.  It really sucks.  I dislike when people read something into what I have written which was not there and vice versa.
Likewise... It sucks that you didn't see from what angle I was coming from. As I have said in my above reply, a forum is an extremely limited way to truly get anyone's true energy simply by the fact that ¾ of an individual's energy are missing. The best we can hope for is to get to know one another better by not getting too hung up on how someone might have struck us at the outset. Programmed or not. 

Quote:I appreciate that you took the time to respond and I can tell by your posts that you are a caring and knowledgeable person who likes to express your views via writing. 
Well, Polly, I'm sorry if I have to repeat myself but unfortunately a forum does not leave many other options than via the means of writing – or does it? Just pointing out the obvious (well, at least to me…)

Quote:Btw, I don't interpret everything through one methodology (re: your statement [color="#0000ff"]"methodologies of thought processes[/color] referred to as programming"), but through many.
Nor do I. I am certainly not stuck on this particular emphasis of methodology. It's only a miniscule part of a much larger picture that this forum would not be able to do juctice to because life isn't a forum, is it?

As I said to somebody yesterday – we are multidimensional beings – [color="#0000ff"]individualised Spirit having a human experience[/color]. If you truly think that I am restricting my 'interpretation' of human life to a sole definitive p.o.v of methodology, then, I am afraid, this is saying more about how you view/perceive me (restricted) rather than who I really am...

BTW, I was writing this reply while listening to The Buena Vista Social Club – so that might give you a hint that I was not in any foul mood whatsoever...icon_wink. Nor is this in any way an indication to get into arguments of any sort for the heck of it.

http://www.hyperspacecafe.com/forum35/7094.html (last post).

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