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#11
No, I'm not trying to get people to see my way. That would be Michael's doing. I'm just trying to show people who challenge my thoughts why I believe in what I believe. I don't do that in the public sections because I realize most people don't want to openly debate because they're made up on their minds. I'm just trying to debate with what I know here because this private section looks like an open discussion.

Edit: Some people might say I'm indoctrinated or mind controlled because I'm in college. Not to brag, I attend the University of California, one of the top rank schools on the west coast, and indoctrination is far from it. There's a reason why UC is top rank; We do not resurgitate facts from textbooks. If you can't find flaws in accepted theories, then you won't get anything above a C-. We have to criticize everything. It's true that as courses progress, there seems to be more indoctrination, because people have to agree on common things, or there would be no lesson plan. But by then, you're convinced most of the theories in your discipline are pretty flawless because you applied your critical thinking. When we become graduates, we have more tools to prove that current theories are wrong. This is how scientific progress is made.

There is no elite that dictates the dogma in science. There is only open debate and proving that your position is reasonable by applying what you see in the world around you, etc, etc. Barbara McClintock discovered something hugely important in genetics in the 1940s that would change the genetics dogma, but her research is not accepted. This isn't because of scientific dogma, but because her paper was poorly written. Only in the 1980s, when another scientist rewrites her explanation that changed scientific dogma at that time, did Barbara win a Nobel Prize.

There's no dogma or mind control or indoctrination in the college institution, so don't say I'm mind controlled because I took those college courses about economics and government.
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#12
Did you study the two gentlemen that more or less discovered DNA? Did you study them? I bet you didnt because their works were not allowed. And if you did study them by chance then were you told or study them enough for them to say they were puzzled why their works is not wide spread? And they even see in the DNA how its been altered to allow us aging and disease even tho we could live much longer and without many disease.

Since you know computers do you think the PC is the one that should of been made the most popular instead of a computer that would be Better? Talking about Operating system here... PC vs Unix and even Macs. But mr gates wins out with a less superior system for the masses.

Did you know the first car produced by Mr ford i have of him slamming a sledge hammer into it. And every single part of the car was made out of Vegetable matter.. Even the fuel... And yet we dont have the technology... why?
Why do we go along with all this junk. Are we just stupid apes?????
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#13
This discussion isn't going anywhere to higher truth. So there's no point in continuing. If I want to reply with something to say, I have to research everything you claimed. So let's just call it a draw.

Continue on with our lives. If somewhere in in my life, I observe what seems to be the work of an elite agenda, then I'll delve into it.
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#14
And that is my point SI ----- Even if I showed you proof, you will still need to find it on your own.

Do not let it get you down.
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#15
And my other problem is how valid your proof is. So there is an obstacle in this discussion for the both of us.
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#16
[color=#0000ff Wrote:SilverInfinity[/color]]



There's no dogma or mind control or indoctrination in the college institution.

Now that is the funniest thing I have read in a long time.
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#17
SI,

 Do I understand you correctly that you believe that because you attend University of California that you are not indoctrinated? Because if I that's what you said that alone indicates indoctrination.

 SI wrote:
Quote:I bet the founding fathers were heavily taxed as well as the pleasants, so they stood up for everyone, in order to stand for themselves in numbers. 

This is true that all people in the colonies were heavily taxed. However there were those in the colonies who were able to make a better living and thus afford the taxes, through the use of slaves and or indentured servants(same thing really). Washington ,Jefferson and Franklin are popular examples . Others refused to use this practice.John Adams being such a person of note. The truth is most riches on any continent ,in any country ,were made on the backs of slaves.It sickens me that this nation's residence for our Executive leader was built by slaves. I actually think it should be abandoned and either  used for a true charitable purpose or dismantled somehow and a new one built with paid ,fair wages labor.

As for the HOR and the Senate for the most part they are controlled by lobbyists $$$$ and or special interests groups. Also don't think these politicians don't know how to play the public.They are politicians for gosh sakes!

 Have relatives who were/are Congressmen and Senators.Not bragging  but to give some reference  from which I draw info.

There seems to be a demagnitized moral compass in operation throughout the world.

Unless the the everyday man on the street can see fit to somehow make time and effort and conviction to have his voice heard it won't change. This can be done without anarchy.


Do some research on who owns the major and even minor media. You may be surprised.
Also ,again, relatives and  other personally known people who are/were celebrities.
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#18
Actually,he's lost his way on this forum.Should I post all the ridiculous comments you have posted?Yea,aspartame is great.More power to you.Yea,Bohemian Grove is just where a
bunch of old farts gather to have a good time with a huge owl for kicks.And now,what is this,you want to join those lovely masons who promote chipping people?
My boy,you're programming is kicking in,isn't it.Do you know how many people like you,I know? Many.I wonder what juicy new tidbit you'll post soon,maybe,how we're all hallucinating and shoud embrace the illuminati agenda.
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#19
My programming is kicking in. Don't talk about programming like that. I have an uncle and someone close to me who is paranoia schizophrenic. It's genetic and I don't appreciate it when ditz are being called mind controlled. Anyways, I'm sorry for expressing my thoughts.
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#20
You can't see the forest for the trees.

SI, this is a Debate, we should use Reference that you can look up and see for yourself. How else we gonna debate?

I think you will see the bigger picture when you travel more and see the world more. It takes time. You are not suppose to get it all at once. We do not force you to see our way but help you understand the world in which we live in.

Here is a mantra i woke up this morning with "If you believe "Their" Bullsh*t then Your Mind Controlled".

I would say to you SI, go read David Ickes - The Biggest Secret -- Then report back to us when you read the whole thing. :) Thats your assignment :)
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