HELP (MICHIGAN) !

[Acceptancedchange]

Stay where are you. You once called me inhumane, but I think it would be inhumane to left your family and your brother. I mean what means really to you if you are safe and they are in supposed danger!?

The problem with red flags is, if it's not from official sources a considerable less are willing to listen.
Especially if you tell them the source is this guy on the internet (who many think is crazy anyway) which your family would after all know about, because we tell them oh so many things.
Some who believe the quake stories say CA is in a state of denial as to what is happening, and that just might be all too true.
I don't know why you're talking about my brother, but if someone should leave, and we love them, we should let them go.
Should I stay because my family cannot let me go or don't know what they should, and keep myself from what is best for me? You can tell me otherwise, and I respect that to a degree, but being in my situation, one thing is sure I have come to know staying here isn't necessarily in my best interest.
And if I have a very valuable connection to my family, I think they should know that without me saying or even if something happens to them.
I believe in multiple lives. Even at once, simultaneously. An earthquake wouldn't be the end of them. So the mere idea doesn't bother me as much as it might someone else.
But I know I have bigger plans than death by earthquake!
I would rather the whole family move out, including insane psycho-man and all that, but if they rather sit and risk it all coming down, thinking the built in resistance of a city can withstand such situations that is their choice.
It's not just the earthquakes; staying for me right now is like keeping myself in the same place mentally and spiritually as well. It's living with someone who always puts their 'well being' above yours (yes, even if that's not their job) at all costs - and living with someone who is so unhappy they want the same for you.
I'm tellin' you, you might be all 'he cares for you' and stuff but you don't know my dad. He borders near clinical insanity. And if you think he can help me, look at the mess he's chosen. And if someone is causing more trouble than they are helping, they just might not be worth the effort.
But away from all the negativity, the lack of space, etc even if it's just a nice long break, I see a golden path of possibilities.
I do think I would be both happier and better off on my own. I am a content person, I can be happy by myself. That is probably why although I appreciate others' company and do enjoy working on a team, I am basically singular. Not necessarily a loner.
So if I like to keep things to myself why should I spill everything now? If we all want to be open with our secrets then please, do share some of your own. Or else where's the fairness in that?
I hadn't exactly meant to 'call' you inhumane, surely even you have your soft parts! I simply think you were being inhumane.
Maybe it's just cold hard logic that concerns you and you won't be bothered with the rest, not even to spare feelings. Given that anyway, I find it interesting you're chiding me about 'leaving family behind.'

btw.
Don't believe everything S.S. says, most of it is part of his own End time programming.
And I think you have talent for writing.

For SS refer to previous posts. If you are not willing to read it all when you should have it by now, just do a search and read what is associated with SS.
However I will say to ignore something based on who's saying it is running a big risk. Earthquakes, that's a lot of disaster we're talking about.
I'm not sure what to do with that. I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean; to ta-ta my points under the guise that I'm just a sweet talker (and I have heard this before) or it be a genuine compliment. If it is sincere, thanks for saying something nice for a change.

AC please read your on posts again coz' I seriously cannot be asked to do so. I really don't have the energy to listen to your endless ramblings on that the more you go on, the more it becomes obvious you don't know want you're actually talking about other than being a completely brainwashed SS fan.

Xanthas (-if you are still listening, that is or rather reading my posts) I do not have to read my posts because I already know what it in them. That is the point of you reading my posts.
And then can you please tell me what you can seriously be asked to do? Take responsibility for yourself? It seems not, because if you do not want to read my posts, then you should not have been talking to me at all in the first place.
You can yell at me without reason, but cannot sit through a little reasoning? You can try and point out my flaws, but cannot take your own medicine? Well hey then you've come to the right place because Hyperspace Cafe is about working on such problems - not avoiding the responsibilities.
If you desire to do anything you want on a whim without taking responsibility I should have you know, that doesn't mean you have avoided the consequences; that would just be piling them up. So time for me to remind everyone; of a little story called The Princess and the Pea. But we all know how that goes. And I don't want to type it all in or go searching for one of several possible versions (a very very short version, given your patience.)
So let me just reveal the moral which might not have been included in the children's storybook we were all supposedly read. I am going to do that by simplifying all the characters and scenery... Having as no matter what the version of the story, you cannot change the basic elements.
In the story, the pea = 'problem,' or rather 'problems'
The princess = 'person' or rather 'people'
In case anyone hasn't put 2 and 2, together the story indirectly tells us to get to the root of things/problems rather than pile things on top/over it. That no matter how much insulation you will use, you will always feel it, because it will always be there. In fact, going through all that trouble to avoid the problem, rather than getting out the effort to uproot it, will only frustrate you, if it does not waste your time and energy among sorts.
This dynamic with the pea as a sort of catalyst for the concept of problems makes much more sense than a physical princess physically feeling a physical pea beneath all those mattresses, let alone one.
Is it not interesting you don't have the energy to read my posts but after hardly having read them decide you have the energy to blast me for it? Perhaps you've blown yourself out. In either case I still think you would have more energy if instead of denying your problem, (because I don't know how many problems you've done the same with, for sure) reduced/eliminated it as necessary so every time you find yourself in a situation that brings up that problem, however old at least you can say you are not in the exact same situation.
But perhaps the more you are confronted the more you turn to denial, surely you can admit that it is one of the possibilities of what could be going on, but either case you can call it whatever you want as long as you also avoid any actual reasoning. Wouldn't be my choice, but that seems to be yours.
Rambling? I have also heard this before. That lame-ish insult is simply major dismissal without any address.
I also might repeat "for SS refer to previous posts" but you mind as well admit you aren't willing to support that accusation. And why make claims if we can't support them? It's like lying, you can simply get caught.

It bores me stiff to be honest.

Okay, that is fine with me. It is not really a point I would say so I know by emphasizing it as if it was its own paragraph is only to tell me again, that you don't care which is why you shouldn't still be hovering about the thread but at least you are being honest for once.
Maybe if you read it in the first place it wouldn't build up.

I'm sure Emerge will hold your hand to get you over to Michigan in one piece & with no hair out of place but please leave me out of it from now on. I can't be asked any longer to even read what you repeat in different forms & various manners.

LOL! I guess you were funny here for once.
I should be able to reserve enough right as to bring up a few points, at least.
If you don't want to listen, you don't have to. In fact as much as you value my opinion or as much as you have been reading my posts you mind as well block me.

Why don't you start a fund to support "AC's cause" to get over to MI - Emerge can be your first sponsor & when you have enough dough together, you can hitch hike to MI for all I care.

^_^ How sweeeeeeet... Then I should suggest you start an 'I hate AC' fan thread (I have one more idea but you probably don't care--whoops. There it goes) but I'm not sure you can do that here.
You must find great fun in telling people how inconsiderate you seem to be. I am not going to look for your story because I don't care that much either, but I am guessing you have been hurt badly so you have chosen to develop a somewhat careless attitude, thus you don't care to really involve yourself in anything much (or at least show withdrawal to when situations get difficult) or don't care much for the world as a whole, just avoiding your problems.
I've apologized, among other things and as usual you wouldn't even think of returning the favor. But if you don't read what I write, you can't read my apology.
These are all your problems. Don't say I didn't tell you.

I don't talk to walls.

^_^ Oh is thaaat why you don't talk to yourself... icon_biggrinicon_razz

Ciao baby.

Wooot now go clean the cabinets

Weird, eh? As if I'd known... You keep surprising me, too Sariel...

I thought you were leaving?
Well that finishes my note, basically you didn't do much but dish out unsupported accusations. Then after saying you were leaving again, again did not. You make it too easy for me to predict you. If I were you I wouldn't play me in chess. That, or I'm just well at such predictions. icon_biggrinicon_razz

I omitted to list the real 3rd moral of the story Sarial in case our young friend took it wrong, given she seems a little ummm, touchy shall we say.

*raises eyebrow* Okay, but I'm not the one getting all personal.
It's an interesting point, the bird not keeping its mouth shut. But that only adds more reason to there being a hidden moral, similar to sayings like "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" etc or "Curiosity killed the cat" or "Some things are not meant to be found" or "The truth is better left unsaid." Some snippets or parts I find can be quite true, but most of the time it seems to serve as manipulation of fear.
Perhaps it's most truth, part lie. Either way, I cannot simply ignore the negative part.

So as you can see, perhaps AC would have taken it wrong, and contrary to what some others may think Sarial, I do not enjoy or like upsetting people, and I am not referring to young AC; she's a good girl at heart.

I say what I see. If you want to reply to the immediate reason I provided when I read the story with your own reason, I would be glad to see if it's true.
But I'm not going to believe in a story just because someone's talking over my back.
Just because the moral was meant to be one thing, does not mean it cannot lead to something else. That is why I think Greek myths are dangerous, I find plenty subliminal negatives.
Why thank you for your kindness.

There is a difference between purposely setting out just to upset some one and showing them who they really are, because the truth can tend to hurt...

Everyone here has whatever we judge to be positive or negative in them, just because we like to reject/cover/hide/ignore the darker stuff doesn't mean when it comes out, others can see all we are and everything we could be. We are not just the dark, we are also the light.
As for you thinking you know who I am, where I'm coming from, etc, that is ahead.

Now listen young lady, relax for a minute, I'll say it straight and I hope you understand.  No one is kicking you, no one is trying to put you down... that's why I posted the story about the little sparrow as it very applicable in this issue.

You seemed to have reacted personally to my question of the story, so it does certainly seem you invest more of yourself in the story than one might at first think. That might mean you greatly appreciate the humorous, I'm not sure because I don't really care to waste my time thinking about it.
Then after getting all uppity and offended you want me to relax? /: |: D If you can't see yourself I was quite relaxed when writing that post, I'm not going to waste my time on each post to let you know I am.
Perhaps you should relax yourself. You were saying you don't act on negativity or whatever because it gets you nowhere or then you might be judged 'bad/negative' by yourself or others or no one/nothing in particular, but point is you are more irritated than you want to give off. Otherwise why would you possibly be talking down to me? If you're not irritated as heck, then heck you sure are going out of your way to shove your beliefs in my face. But that's just it, isn't it? And if you are not irritated as heck your previous responses to my responding to the story would make much less sense.
I wasn't complaining or trying to tell anyone I felt victimized, I was pointing out a clear thing. If you don't think anyone is kicking anyone here, nor was attacking/being aggressive towards anyone, again I think you should read more carefully.
And if it is the case no one is kicking/attacking/etc anyone else then given what the story is about I'm not sure exactly why you would want to post the story unless you admit some people were being nasty, however hard that is. Yes, the story is about things not being what they seem to be, but it still has to do with people crapping on each other.

Given the way you are continually perceiving others who are trying to help you as though they are attcking you, I can tell you that you really do need to somehow toughen up a little to the reality of things.

It seems like we are going around in circles. Maybe we are?
You think I am thinking of things wrong because things are not always what they seem and that I should toughen up.
I think you are reading things wrong because you seem to like giving input rather than taking the time to read it, especially if it resembles a rebuttal by the slightest and should read more carefully.
Perhaps because it is so much easier. That is after all why anyone projects in the first place, just as sometimes, people think it easier to avoid rather than confront problems.
And no, I have not been saying that everyone was attacking me or out to get me. But there has been a few that were overly reactive/blatantly hostile.
Really I am using reason and am not trying to make things up and certainly am not interested in making myself a victim.
If you do not even see both the strange and sudden aggression of xanthas' post(s) then I can't do anything about that and that is your problem.
But ever since I've questioned the story or rather philosophy of yours you don't seem to want to read anything I have to say. That is okay, because you don't have to stay. If you want to be like that you would be doing me less help than you think, and might like xanthas simply be proving that you don't hold my best interest, and yes you are trying to 'get at me' for some reason for another.
I am not saying you are out to get me, I hope you don't take it wrong.

No one in this life will ever treat you as though we live in a fairytale...

Anyway all of this might explain why you are trying to give me advice I already know.
I think I might just have a picture of who you think you're talking to, if you keep talking like that.
You may view me as an ignorant little teenager, or whatever you wish within your free will, but why should you be so sure of yourself if you are such a strong distributor of things not being what they seem?
That is why I might say I was being optimistic, and it would be unbalanced of you to assume only that I expected 'fairy tale' treatment or anything as such from this thread.

If you are wishing to become an adult, and why shouldn't you, then you should really be looking at trying to develop a more matured approach to things. Now hold on... let me finish.

Well you had already said people are treated nicer when they are younger, had you not? No, I'm interested in what I need and what is best for me.
I don't rely so heavily on aiming for maturity to boost my self image. People can get ironically petty when it's about maturity. If I am intelligent or aware of any one of the many things listed under maturity, I will know that.
You might not have to tell me much more, I already know by now that you have proven to miss much and even through wanting to be all good and wise, you know me little.
That does not mean I will ignore you, though.

It has become exceedingly apparent to me that what you are REALLY looking for is NOT a change of premises, but rather a change on your ability to accept the truth that others indirectly pose to you about yourself.  This is why 'the universe' has made it almost impossible for you to leave home right now (financially etc); because WHAT YOU SEEK you WILL NOT find anywhere else but within YOU.  Do you understand?

Lol, well, indirect isn't the word I would use...
Then surely you are mistaken in what you see, because who in my situation would not desire a change of the premises?
I'm not sure if this is your desire to be wise and good getting in your way again, but that was simply unwarranted! Are you okay? Do you feel alright? Are you sure you're not just a little crazy? *feels forehead*
Okay, so, seriously... what are you accomplishing by telling me what I want or that I'm simply immature without even providing why you would think so and what it's backed by?
Xanthas said that 'something' gave her the feeling or this or that, but didn't prove to be very logical.
And I'm not 'writing whatever I want', it just got me wondering...
At least, you don't see me looking down my nose at you and telling you who you are, or rather what I think you are. That to me does not seem like the mark of maturity.
If we cannot see to the same level, how can we see eye to eye?
To me the speech about white and black simply shows desire and effort, which is a start. But people can also be blinded by their dreams. That is most unfortunate.
Now I dooo find it out of place for you to state what is and what is not truth. Without being very objective you seem to be telling me regardless of what others are saying that whatever anyone wishes to say, it's true and it is simply that I cannot accept it. You will probably deny this, but by plain words, that does seem to be what you are saying. Which is why I find it most unreliable, as you're not saying quite what you see as true about me and not mentioning much of what others might be saying about me and how much is true.
You would need to make sense of people being both positive and negative first for me to take what you are saying to heart.
I can accept how others see me, but I would not nor should I be so quick to accept it as truth.
I dislike it when others take advantage of others' in this way, why should I let this happen to me? There is not much any reason to letting more of it happen, period.
It seems like you keep revealing what you've said in a previous manner only after you've said it. This is why I like to keep everything clear.
So simply and plainly, do you think I should be objective and logical in discerning others opinions or not? What is it about myself I am not getting? How much can I trust the random many opinions of many random people?
I would appreciate if you were straight and upfront, most importantly clear, instead of changing your story or deciding you haven't said it all each time. Because that wouldn't be helping anyone, only make things more difficult.
I do appreciate if others try to help me, not if they put their own bliss over the difficult situation of another. Because if this is the case, then they may as well have already made up their mind whether or not they truly do want to help.
Well well let's not be so quick to assume ourselves to such final conclusions or tell others what situation they're in and why they're in it...
It could after all, simply be all that low self esteem we all have but so few seem to have released or even realized. I don't know if I have more than the usual amount, just that I certainly am not done releasing and clearing it out.
Perhaps it is simply that I am supposed to rely on myself or learn to get myself out of situations rather than wait around or sit in them regardless of what happens as it is better than putting yourself or keeping yourself in one same situation for a long shot.
Oh, all the possibilities...
I already know that the answers I seek are within me. That goes for everyone. And that is why I find how I see myself more important than how anyone else sees me, especially considering they could be just anyone. What we each think of ourselves matter most. If we truly think we are WORTHY, for example we would not resort to ignoring others' negative opinions in the first place because we would have more to cope with handling anything.
Nor was I asking The Truth from any single person when I opened the thread, only hoping for a little help. It was more of a backup plan than a last resort.

Leaving home right now is the worst thing you could ever do, because it will prevent you from reaching the level of maturity and inner strength that you require to be able to then go out into the world and live a successful and content life.  Know well that once you reach the right level you will be able to go wherever you wish without asking anyone's advice. You will do it as easily and as effortlessly as you now leave home to go out shopping or visit a friend.

On the contrary, it could help me dig deep. After all, sometimes 'reaching the level' is about struggle. You said yourself it's not always easy.
Besides, I think the idea you're thinking of is one who belongs to a more safe and nurturing home. Sometimes, homes are not fit - for children or adults.
Do understand I am not dependent on others' advice to leave, I simply put, thought it might be wise to consider others' input just as I have considered or weighed the possibilities.

When the time comes and you are ready, I can assure you that if you read back on this thread and what everyone else has told you, it will be very apparent that no one was ever trying to put you down in any way.

I wouldn't put it that xanthas was trying to put me down from the start for sure, I think somehow (and I hardly understand why) she was hurt and was set off.
Either way I think it was unreasonable am not one to stand there and take everything, especially if there's little reason in it, and that's not hard to agree with.
I know what I want, and it is not to have someone's leftover temper. That is not what I am here for nor should I waste the time.
Perhaps when a period of time has passed and it is not so easy for you to dismiss me simply because the number I'm standing on I will let you know.
I won't go out of my way trying to remember and reach you, of course.

Your first step is to get a job.  I know that is not simple, but neither is life and that is where you want to be.  Do whatever it takes to become a little financial, not just for the money, far more importantly, it will help you to strengthen your character, which will also strengthen your perception of what others are truly trying to tell you, and that will strengthen YOU.

If you haven't already said this, others have. I appreciate the sentiment but as I said from the start, I would have to wait until I am of legal age before obtaining a job.
But I think I have it worked out.
I believe strength is more than something that has to do with what others think/say of anyone aside from being able to face/tolerate it, and comes strongly from within.

That's the best advice I can offer you AC, and know well, that I would offer the same advise to any young person who is at the same level of developement in their life as you are now.

Oh do some more than others know age isn't so strictly tied to development as one might think.
It is easy for you to look down on me and you can keep doing that, as I am barely below 17, call it what you want, but I am more mature than most. That I know.

Although... ahem, I can and do switch from smooth logic to playful humor plenty. But that is healthy just as it is healthy to maintain at least some picture of a child's optimism or creativity and such positive traits.
I never said or thought anything about you giving different advice.

"Take it easy, it will all work out ONCE you have focussed on what it is that your really need, and not on what you want."

I think that is great advice, just why should we stop and limit ourselves solely to what we need?
I think as long as the two matters aren't conflicting, we should have what we want to. More often than not, it's part of what dreams are. More often than not, what we really what is what we really need.

Again I appreciate your concern and sincerity, though I find you a a very bittersweet fellow.
^_^ Great luck to you too.

I know Tom and what he said about Marianne is true. SS talks about Marianne in Alien Connection. Tom talked with Marianne and found out more than what SS said in his book about her.

Yes! Finally, far after I've already mentioned her on this thread.
I wonder if anyone tried confronting Stewart about allegedly stealing Maryanne's techniques.

[AndrewX]

[user=1298]Acceptancedchange[/user] wrote:

Now listen young lady, relax for a minute, I'll say it straight and I hope you understand.  No one is kicking you, no one is trying to put you down... that's why I posted the story about the little sparrow as it very applicable in this issue.

You seemed to have reacted personally to my question of the story, so it does certainly seem you invest more of yourself in the story than one might at first think. That might mean you greatly appreciate the humorous, I'm not sure because I don't really care to waste my time thinking about it.
Then after getting all uppity and offended you want me to relax? /: |: D If you can't see yourself I was quite relaxed when writing that post, I'm not going to waste my time on each post to let you know I am.
Perhaps you should relax yourself. You were saying you don't act on negativity or whatever because it gets you nowhere or then you might be judged 'bad/negative' by yourself or others or no one/nothing in particular, but point is you are more irritated than you want to give off. Otherwise why would you possibly be talking down to me? If you're not irritated as heck, then heck you sure are going out of your way to shove your beliefs in my face. But that's just it, isn't it? And if you are not irritated as heck your previous responses to my responding to the story would make much less sense.
I wasn't complaining or trying to tell anyone I felt victimized, I was pointing out a clear thing. If you don't think anyone is kicking anyone here, nor was attacking/being aggressive towards anyone, again I think you should read more carefully.
And if it is the case no one is kicking/attacking/etc anyone else then given what the story is about I'm not sure exactly why you would want to post the story unless you admit some people were being nasty, however hard that is. Yes, the story is about things not being what they seem to be, but it still has to do with people crapping on each other.

Given the way you are continually perceiving others who are trying to help you as though they are attcking you, I can tell you that you really do need to somehow toughen up a little to the reality of things.

It seems like we are going around in circles. Maybe we are?
You think I am thinking of things wrong because things are not always what they seem and that I should toughen up.
I think you are reading things wrong because you seem to like giving input rather than taking the time to read it, especially if it resembles a rebuttal by the slightest and should read more carefully.
Perhaps because it is so much easier. That is after all why anyone projects in the first place, just as sometimes, people think it easier to avoid rather than confront problems.
And no, I have not been saying that everyone was attacking me or out to get me. But there has been a few that were overly reactive/blatantly hostile.
Really I am using reason and am not trying to make things up and certainly am not interested in making myself a victim.
If you do not even see both the strange and sudden aggression of xanthas' post(s) then I can't do anything about that and that is your problem.
But ever since I've questioned the story or rather philosophy of yours you don't seem to want to read anything I have to say. That is okay, because you don't have to stay. If you want to be like that you would be doing me less help than you think, and might like xanthas simply be proving that you don't hold my best interest, and yes you are trying to 'get at me' for some reason for another.
I am not saying you are out to get me, I hope you don't take it wrong.

No one in this life will ever treat you as though we live in a fairytale...

Anyway all of this might explain why you are trying to give me advice I already know.
I think I might just have a picture of who you think you're talking to, if you keep talking like that.
You may view me as an ignorant little teenager, or whatever you wish within your free will, but why should you be so sure of yourself if you are such a strong distributor of things not being what they seem?
That is why I might say I was being optimistic, and it would be unbalanced of you to assume only that I expected 'fairy tale' treatment or anything as such from this thread.

If you are wishing to become an adult, and why shouldn't you, then you should really be looking at trying to develop a more matured approach to things. Now hold on... let me finish.

Well you had already said people are treated nicer when they are younger, had you not? No, I'm interested in what I need and what is best for me.
I don't rely so heavily on aiming for maturity to boost my self image. People can get ironically petty when it's about maturity. If I am intelligent or aware of any one of the many things listed under maturity, I will know that.
You might not have to tell me much more, I already know by now that you have proven to miss much and even through wanting to be all good and wise, you know me little.
That does not mean I will ignore you, though.

It has become exceedingly apparent to me that what you are REALLY looking for is NOT a change of premises, but rather a change on your ability to accept the truth that others indirectly pose to you about yourself.  This is why 'the universe' has made it almost impossible for you to leave home right now (financially etc); because WHAT YOU SEEK you WILL NOT find anywhere else but within YOU.  Do you understand?

Lol, well, indirect isn't the word I would use...
Then surely you are mistaken in what you see, because who in my situation would not desire a change of the premises?
I'm not sure if this is your desire to be wise and good getting in your way again, but that was simply unwarranted! Are you okay? Do you feel alright? Are you sure you're not just a little crazy? *feels forehead*
Okay, so, seriously... what are you accomplishing by telling me what I want or that I'm simply immature without even providing why you would think so and what it's backed by?
Xanthas said that 'something' gave her the feeling or this or that, but didn't prove to be very logical.
And I'm not 'writing whatever I want', it just got me wondering...
At least, you don't see me looking down my nose at you and telling you who you are, or rather what I think you are. That to me does not seem like the mark of maturity.
If we cannot see to the same level, how can we see eye to eye?
To me the speech about white and black simply shows desire and effort, which is a start. But people can also be blinded by their dreams. That is most unfortunate.
Now I dooo find it out of place for you to state what is and what is not truth. Without being very objective you seem to be telling me regardless of what others are saying that whatever anyone wishes to say, it's true and it is simply that I cannot accept it. You will probably deny this, but by plain words, that does seem to be what you are saying. Which is why I find it most unreliable, as you're not saying quite what you see as true about me and not mentioning much of what others might be saying about me and how much is true.
You would need to make sense of people being both positive and negative first for me to take what you are saying to heart.
I can accept how others see me, but I would not nor should I be so quick to accept it as truth.
I dislike it when others take advantage of others' in this way, why should I let this happen to me? There is not much any reason to letting more of it happen, period.
It seems like you keep revealing what you've said in a previous manner only after you've said it. This is why I like to keep everything clear.
So simply and plainly, do you think I should be objective and logical in discerning others opinions or not? What is it about myself I am not getting? How much can I trust the random many opinions of many random people?
I would appreciate if you were straight and upfront, most importantly clear, instead of changing your story or deciding you haven't said it all each time. Because that wouldn't be helping anyone, only make things more difficult.
I do appreciate if others try to help me, not if they put their own bliss over the difficult situation of another. Because if this is the case, then they may as well have already made up their mind whether or not they truly do want to help.
Well well let's not be so quick to assume ourselves to such final conclusions or tell others what situation they're in and why they're in it...
It could after all, simply be all that low self esteem we all have but so few seem to have released or even realized. I don't know if I have more than the usual amount, just that I certainly am not done releasing and clearing it out.
Perhaps it is simply that I am supposed to rely on myself or learn to get myself out of situations rather than wait around or sit in them regardless of what happens as it is better than putting yourself or keeping yourself in one same situation for a long shot.
Oh, all the possibilities...
I already know that the answers I seek are within me. That goes for everyone. And that is why I find how I see myself more important than how anyone else sees me, especially considering they could be just anyone. What we each think of ourselves matter most. If we truly think we are WORTHY, for example we would not resort to ignoring others' negative opinions in the first place because we would have more to cope with handling anything.
Nor was I asking The Truth from any single person when I opened the thread, only hoping for a little help. It was more of a backup plan than a last resort.

Leaving home right now is the worst thing you could ever do, because it will prevent you from reaching the level of maturity and inner strength that you require to be able to then go out into the world and live a successful and content life.  Know well that once you reach the right level you will be able to go wherever you wish without asking anyone's advice. You will do it as easily and as effortlessly as you now leave home to go out shopping or visit a friend.

On the contrary, it could help me dig deep. After all, sometimes 'reaching the level' is about struggle. You said yourself it's not always easy.
Besides, I think the idea you're thinking of is one who belongs to a more safe and nurturing home. Sometimes, homes are not fit - for children or adults.
Do understand I am not dependent on others' advice to leave, I simply put, thought it might be wise to consider others' input just as I have considered or weighed the possibilities.

When the time comes and you are ready, I can assure you that if you read back on this thread and what everyone else has told you, it will be very apparent that no one was ever trying to put you down in any way.

I wouldn't put it that xanthas was trying to put me down from the start for sure, I think somehow (and I hardly understand why) she was hurt and was set off.
Either way I think it was unreasonable am not one to stand there and take everything, especially if there's little reason in it, and that's not hard to agree with.
I know what I want, and it is not to have someone's leftover temper. That is not what I am here for nor should I waste the time.
Perhaps when a period of time has passed and it is not so easy for you to dismiss me simply because the number I'm standing on I will let you know.
I won't go out of my way trying to remember and reach you, of course.

Your first step is to get a job.  I know that is not simple, but neither is life and that is where you want to be.  Do whatever it takes to become a little financial, not just for the money, far more importantly, it will help you to strengthen your character, which will also strengthen your perception of what others are truly trying to tell you, and that will strengthen YOU.

If you haven't already said this, others have. I appreciate the sentiment but as I said from the start, I would have to wait until I am of legal age before obtaining a job.
But I think I have it worked out.
I believe strength is more than something that has to do with what others think/say of anyone aside from being able to face/tolerate it, and comes strongly from within.

That's the best advice I can offer you AC, and know well, that I would offer the same advise to any young person who is at the same level of developement in their life as you are now.

Oh do some more than others know age isn't so strictly tied to development as one might think.
It is easy for you to look down on me and you can keep doing that, as I am barely below 17, call it what you want, but I am more mature than most. That I know.

Although... ahem, I can and do switch from smooth logic to playful humor plenty. But that is healthy just as it is healthy to maintain at least some picture of a child's optimism or creativity and such positive traits.
I never said or thought anything about you giving different advice.

"Take it easy, it will all work out ONCE you have focussed on what it is that your really need, and not on what you want."

I think that is great advice, just why should we stop and limit ourselves solely to what we need?
I think as long as the two matters aren't conflicting, we should have what we want to. More often than not, it's part of what dreams are. More often than not, what we really what is what we really need.

Again I appreciate your concern and sincerity, though I find you a a very bittersweet fellow.
^_^ Great luck to you too.

Yes, you're right AC, totally and undisputably right.  I must have been blind not to see all that, I didn't know what I was thinking at the time I wrote it; silly me. icon_datz

You seem to have all the answers to eveything, so much so that I am now wondering why you even bothereed to ask for help from silly people such as us in the first place.  You're just amusing yourself aren't you?  That must be it.

If I have any other questions of paramount importance in future I hope you will allow me to ask you for your advice. 

lololol

Now here's a picture of Doozi, my old little Jack Russel girl.  She reminds me of someone but I can't recall who right now.  She was a cheeky little girl that thought she was a lion, a real little character she was and great fun to have around.

 

[xanthas]

AC still doesn't understand that we can talk to each other without having to address her.

Andrew, what a lovely dog!

Yes, maybe we should declare 'AC' the High Priestess of "know- it-all" & we should make sure to create a 'virtual' 'bee-line' (everyone who has a vitally important question pls get a ticket!) & be submissively waiting for our turn to ask 'one question' to the 'one' self-anointed Priestessicon_party.

The girl oughta go into politics. She'd talk everybody into the ground & even if they'd be 6 ft under, she'd still continue 'talking & talking & talkin'...icon_muede. She'd talk a corpse into dust...

[DreamTime]

Andrew, Anubis wanted me to tell you that he really likes Doozi. Maybe we should set them up on a date...although she would have to do all the talking since Anubis is the silent type. LOL

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Yes, you're right AC, totally and undisputably right.  I must have been blind not to see all that, I didn't know what I was thinking at the time I wrote it; silly me.

Lol

You seem to have all the answers to eveything, so much so that I am now wondering why you even bothereed to ask for help from silly people such as us in the first place.  You're just amusing yourself aren't you?  That must be it.

For knowing all the answers, refer to previous posts.
I guess technically the answers are already there, aren't they? It's not like I can pull anything out of my behind and it will automatically be true. If something is true it tends to be self-evident.
I wasn't expecting any argument.
I am not trying to fight with anyone here.
Especially in a room of readers who glaze over what I say (several still don't seem to know my stance on Stewart) I want my opinion known.
At the same time I am being as polite as I can, and if I still come across as being impolite I do apologize for that.
I would like to make friends, but your and my philosophies just don't seem to be much of a match. That's what seems to be the dispute.
If I wanted a little dispute, I could simply resume posting on the Discerning Deception thread. (Posting which I already plan on doing of course as I haven't really yet replied, been busy.)
One might think however I've had enough of arguing!
In fact the reason I perceive others as trying to attack me is not because I need to toughen up, I was more joking around when I was saying 'ouch, that was a low blow' but I am used to others trying to attack me or use their opinions in under minded ways. And I think myself capable enough to sort the good advice from the less careful.
I have learned to take things less personally and that others' input can be very, very unguided. After all of it I cannot help but at least consider it when evaluating outward sources.
I have already stated the reasons for starting the thread.
I was not asking the suggestions of anyone in particular, as I've said anyone is free to come and go whether or not they say anything.
So I was not demanding anything, nor did I expect anything for certain.
I simply think some of the rudeness that has surfaced on this thread is unnecessary.
Indeed out of the many things I have to do, I take a real life situation and scribble all about it to amuse myself. -.-
You sound surprised. I am going to go through an observation of you now, if you don't mind, just a little one:
First you don't seem to be particularly focused or aimed at anything and are not making thee/thou/thy jokes. Then you bring up the story and don't seem to be very pleased with my observations of it and start making fun of me (however that context/concept is to be taken.) You didn't seem to be taking anything seriously, so I didn't take you very seriously. Then you start talking down to me.
I just want to get across that if you talk down to someone in a self-righteous "now listen young lady" you can't be all that surprised if they in fact do not listen.
But you do seem to think I am ta-taing your advice completely. This is not true.
I'll let you know I am particularly grateful of your saying "don't be too hard on yourself" because it was a nice reminder.
I wasn't aware I needed such a reminder until I thought about it.

Now here's a picture of Doozi, my old little Jack Russel girl.  She reminds me of someone but I can't recall who right now.  She was a cheeky little girl that thought she was a lion, a real little character she was and great fun to have around.

^^ You know what they say, dogs reflect their owners!

Now she is a cute dog...
Well, now I do feel sorry for the dog as you seem to be using her to express your irritation or up turned nose to me.
You can think whatever you want, I just thought you would have more of an explanation in return to when I asked why you were having such confident/certain/sure observations of me on/through the board when we have never even met in person.
(You do not like questions, I will take a note of it.)
I am still not exactly sure as to whether you were saying I can't handle others thinking of me negatively or I can't handle thinking of myself negatively.
True I could have shrugged xanthas off with a "that's a very nice story, xanthas" just as fairly she could have to mine - however offensive or non offensive - but what logic would that offer?
Though when you think about it, all the logic in the world cannot make someone believe something they don't want to believe, for ignorance is strong.
If you are suggesting I lighten up instead of being 'touchy' as you say with others critical responses, I don't think that's a bad idea, and I could do that.

AC still doesn't understand that we can talk to each other without having to address her.

Aha, and yet you are still here, xanthas. We meet again. *puffs up shoulders*
You don't seem to get much of what I understand or think, you seem to be fairly satisfied thinking whatever you want without any address at all.
I do get the careless or dismissive 'talk over your shoulder' attitude, I don't get exactly why you're doing that out in the open, especially when you've said your good-byes.
I think if anything you must be using the 'I am looking down my nose at you, but I am doing it while faced away' thing.
Do you get that while you are talking over me, I am still free to talk to you?
Though if you want to talk without addressing me, you can do it in a more effective way, starting that private fan club for example.

The girl oughta go into politics. She'd talk everybody into the ground & even if they'd be 6 ft under, she'd still continue 'talking & talking & talkin'.... She'd talk a corpse into dust...

Lol! I would be at a particular advantage if the table was seated and surrounded with persons returning your reasoning/patience.
But surely if you'd taken the time to read it you would realize it wasn't that long. After all, you don't stop reading books judging by their size, do you? That's like limiting all the vitamins you could get out of things like spinach or kale because the amount or how long it takes to digest.
So excuse me for saying what's on my mind!

Anyway, at least if I was a politician or president - or even 'princess' I would start with things like household abuse. Instead of shrugging the cold shoulder to all the little people who answer my questions therefore making me strangely upset...

[Sariel]

[user=1298]Acceptancedchange[/user] wrote:

It's living with someone who always puts their 'well being' above yours (yes, even if that's not their job) at all costs - and living with someone who is so unhappy they want the same for you.
I'm tellin' you, you might be all 'he cares for you' and stuff but you don't know my dad. He borders near clinical insanity. And if you think he can help me, look at the mess he's chosen. And if someone is causing more trouble than they are helping, they just might not be worth the effort.

Are you speaking about S.S. here?

I If you want to be like that you would be doing me less help than you think, and might like xanthas simply be proving that you don't hold my best interest,

Are you speaking about S.S. here?

but why should you be so sure of yourself if you are such a strong distributor of things not being what they seem?

Are you speaking about S.S. here?

As you can see, you have amazing logic capabilities. It's just you are not practising them on the right people. ;)

I hadn't exactly meant to 'call' you inhumane, surely even you have your soft parts!

How can you know that I have 'soft' parts?

Wooot now go clean the cabinets

That was very rude toward Xanthas. She is very nice lady and didn't deserve such bad attitude from you. You should apologise yourself.

I thought you were leaving?

She was talking to me.

If I were you I wouldn't play me in chess. That, or I'm just well at such predictions. icon_biggrinicon_razz

That's nice. For how long do you play, and how good are you?

Yes! Finally, far after I've already mentioned her on this thread. I wonder if anyone tried confronting Stewart about allegedly stealing Maryanne's techniques.

Haha, and what the heck she thinks he would tell you? Yes, baby, I did. :D Except you are not a walking polygraph there is no use in your method.

Yes, you do have talent for writing. See for yourself. You could write a novel in a day. :)   

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Are you speaking about S.S. here?

Are you speaking about S.S. here?

etc

Lol

No. Also no. (It could go on like that for awhile, instead for the explanation I'm just going to point you to previous posts for SS as the answers are there.)
Are you saying you aren't considerate or anything similar in any way? That's what I meant when I was referring to soft spots.

That was very rude toward Xanthas. She is very nice lady and didn't deserve such bad attitude from you. You should apologise yourself.

Perhaps she is nice to you, she is not nice to me.
Though she did seem quite polite at first, that attitude took a complete turn and I'm still not sure as to exactly what happened.
But perhaps as to many an insignificant or universal disputes we can distribute it to misunderstanding.
Still I have received very 'bad attitude' if you haven't noticed and she has not apologized herself.
I am not interested in continuing much any dispute, like I said I would like to make friends and everything, but I really don't think she's interested.
Though I don't think someone should get off exploding on some people just because they can be nicer to others.
After all are we not supposed to be nicer?
If making a little joke that was not at all meant to be taken seriously to you comes off as 'bad attitude' I don't think I should trust your judgement or rather evaluation of the matter.
It is of particular importance to you I apologize?
I find it strange you want me to apologize while she's still mouthing off about me. It sounds like doing so heads clearly towards a submissive attitude. What kind of self respect would simply apologizing to please someone who so easily offended doesn't show enough concern for the matter and seems to have more interest in dragging my name through the dirt show?

She was talking to me.

Then you're right that would put the joke out of context... only on page 3 we may see her post to me before she ends it with "I don't talk to walls" and then "ciao baby."
Sounds like she was leaving to me. "Don't know, don't care. Bye." That's how it seems to have gone down.

That's nice. For how long do you play, and how good are you?

I do in fact play chess, but not routinely. It was another joke pertaining to the ability to predict your opponent's move which is so valued in chess, or unpredictability which is also useful as long as it's on your side. Logic and reasoning capabilities are also of high importance of course but I wasn't thinking of that.

Except you are not a walking polygraph there is no use in your method.

My method? I was simply wondering aloud... there is no fault in being interested in what he might say...
But true you don't have to have his blood pulse to get a thing or two out of his response and its several possibilities.

Yes, you do have talent for writing. See for yourself. You could write a novel in a day.    

Anyone could write a novel in a day. For some a crappy novel, albeit...
I do write stories but any of them are far from finished.

[Sariel]

Whatever.

It is your birthdate these days. Happy Birthday!!!

About what are you writing particularly?

Btw.
Don't move, finish the school first (college, university) and then move. It would be much more easy for you.

[Sariel]

Are you saying you aren't considerate or anything similar in any way? That's what I meant when I was referring to soft spots.

I am saying how could you know me if you don't know me?

btw.
It would be nice to play chess with you. Especially , if you play, as you write. :D Just a thought, though.

[xanthas]

[color="#0000ff"]Sariel[color="#000000"] wrote:[/color][/color]

That was very rude toward Xanthas. She is very nice lady and didn't deserve such bad attitude from you. You should apologise yourself.

Merci beaucoup pour ton support. J'apprécie beaucoup. icon_smile Alors mon cher Sariel, dis-moi, tu habites l'Arménie ou quoi? J'ai remarqué que tu as changé l'indication de tes locaux.... T'as déménagé?

Je préfère te parler en français sinon la petite va croire qu'on s'adresse à elle, c'est franchement trop pénible. Par contre, j'assume que tu as entre 35 - 38 ans.... Pas plus.icon_wink

À tantôt.