What is deprogramming?

[myself]

Sorry to burst your bubble but I am that person who knows Stewart and Janet better than you do.

Not bragging but it is a fact. I came here to hear different oppinions regarding their work and purpose. It's always good to have more than one point of view. I am familiar with both good and not so good stuff about him and his work.

[myself]

I hope everyone understand that the main problem is the fact that we are unable to gain access to all the programming info, how it is done, all the details.

The most info comes from programmers that are controlled as to what they release. It is up to each one of us to discover how to fix it. That's why we came here now.


Deprogramming needs to be done mentally. To go higher up you need to use hyperspace techniques. To go even higher, you need someone like MC.

Thee's always that variable : who provides the info ... are they manipulated ? etc

I am not knocking on Stewart by any means. But there's a definite secondary hidden agenda with what he does wether he knows it or not. And I am talking about his work with high level programmed people not all the services they offer some of which are great.

There are people here who will understad what I am talking about.

Stop putting Stewart on a pedestal. Him and his work needs criticism in a constructive way nonetheless. There are people more talented than him, be aware of that. There are also people that had bad experiences like Astrojewles mentioned.

By discussing these issues in a constructive manner, we will be able to discern BS from usefull info.

[Octahedron]

 I rarely write anything on programming here on the forum, I prefer to limit it to personal chat with a small but resourceful group of people, and the only reason why I write this is for those who know what I am talking about, and I have actually been asked to do this. I know that this post will be shredded and broken down, yet without the thought process of the way this post will be scrutinized, I personally would have never come to know what I do about programming.

 

Firstly, yes I agree that programming can not be instilled by technology alone, it is complex and would require lengthy replies.

There are many forms of programming and they may require trauma but not all trauma is ‘physical’, mental trauma injects the emotions much more than anything physical.

On this forum we have always refrained from criticizing SS (Stewart Swerdlow) techniques and deprogramming methods because there are many members here that still belong to his cult, but recently I was given the green light to say whatever I liked, I must also add that no one, not one of you knows SS like I do, but I am not going to turn this into a bitter thread of reprisal, because even though he broke my heart chakra literally into a thousand pieces, I will forever be grateful for seeing a true programmer at work, and the heart heals easy.

I have been accused of no credibility or knowledge, I have studied and researched programming for almost 20 years, and way back then there was not a lot of hands on information, and I wasted a great amount of those years being subjected to the belief system that programming is still today and mostly fills this forum.  

So rather than go on about credibility, because all things require experience and not just simple theory knowledge, one thing you can never teach is experience.

 

The break down of programming is vast but basically works like this –

Society programming

Genetic programming

Specifically programmed

Ritual specifically programmed

Mind control specific programming

Bloodline programming

Generational programming

Sexual abuse mind control programming

And the list goes on to addictive patterns of programming

And yes every person in this world is programmed in some manner.

 

The most common programming is genetic, some people are programmed to program, some are programmed to program sexually, some through emotions and so on.

Some people are purposely brought together to program each other, but two ‘specific programmed’ and again I say specific programmed people can not stay in a relationship for long term, because part of all programming is victimizing and two victims in one house has dire results. The issues that people have with lost or abusive love/relationships are ‘usually’ the result of similar programming being brought together for the intent of heightening its frequency and significance.

My experience with working with programmed people is extensive, and I have ‘personally’ not theoretically worked with many from Montauk, from the fluffer, those staging sexual ritual, to the person performing the sacrifice on the infant, the programmer and enforcer, so if there is a hierarchy of being programmed these people sit on the cap stone!  

There is a BIG difference to those programmed through ritual mind control and specifically programmed.

Yet the one common dominator in every aspect of programming is actually simple – it is ‘energy’. Energy is required from certain dates, places, astrological signs, and placements, also people and their own personal frequency.

 

The base line for feeling and believing in programming is ‘you do not fit into society’ you feel different from everyone…etc….etc.

So by chance you come across someone like SS, you contact him and the first thing he does is send you a long list of programs that are within you, oh sorry that have been enforced into you. Then he lets you believe that he is the only person who understands, yet never quite gives you enough information for you to understand these programs… but suggests consultations..$$...books…$$...DVD’s…$$...seminars…$$...but years on you still do not understand what each program means….all you know is it’s not your fault, its THEIR fault, you’re a victim, and that’s that!

So being a master of programming…. He is subliminally putting you into a state of ‘unawareness’ to always be a victim, and when you are in victim mentality you need a controller.

So this concept of programming whether it has had a face lift by someone else is still the same, the brown merger is for remaining in state of confusion, anyone with basic knowledge of color in and around the body knows that brown holds onto energy that actually needs to be let go.

When the human body reaches orgasm, this is the only moment of time where the mind/body/soul is completely open, therefore this is why there is such an influence of free and wild sex, because whilst you are enjoy that few seconds of bliss, you are being downloaded and if you are a man, that woman is probably a beautiful hot hybrid that is sucking your energy into her… while they are working on your crown chakra injecting you with dark energy so that a nice attachment can find a new home.

So my point in this whole long and extensive post is if you choose, and I say it’s a choice to be restricted by a name, then you are choosing to be controlled, and no one can ever be deprogrammed, but many have released the energy that binds them to the programmed versus deprogrammed belief system.

There is no ‘one size fits all’ because each and every one of you is unique, you all have unique signatures, yet this belief is putting you into categories just like they do in sheep stations.

No matter who is giving information about whatever, but if they are telling you that you hold no responsibility in how you have came to be, they are working with the illuminati, even if they are not consciously aware of it, because the best way to enslave you is through fear, conflict, difference and maliciousness. They want to tell you how to think instead of guiding you to think on your own, they want control of you because basically they are the true cowards of the world.

I have said it many times, which is always rejected that the main agenda is for the soul, the consciousness of energy that is you, and for those that think the soul can not be shaken or stirred you are wrong, there are many dark souls that have lived numerous life-streams as traitors and manipulators….and are here amongst us in different bodies but with the same intent.

 

Now break it down…….

Well, why should I break this text down ?

this time I get a well documented and honest perspective of you from your experiences and opinions about Expansions/Swerdlows.

I can imagine all the things you mentioned here. It is not about good or wrong; it is very understandable, I even think the perspective is very correct. That does not need to say the end conclusions or given suggestions of you are always fine. But, this is the way how serious difficult things have to be discussed. Then others can give some new nuances and others perspectives and concepts to give a better picture of the whole thing you wrote here about programming and esoterics.

the more given information and the more honest shared information, the better knowledge is available for serious searches/researchers.

your text is very reasonable, too.

I do not agree for 100% nor do I have full rejections of what you wrote, but my perspective is different.

And I think you have lack of information about certain esoteric knowledge, and over time if you get more information you will learn more and feel better about your written story here.

It's about esoterical and spiritual things that is not teached by the Swerdlows; however that does not mean the Swerdlows do not know about it or they are not spiritual at all; in this case maybe you could say their tachings are not complete or not didactical well educated. As many course comapnies they have their own problems with educational things and presentation. And they are not alone.

The issue with the Swerdlows is also in education terminology, like organizing a curriculum. A researcher of Expansions has to be prepared all about this, I have learnt it on my own with the help of others i.e. here. Good preparation and doing your homework is also what counts in learning form the Swerdlows and esoterical things.

But that's not a shame, I have big lack of information, too, about many things.

Then I have problems with the English language because it is not my first language, does that make me an idiot ? no, it only makes my views to all these things different to your views because of other ways of input, profession, perspectives and culture.

[baniakash]

There are always going to be programs of one nature or another in a person's framework.
The importance is as to whether the program supports the development,growth,advancement and expansion of their entire being and consciousness.
Another thing to consider is that if you are attempting to resolve a program from the region of its location,little to no success would be gained.
Who ever is attempting to resolve the issue of degrading and spiritually retrogressive commands and instruction embedded anywhere within the framework of their being needs to understand that the root of the issue needs digging up.
Many have not even touched the veil of Archangelic kingdom ,how much more entering and functioning in the God Essence.
At these levels,they root out all the crap,heal the matrix and make it impermeable to interference from the various forms of intelligence that only seek to reverse the growth of being.
The limitation of mainstream deprogramming is that if you are not careful,you may begin a war within yourself and that is in itself self defeating.
You must be sincere with yourself and be willing to do what is needed to move the consciousness higher.
I am throwing a challenge to those on this site who are spiritually advanced to take the works available on deprogramming and send it into the region of the Archangels for a reality check along with those who developed them..
You are going to be surprised and shocked by the many parading these works and the hidden limitations to them.
If you are one who has been able to step into the God sphere,then see what that intelligence is about to reveal to you..
Look forward to see what comes out of this...
Thanks

[Octahedron]

I hope everyone understand that the main problem is the fact that we are unable to gain access to all the programming info, how it is done, all the details.

The most info comes from programmers that are controlled as to what they release. It is up to each one of us to discover how to fix it. That's why we came here now.


Deprogramming needs to be done mentally. To go higher up you need to use hyperspace techniques. To go even higher, you need someone like MC.

Thee's always that variable : who provides the info ... are they manipulated ? etc

I am not knocking on Stewart by any means. But there's a definite secondary hidden agenda with what he does wether he knows it or not. And I am talking about his work with high level programmed people not all the services they offer some of which are great.

There are people here who will understad what I am talking about.

Stop putting Stewart on a pedestal. Him and his work needs criticism in a constructive way nonetheless. There are people more talented than him, be aware of that. There are also people that had bad experiences like Astrojewles mentioned.

By discussing these issues in a constructive manner, we will be able to discern BS from usefull info.

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[Scarlet]

The most important thing when you try to deprogram yourself is to say enough to various influences that come from a very blurred consciousness. OK, maybe you won't understand what I am speaking, but I managed to distinguish programs a person has by scanning... the energy field around the person is very blurred, it's like someone took many colours and washed them away, when a child ruins a wet picture, that's how I see that.
What happens when programs are "on" is ruining the balance in the mind, a person cannot distinguish its true thought, its original energy because the programs are there to be integrated very deeply in your personality. It's very hard to shut them up, even when you spiritually evolve. Maybe it's because it seems like a pretty "normal" thing if a terrible wish to kill someone, for example, awakens.

One of the things that work is Archangel frequency, than meditating on heart chakra, communicating with Oversoul...

[Astrojewels]

Sorry to burst your bubble but I am that person who knows Stewart and Janet better than you do.

Not bragging but it is a fact. I came here to hear different oppinions regarding their work and purpose. It's always good to have more than one point of view. I am familiar with both good and not so good stuff about him and his work.

Myself,

I have no bubble to burst, I know who you are and your connections to him, and one day you will join the list of those he has used, but allow me to ask what is it you are actually looking for here on the forum?

In some threads you have doubts, others you say MC should be followed, MC openly criticizes his work, so are you finding line of deprogramming between, I do not want sarcasm, just trying to understand what it is you are saying?

[Astrojewels]

It's about esoterical and spiritual things that is not teached by the Swerdlows; however that does not mean the Swerdlows do not know about it or they are not spiritual at all; in this case maybe you could say their tachings are not complete or not didactical well educated. As many course comapnies they have their own problems with educational things and presentation. And they are not alone.

I would disagree and say they do know about it, especially JS, she is very knowledgeable in esoteric knowledge and spirituality, yet as we discussed in the money mind pattern thread, some people put the money above everything else, and its all about the money with them, I am extremely happy that you especially did not take my post to a personal level, I am not on some mission against them, because I believe that the universe always takes care of its own, and I do know some very private things about them both and even though they don’t deserve it from me, it remains private.

Yet it is time to analyze and look at how they do work, look at yourself all these years of working in these techniques, the simple question is how much has your life improved? Do you consider yourself to be deprogrammed? And so on because the common question I continue to ask is show me someone who has worked with them and can say yep I am deprogrammed and living a great life….after all these years I am still waiting.  

[myself]

lol

you have absolutely zero clue who I am

trust me on this one

[myself]

You are obviously a confused individual.

You have no clue who I am nor my relationship to the Swerdlows.

I did not say MC should be followed.

I'm not looking for anything on this forum.

Stewart cannot use me. He wishes probably. No list to join.

Stop acting like you know cause you don't. ;)