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[Octahedron]

,... It is a very interesting time and also difficult for the ones who know truth, sometimes I do feel it is a personal test to ‘our-self’ and our ability to evolve and grow from what we do know.

Yes, tests are just tests. There must be a reasonable early moment to harvest the real intented effort. Otherwise it is meaningless.

[Astrojewels]

Yes I agree octahedron, each day for me must provide something, whether it is something I did not know yesterday or a breakthrough in something I am trying to understand, if you drift through life, how dreary your mind becomes. Life is not something that can just be ‘survived’ it must have purpose and direction, yet this year is a tough one and lately there has been increased activations and putting obstacles in front of so many people, it really is a year for self-analyzing and being challenged to find the strength in self.

[Octahedron]

This book is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg what really is going on.

The case of Presidential Model described in the book with ex-Pres. Bush sr., Pres. Bush jr. and Vice-Pres. Cheney is mind-blowing.

It's amazing to be able to remember these scenes in a different alter.

I don't know if Green Spiral staircase is powerful enough method. I guess "Black Rabbit" method can gice some breakthroughs to find alters or spheres of alters.

[Astrojewels]

I agree octahedron, and one can only imagine how many other stories there must be, but people have no idea of what has happened to them, they have to actually accept it first before trying to recover and most people deny that anything could ever happen to them like this. The presidential story is remarkable but so is the woman who wrote it, she is amazing.

[Sariel]

2nd: Male monarch: When reading about a guy laying in bed with a male friend who was a hybrid who shapeshifted to a white reptilian with snake eyes at sleep, I had to laugh for minutes :D, I couldn't help. The idea was so humoristic.

:D well, yes, it is quite humoristic, and I am skeptic about the story. Even most of supposed hybrids are not completely aware of their shapeshifting capabilities. To most of them it is like a dream, the one they don't remember consciously because it is burried deep down in subconscious mind.

I have heard from many people that this change happens especially after they have been drinking, not to a full rep, but the eyes and some body characteristics, then they question things the next day and wonder was it because of the alcohol.

Alcohol is stimulating reptilian brain. Everyone living on this planet has this part of brain or complex. The idea was developed by well respected doctor/scientist Paul D. MaClean who himself was an Illuminati and most likely reptilian shapeshifter. He was born on May 1th, on the main Illuminati ritual day, and lived 94 years... (actually, it is not so great age as it seems, my great-uncle was 99 )

So how did you brother in law take this information, does he think of you in a different way now? I was talking the other day with a woman who was very worldly wise but had never heard of the illuminati, where do you start? Talking to a person who knows absolutely nothing how do you begin to talk about it without sounding like a crazy person? Any ideas anyone?

Well, I think you should adapt yourself to your listener. There are many Illuminati and their associates in all part of social levels and jobs. Some of them are intelligent and well-learned persons, and some are ignorant and uncreative persons, even stupid. In fact, like every other ordinary person.

Even if you have to speak with the Pindar personally I think you still would have difficulty in communication. With all his responsibilities and cares how to make money for his family, and money is time, do you think he would be open for chit-chat about Illuminati?

However, when you know that people are motivated by their self-interest, you could get their intention. Maybe you should first tell to your friend about bad medical system or about negative things in her workplace, and then blame corrupted government for that. And Illuminati are government or have their puppies there.

And, in the end, you show her how she could fight against corrupted government and in that way improve her position in society and help to her community.    

[Sariel]

Some of my experiences are personally this: To older family members, I had spoken about the Illuminati Bilderberg group, because some family members had high connections to industrials and politicians. There were/are even some social connections to NATO secretaries Luns (old) and De Hoop Scheffer (current) and higher in European Union & Nobilty. I don´t thing genetic connections were involved here.

Hehe, are you Illuminati? :) Well, if birthdays of your family members fall on important rituals/holidays then it is quite sure. Even, if they don't, it doesn't mean there is no connections. Dates of birthdays could means "yes", but can't say "no".

 

i.e. I spoke in 2 options as a test: - Plain and straight: saying how and what the conspiray (i.e. Jesuits and Oil companies) is at a dinner: this unbalanced them, tending to fear issues and feel them uneasy, because they know Í have incredible knowledge of many things in general to share.

At a dinner? That is quite good idea, :) and yes, please, don't call me for a dinner.

Why are Jesuits so interested to you? I studied at their college in Italy in one of my incarnations.

- Subtle: speak about some sensitive things like satanism and abducting children for rituals: this is accepted in the way they think it is a cult or done by idiots. The Illuminati agenda for astral control power is beyond their understanding.

At a dinner??? Well, only if a meal is not well prepared.

Something weird: An occasional friend (much older then me) of mine was for years in the ´80s an assistant of the Pindar (Baron Philippe de Rothschild) at the Vineyards in France. At a dinner some years ago I got some information about him and he told me Rothschild has everywhere spies and tracking control systems. Of course I can not talk about the conspiracy to him. I found this quite amusant and his remarks confirmed me also some secret ritual codes.

Well, you are very dangerous  especially during a dinner. No one should ever have a dinner with you :D

Now seriously, do you have info that Philippe was a Pindar during this time? I know that he was older than Guy for seven years, and that the most oldest family member hold the position, however, in the case of Rothschild there could be exception when  younger son is more capable than the older. Even they actually weren't brothers but cousins.
There is no doubt for Philippe that he was talented, in wines, poetry, writing, driving at high speed and socialising and seducing, but it was Guy (great-great grandson of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and direct descedant from King David) who reformed their banking business, negotiated with papacy, controlled both Churchill and Roosevelt , and took most of responsibilities and family obligations before and with the beginning of the world war II. to the end.
 

[Octahedron]

Sariel[/color]]
Hehe, are you Illuminati? :) Well, if birthdays of your family members fall on important rituals/holidays then it is quite sure. Even, if they don't, it doesn't mean there is no connections. Dates of birthdays could means "yes", but can't say "no".

 

i.e. I spoke in 2 options as a test: - Plain and straight: saying how and what the conspiray (i.e. Jesuits and Oil companies) is at a dinner: this unbalanced them, tending to fear issues and feel them uneasy, because they know Í have incredible knowledge of many things in general to share.

At a dinner? That is quite good idea, :) and yes, please, don't call me for a dinner.

Why are Jesuits so interested to you? I studied at their college in Italy in one of my incarnations.

 

No, I am a not Illuminati, in fact I am a very simple person ;).  

I am Dutch and many Illuminati connections are located here in the Netherlands.

Jesuits are very important and powerful, a half of my family is Roman Catholic. Jesuits are the military operators for the Rothschilds and Habsburgers. They are a good example for military discipline and learning focusing exercises. 

Why not call you for a dinner ? You'll shapeshift at toasting ? :D

[user=14]Sariel[/user] wrote:

- Subtle: speak about some sensitive things like satanism and abducting children for rituals: this is accepted in the way they think it is a cult or done by idiots. The Illuminati agenda for astral control power is beyond their understanding.

At a dinner??? Well, only if a meal is not well prepared.

Something weird: An occasional friend (much older then me) of mine was for years in the ´80s an assistant of the Pindar (Baron Philippe de Rothschild) at the Vineyards in France. At a dinner some years ago I got some information about him and he told me Rothschild has everywhere spies and tracking control systems. Of course I can not talk about the conspiracy to him. I found this quite amusant and his remarks confirmed me also some secret ritual codes.

Well, you are very dangerous  especially during a dinner. No one should ever have a dinner with you :D

Now seriously, do you have info that Philippe was a Pindar during this time? I know that he was older than Guy for seven years, and that the most oldest family member hold the position, however, in the case of Rothschild there could be exception when  younger son is more capable than the older. Even they actually weren't brothers but cousins.
There is no doubt for Philippe that he was talented, in wines, poetry, writing, driving at high speed and socialising and seducing, but it was Guy (great-great grandson of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and direct descedant from King David) who reformed their banking business, negotiated with papacy, controlled both Churchill and Roosevelt , and took most of responsibilities and family obligations before and with the beginning of the world war II. to the end. 
 

No, not talking about satanism at dinner, better is at simple table talks.

When people are eating, people are relaxed, open and they tend to get the information more steady in their mind.

Yes, Baron Philippe was the Pindar until 1988, Stewart confirmed me.

It is not such a hot issue, the Pindar is a man like others, but he has to be very careful in sensitive business. It's their culture of secrecy, deceit & manipulation.

[Sariel]

[user=14][color="#0000ff"][/color][/user]
 

No, I am a not Illuminati, in fact I am a very simple person ;). I am Dutch and many Illuminati connections are located here in the Netherlands.

Well, I know, your love for your people and nation and simple nature are actually  characteristics I like about you. Those are some kind of positive thing in this world.

Jesuits are very important and powerful, a half of my family is Roman Catholic. Jesuits are the military operators for the Rothschilds and Habsburgers. They are a good example for military discipline and learning focusing exercises.

It was in the 18th century when I was in association with them. Please, don't laugh :D I am not 300 years old  

Why not call you for a dinner ?

Well, I heard that some Dutch guy asked my cousin Dracula for a dinner, and he never returned :D   

You'll shapeshift at toasting ? :D

You would like that, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, not in this life-time :) You should asked me some 60 years before.
[user=14][color="#0000ff"][/color][/user]

No, not talking about satanism at dinner, better is at simple table talks. When people are eating, people are relaxed, open and they tend to get the information more steady in their mind.

Food brings them in a better mood and makes them less critical. 

Yes, Baron Philippe was the Pindar until 1988, Stewart confirmed me.

Thanks for the info. It makes sense.

It is not such a hot issue, the Pindar is a man like others, but he has to be very careful in sensitive business. It's their culture of secrecy, deceit & manipulation.

Well, it seems like you have decided to ask Pindar for a dinner. Or did you?

[Octahedron]

[user=14]Sariel[/user] wrote: [user=14][/user]

Why not call you for a dinner ?

Well, I heard that some Dutch guy asked my cousin Dracula for a dinner, and he never returned :D   

.............
Well, it seems like you have decided to ask Pindar for a dinner. Or did you?

You were a relative to Dracula in some lifetime ?

About Pindar at dinner: only if he will pay the bill.

 

[Sariel]

Octahedron[/color]][user=14][color="#0000ff"]Sariel[/color][/user] wrote: [user=14][color="#0000ff"][/color][/user]

Why not call you for a dinner ?

Well, I heard that some Dutch guy asked my cousin Dracula for a dinner, and he never returned :D   

.............
Well, it seems like you have decided to ask Pindar for a dinner. Or did you?

You were a relative to Dracula in some lifetime ?

About Pindar at dinner: only if he will pay the bill.

 

As long as I know I have no connection to a historical Dracula. I was kidding with a character Dracula from Bram Stroker's novels.

Though, father of Vlad Tepesh Dracula was a member in the Order of Dragon, after which Dracula inherited his nickname and which was invented by Hungarian king Sigismund on behalf of Serbian king Stefan Lazarevic ([size="1"]who was me[/size]).

Even some claim that Order's full official name was Order of defeated Dragon and members were of Christian faith, they worshipped Order of undefeated Dragon and celebrated their descedancy from Dragon or Draco/reptilian race. It was both based on the cult of Mithra, invincible Sun god, and the Order of Dragon/Snake which existed in Egypt.
 
Stefan Lazarevic used both a Dragon and Lilith in his family crest as well as horns from a bull. His soldiers wore a golden shields with 12 rays and a sun in the middle symbolising twelve energies of creation and the 13th energy as well.

Smart answer, it is obviously that you have a developed sense for business. Well, Pindar is a gentleman and gentlemen always pay their bills.