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[Astrojewels]

GB,
I used the racism as an example to understand programming, there has always been a great deal of discussion about brown and blue eyed people being programmed, what I am trying to point out is that people of color or those who belong to a traditional culture, say Asian, rarely need to be specifically programmed because they are genetically programmed through the mentality of the ‘mother land’. The general population keeps that programming active through racism because of the appearance of that person.
Using my friend again, she was from traditional Chinese family, I was from a single parent family, so her limits were from her mentality, because she personally did not fear teachers, or authority but she feared her family and the traditional discipline they followed.
Culture provides a dedication with the mind-pattern and the moment any outside person (someone who does not look the same) criticizes that culture, the person will automatically respond with the defense system which holds you to that nationality even if that person disagrees with the culture. I am in no way wanting to start a conversation about racism and if I offend anyone I apologize.

[Astrojewels]

Spiritvoyager,
I agree with what you say and I am not a scientist so my knowledge with DNA is only superficial, but do agree that the DNA is extremely important to the programming, because programming is so complex and really is structured in a 13 x matrix. The ones who carry the bloodline are born with the genetic programming, I know this to be true by my own husband and daughter, then that original programming is extended to an array of triggers and activations.
Very good point on Oprah, she is a classic example of how people program others, I actually like her and she has done many great things but she does continually consider herself African and is dedicated to the colored people, which I consider a positive energy because both Australia and America were built on the foundation of slavery and imprisonment. She is a very successful wealthy woman, so would she be specifically programmed? As it is said that all people that have that much authority or success belong to the agenda? Personally I would say no.
I would never have doubts to what you mention about those in remote areas, yes it is the food, ELF and the low amount of dead Orgone that is produced constantly in cities and built up populated areas, rural areas offer a more simplistic pattern of living. I think you have a good understanding of programming and totally agree that we are all different in looks, color and creed to keep us separated and physiologically at war.

[spiritvoyager]

Hi Astrojewels,

You have my deepest sympathy and utmost admiration and respect for working with your family to overcome bloodline programming. I don't have any personal  experience with it thank God, but what I have read and heard from those who do is horrific.

Once again I failed to make myself clear by not distinguishing between bloodline programming and other specific programming.  It was the latter I was referring to.  I don't know much about that either.  I have just read a lot of mind control information in the last 10 years.  Fritz Springmeyer, Cathy O'Brien, and others.  Stewart Swerdlow's mind control lecture on Google Video is one the best overviews on Mind Control that I have seen. 

My impression was that bloodline families were carefully kept  genetically "pure" to facilitate reptillian possession and dominance. 

Cathy O'Brien's story indicates that she is not bloodline, but since we now have reason to suspect the veracity of her work, I suppose she could be. (I am referring to the story posted in the Mind Control section of this forum that describes how Cathy was used by Mark Phillips to ferret out and silence other recovering mind control victims.)  Cathy also has blonde hair and blue eyes, if I recall correctly.  She was heavily programmed, whether it was bloodline or not.

Bill Clinton, born to an unwed mother, is reputed to be an illegitimate Rockefeller.  That would make him bloodline.

Stewart Swerdlow and some of his family members were heavily programmed he says, because of his grandfather's? involvement with the Communists in Russia.  I had the impression that he is not bloodline.  I think I have read that he has blue eyes. 

The Kennedys are reputedly one of the 14 families. Something must have gone wrong with the bloodline programming of Bobby, JFK, and JFK Jr.  I have read more about the murders of the latter two, which have all the earmarks of ritual murders.

I completely agree with you Astrojewels about how influential cultural or tribal consciousness is in policing people from that culture to keep them from venturing beyond cultural paradigms.  TV is also extremely powerful.  And the more I learn about sattelites and cell towers, the more I recognize their influence. However, for years, I have watched people in person and in the media with an eye trained by what I have studied and witnessed about mind control.  Maybe I'm being paranoid or overly critical, but I have noticed people, from various races, who seem to be programmed beyond social pressure and mass mind control. 

If I were to guess about Oprah, I would guess that she is specifically programmed to a lesser extent than the above examples, simply because she wields way too much influence to be allowed to be a wild card.   Even though she projects a strong personality that is not easiliy influenced, that could be her front personality. I could be wrong. There are other ways of controlling people.  Blackmail is the next possibility I'd guess.

I also got the impression that specific programming doesn't have to occur in 3D.  If anyone has any thoughts or experience with astral or nonphysical plane programming, I'd be very interested to hear about it.


I do have a personal mystery that I have not yet solved that makes me wonder if I could be specifically programmed.  Some years ago, as an adult, I had what I now think was an abduction memory from childhood surface.  I saw a grey placing a round silver sphere (like a small BB) in my ear with this metal instrument that looked like a long bent wire except for the handle.  At the time, I didn't even know what a grey was - only that what I saw resembled the cover art on a book displayed in bookstores that I had never looked at.  I actually saw this clearly in my third eye while talking on the phone to someone and a chill came over me. The thing that is ironic about this is that as a child, I once had to go to the E.R. to get a small (jewelry) bead removed from my ear canal that I had been playing with.  Creepy huh?
 

[Get Boldened]

Astrojewels, I see what you mean. Traditional asian parents do program fear into their children as early as possible. And that's why fear of parents and cultural ideals (like getting good grades, being upstanding, the male must marry into chinese, etc) is so effectively embedded under the conscious awareness. Treatments for poor grades or disobedience even at a young age are to include a few: yelling at you, physical abuse, kneel at the corner with ears pulled down and lights off, etc. They're traditional treatments. Usually the father does this programming and I see it over and over again with asian friends. These parents don't assimilate in America as well as other immigrants. They don't go to walmart, the mall, or buy convenient chemicals in their homes. I don't understand their pyschology.

And now I agree with you that the general population's racism does reinforce their cultural programming. I imagine that the majority of targetted blacks back in the old days, only identified themselves as black slaves or victims. The human mind was always very pessimistic.

Back to asians. Somehow I doubt their children will try to follow their parents' footsteps. Unlike their parents, they actually go to malls, have a good time, etc.

I find that Taiwanese and Hong Kong people from these generations know how to have fun more. I think this is attributed to Democracy in Hong Kong and Taiwan. (Well, Hong Kong's now became Communist China territory again. You can say that Taiwan broke away from China, because they have been avoiding communism).

I see many asian women dating other ethnic groups (especially white people though if you go on university campuses and look around). Some of the rumors is that they want to avoid asian men because they want to avoid anything dealing with their tradition because the family male member (their dad) was traditional and strict on them. This would mean that at least asian women are trying to get away from the programming. Women are socializing beings, so they adapt better. The same number of asian men could be torn between asian and american identities. These are just my opinions.

[Astrojewels]

Spiritvoyager,
I appreciate your empathy but this is the life I chose from a higher level before I was born and without it, all my understanding would be theory and I would be second guessing if it were really true. I actually think myself very lucky that I share a life with these wonderful people.
There is a great deal of misinformation about programming and it is up to each individual to KNOW without doubt to truth. The major lesson I have learned about the misinformation from the people who do discuss this topic is they focus on ‘overcoming it’ but how can you achieve such a thing, this is your mind-pattern imprint it is the hard drive of your computer, and the focus is to isolate them.
Yes I do know of astral programming and it generally happens pre-birth, but there are many ways to program the person via astral energy.
Sounds like you were implanted and had a memory of it, for you to remember the grays doing this usually indicates a purpose, but just because you have implants does not make you a specifically programmed person, 99% of the population has implants.

[Astrojewels]

GB,
Yes I agree and I have seen the upcoming generation make changes like you say, but you are extremely aware of the essence to the patterns of thought with this culture. Everything to me is astrological as you know; I have always put a ‘generation’ in the time zone of the Pluto cycle. I have done a great deal of research with generations because I have children; to find their intentional global purpose.
Each generation is born with an essence, a rule to break or overcome but each generation is also given the negative/positive energy for that purpose. Just like when Pluto/Leo ruled, the women of that generation fought for equality and during the 60’s burnt their bras and created a new passage for women’s liberties, and we must thank those women for the modern female CEO. Yet there were some who went over the top with it, and actually created separation between the genders because men began to disrespect the identity of the female, and began the ‘porn industry’.
The generation that you talk about is the next step of this era, it has been labeled the ‘attachment generation’ because the genders are merging on a balanced level, young men and women are best friends without sexual desire for each other, children ask advice from their parents, they stay home as long as they can.
You belong to a very exciting generation where race, color or creed will not stop love and greatly being accepted by the parents, and does focus on communication.
But with this great purpose of unity also comes the negative toward the ‘tradition of family’- many babies to many men, or not knowing who the father is! Having babies for a fashion statement etc, and have urgency about them and excessive consumers because they are the pioneers of technology.
I agree totally with you what you say about the Asian men, because the son usually has more expectations from the family, and yes less rebellious.

[Andrea]

Hi AstroJewels-
I was wondering about something you said. How can each individual person KNOW the truth about programming when its is a huge secret, full of disinformation? Then the people who are capable of helping to inform the public either are too scared or really have alot of confusion regarding their involvement or experiences. Not to mention the pain associated with telling the truth and/or reliving the horrible acts they were subjected to and maybe even participated in. To me there really is no certainity.
It seems almost impossible to get an actual FACT because so many people involved directly are STILL PROGRAMMED.

There seems to be so many layers of deception that the truth may be any one of the layers- not just the bottom layer. Then I wonder if the truth programmed people think is true is actually a lie. There are sooo many lies. How is one to really discover the truth when anything seems possible? The more I study about this topic I am really beginning to believe ANYTHING is possible. Its like a wild goose chase, the more you look the more you find, truly a bottomless pit.

My Virgo mind is a tickin' away here.....:)

[Astrojewels]

Hi Andrea,
Good question and hey I love Virgo minds!
The journey is long and yes very complex, it has to be in order to keep such a large population disassociated, confused and at war. Each of us has the power to understand self, and the merging of self –trust is what provides the ability to KNOW, you must experience negative in order to understand, therefore you may find yourself attracted to a person who provides misinformation but during that journey you will find many truths.
Truth is the light that directs the soul, so if it is truth you seek, the light will always be there when darkness shadows your world. I have learned through experience that things are never as they seem, and where your journey is now is not where it will be in years to come.
So yes you are correct to say that each individual may not find the truth of overall programming, yet each individual has the ability to find out the truth of their individual programming and those who share their life, and this takes considerable courage, but you will then understand programming on a larger scale, and what may be considered fact you will KNOW to be deception.
The mind-pattern and soul-personality will always work with you if you trust it, but if you doubt it, then those who seek to control will.
I think I am going to confuse that Virgo mind more!

[spiritvoyager]

Now I feel silly. Thanks for the implant explanation Astrojewels.  I recently made an orgonite piece that I hope will eradicate that problem.  The purpose of the memory was probably to motivate me to investigate who plants the implants, why,  and how they are used. Your explanation motivated me to do so.  I've read that in the hirearchy of reptillians, the greys are worker drones.

I did recently remember something about specific programming.  I think it was Stewart Swerdlow that described the D.C. Sniper (black)as having been specifically programmed,  in is recent C2C interview.  Most "lone nuts", including the recent Virginia Tech shooter (asian), are said to be specifically programmed.



Andrea,

The Knowing you need to absolutely know the difference between truth and lies is not at the mental level.  When you go within and reach the level of your spirit, you can know without a doubt.  That is much more than a notion for most of us.  For me, it has only happened a few precious times, and then, it seems that it was at the will of that higher aspect of myself.  

 I think you have to pursue inner knowingness in a way that feels right for you.  When you are in that place, you will know without a doubt.  I suspect that anyone who could maintain that level of consciousness all the time, would not be hanging around this planet.

Common sense, logic, weighing the evidence, are all extremely important.  It amazes me how many people seem to lack common sense these days.  Something someone said to me long ago still rings true:  Pay more attention to what people do than what they say.  What they do will more accurately predict their future conduct. 

Have patience and faith that you will find answers. When trying to figure things out, I usually file incomplete information in my mental file cabinet until there are enough facts to work with.  I figured that you'd understand that process since Gemini and Virgo are both ruled by Mercury.  (Actually, some say Virgo is ruled by the planet Vulcan, which hasn't been "discovered" yet.) If you have to act on unsure or incomplete information, you can only do your best. 

I think most of us here are trying to figure out how to transcend the Matrix of lies.  If you get burned for being gullible, welcome to the club.:)

 

[spiritvoyager]

I think I am going to confuse that Virgo mind more!

 This Gemini mind is thrilled with the new food for thought.  Forgive me for butting in.  I find your explanation fascinating Astrojewels.  Thanks for the question Andrea.