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MN, Thank you for picking up on the whales' topic. It is very dear to me. Forgive me, I will try to explain from a shamanic p.o.v.
In the indigenous traditions (such as the American Native Indians) it is a known practice (as well as those who are still more in an authentic symbiosis with nature & their surroundings than merely from a 'mental' - intellectual p.o.v) to appreciate & give thanks by the hunter-gatherer to a prey's sacrifice of its life prior to it being killed.
On the soul-level, the animal knows it will give its life to provide for another's survival (which is really the common theme in the animal kingdom - more on that later) & it will do so of its own volition rather than simply being "killed" for the sake of being killed ('useless sacrifice').
In the Western hemisphere - and, increasingly via the intrusion of this mindset into the remote corners of the planet - hunting, has been completely cut off from the mere issue of 'survival' & has turned into a national 'sports of sorts' :?:X.
The pain of this unnecessary killing doesn't go 'unnoticed' by the animal kingdom - which, like plants have a telepathic as well as vibrational means (smell, odours, facial as well as sounds) of communication (the lion/crocodile hunt of a buffalo calf in the Kruger National Parc is an amazing 'depiction' of this).
The biggest 'mental block' humanity has in "connecting" with animal & plant 'communication' is that it departs from its own 'premise' of communication - i.e., "words", "language", (mis-)"interpretation" & God forbid (literally & metaphorically!) "programming" icon_afraidicon_datz.
When I read the comments to the above video (provided by sily), I couldn't believe how emotional & utterly non-sensical the 'interpretation' of what happened to the calf, was. It was a bit hard to stomach, really because it displayed a completely hu-man perspective (especially 'coloured' by SS's nonsense of God mindicon_afraid...!).
Nature in & of itself is not as emotional as human beings would like to believe.
It suffers pain & knows threat (plants are known to 'send' information through the roots & leaves by changing their frequency & emission of vibrational energetic frequency (this also, is shamanic knowledge - native American Indian from NA to SA & so on) & it is within that context of survival the flora & fauna will 're-'act, but not in as much as human beings would.
Now back to the whales.
As I said previously, a regular average Caucasian/Western mindset doesn't "get" animal kingdom language & instead projects a lot of it's own unconscious into an animal, thus calling it either 'stupid' or 'intelligent' or 'wise' or whatever, whereas an animal has (very rightly so) its own inner guide (or, to stick with the theme, 'programming'), a built-in 'GPS' system that makes it so 'mysterious' for humans to 'understand' how an animal 'knows' where it has to go or what it has to "do" to ensure it's survival.
In order to go beyond that mental block one has to leave that kind of mindset where it belongs - in the backyard of the human ignorance (this isn't meant in a derogative manner, it is merely pointing out the fact that there's too much emphasis on an intellectual 'interpretation' rather than a frequency/vibrational approach which is about as opposite to the former as one could hope to get...).
Too much mindstuff can keep one from really getting straight to the nucleus. Nature is a feeling energy but not in the way humans 'understand' e-motion (energy in motion).
Why?
Because on a very deep unconscious level, humans are still afraid of nature - it's beyond their 'grasp' - it doesn't make 'sense' as humans would 'like it'. It has a 'mind' of its own & it's that very fact that escapes the intellectual/mental/analytical approach that leaves a lot of 'nature-lovers' in awe without necessarily being the wiser for it.
Whales are beautitful peaceful & very nurturing animals & in spite of their size, they are very sensitive yet 'blocked' &, if one would be fatalistic, "damned" to remain in their 'restricted' form of communication not "getting through" to the human dense mindset. Obsessing over programming does not help in this regard!
The whales shoring up to die feels to me like a deliberate but also desperate 'call' on humanity to stop their destructive, intrusive behaviour, with no respect whatsoever to their 'home' (planet). I feel as if this is for them like a last 'resort' to make themselves "heard" but also in a common deliberate sacrifice (& thus, 'suicide') to "wake people up".
Suicide often is a call to be 'seen' (& admittedly, whales are hard to miss, especially in those numbers!)
People's complete missing the point is what makes it so difficult to 'get it'. Or the 'they would never be so stupid!' attitude.
One would have to be a whale to really 'get' them, you know?
The group energy of a herd works way beyond mere human awareness. How else could one even begin to understand how the buffalo (of the above-mentioned video) managed to get a huge herd in a very short period of time to save one calf? Where'd the buffalo find them all?
The communication works on a different level, obviously. Yes they can make 'noise' (to the human ear) but it's still no small 'feat' for an apparent "dumb" buffalo to gather that much 'help & support' so quickly.
Watching that video only confirmed what I have suspected for a long time - animals, too, are communicating telepathically as well as having a very strong psychic link.
Watching the video really makes 'sense' when looking at it through 'animals' consciousness. If some like to call it 'God Mind', fine, but it's a bit ... kindergarten, really.
An encounter with an untamed animal always instills respect, even if 'hu-man/woman' "thinks" they are beyond it. It's awe inspiring because it is so much more just itself - there's no mental garbage there. It's just energy manifest - period.
There's a reason the shamans have power animals, and, yes lions, eagles, all the big animals have a very specific frequency & energy that, if one leaves the mind labyrinth behind, can truly open up something that is not cluttered by information that is maybe very interesting but doesn't "help" one to better lead their life & or improve their overall state.
It's there - and, it's free.
Hence, Icke.
The resistence I have with hanging out there for 7 hours on end is that I know that even if you know how to protect yourself, after a while your 'system' begins to become loose, the protective fabric (energetic wall) gets some holes & being distracted, it happens even if you still think you're in control.
Common sense (which seems to be lacking quite a bit here when I read different threads!) already tells me that those who'll attend the conference are more or less all 'Icked' - why else would they dump their hard-earned cash to a BS-merchant?
It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
I know myself very well & I also know what I can take & how much of it in one time. I also don't overestimate myself (as it seems a bit to be a tendency here...! Please forgive me to be so blunt, I just don't suffer fools easily - especially those who think they're mega-smart & have it all figured out - neither of which I wouldn't dream of doing - compared to some I don't know s*** & I certainly don't understand everything MC talks about).
But Icke is a trip all right. Yes, I'm sure he's great in person - at that very moment. The thing I keep picking up about him (his own videos, actually) is that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Filthy & foul. And maybe, because I look further than just "the experience" I am very cautious & also, circumspect & quite frankly suspicious of his motives.
I spent two weeks with Stuie Wilde (Icke, BTW, has picked up Stuie's "Camelot" stuff - so, he's at it again, copying & plagiarising somebody's else's work. Stuie spoke about 'Camelot' before the 90s' - it seems to me Icke's running out of ideas).
That cured me from ever wanting to come too close to somebody's glamourised & overhyped persona ever again.
If you don't know what you're getting into, it can really screw you bad. And, you'll be the one left having to deal with the "remains of the day".
The heap of maybe 'interesting' but useless information has just grown considerably to a significant degree leaving you with a good load of more confusion to sort out on your own.
That'll be one's own 'job' & there'll be no Icke or anyone (did I say SS?) to 'help' you in the dark hour of the night. The fact that one paid for it will then sit like a ton o' bricks in the solar plexus not going anywhere fast.
Investment approach works on every level (I worked in the industry for over 10 years, so I dare say I have some inkling what's involved) - not just the monetary one.
My time & energy are precious to me - and time wasted/lost is something no one will be able to make up for or "return" to me. That's my call, my responsibility.
In other words, I would rather listen to beautiful classical music or read an interesting book (and no, not 7 hours on end!) - something that nurtures me, helps me feel better (not worse!). And certainly doesn't leave you with an odd sense of emptiness a few weeks down the road - shallowed & hollowed.
The hype was 'there' but it will not 'survive' long-term. At least that's been my experience (and plenty of those who have woken up from their hypnotic, 'guru worshipping' state). Sessions of that length (!) leave you mabye 'charged' for a few hours after the event but ultimately drained in the long run. Energy vampires are busy 24/7.
And someone like Icke thrives off it. Not on my watch & call.
We'll have to see what Karen's report will be. But I'm not holding my breath.
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xanthas, I understand:) your point of view on your understanding:) of the hunting practices of indigenous cultures and their relationship with nature . My understanding is a bit different from my own relatives ,some descendants of the local moundbuilders mixed with later tribes,other natives and a Mayan shaman that I spent time with . Before the hunt in my understanding there would be a prayer of sorts or an asking before the hunt and those critters that would offered themselves.The prayers and rituals attached to true kosher and Islamic practices of the killing of meat I understand are an offshoot of the indigenous ways. In other words there was a communication between the ,to use a word ,deva, group spirit of a particular species or two and the human species. In my view this isn't done before whales and dolphins beach themselves. You said yourself that humans tend to be ignorant and really I don't feel many humans at all would understand the purported intended message of a sacrificial beaching.
In my views humans are not of the animal kingdom but of the human kingdom and its our job so to speak to recognize as much. That is a topic for another time and one which I not inclined to debate here.
As for Icke.......I have never been a follower ..ever so the danger of me being glamourized by the leaders of the day is slim to none. I know ,I know there are whispers abut me being taken in by those in the orgonite movement. My reply would be that if one believes that they don't know me at all. I've never seen many of these type of folks,Icke SW etc in person simply because I don't need to nor want to .The idea of celebrity means nothing to me. Icke seems to draw such a huge following and I'm curious as to what's the draw especially since there are numerous books etc.I appreciate your concern though for sometimes curiosity does indeed kill a cat but I think the cats :D are wising up to some extent . I went once to see Gregg Braden speak as I had read some interesting stuff of his..still think some of it's interesting BTW... but I always had this feeling about him. So when I had the opportunity to check him out I grabbed it.( This was before I knew my friend who was in the network training group with him.) I went and knew right away just by personal observation this guy was network. He refused to call on me when questions were asked.It was a small gathering ,sort of semi private.Finally someone pointed to me and said "She has a question."and he couldn't back down really. He did say I had to make it fast as he was running out of time.By the clock he wasn't running out of time. Anway I asked a rather pointed but pertinent question pertaining to the info he was spewing that day . He just shrugged his shoulders and said "I don't know." He knew that I knew what he was . I paid money to see him .The soul doesn't know or recognize money .
My grandfather used to to say of me to my grandmother " She'd dance with the devil, that one ,but God help him if he don't mind his manners." :D
But I have to say I no longer have the stomach or interest to spend my time in such a way.Life is too short.
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AJ, I know I can be a pain in the ass - I'm bloody stubborn & hard-nosed (Cap, right? icon_barbaricon_greatgrin.
And maybe, one could 'consider' it part of my 'programming' & trying to watch myself (a very Buddhist approach, really).
It's not an excuse or trying to 'get' sympathy here, it's merely giving you an idea that if I'm as hard on someone else (yes, that hard!), you've an idea what I'm like with & towards myself. I'm my own biggest BS artist & I'm working 24/7 to debunk myself...(uh!).
I've been burned so much that I'm extremely & very, very, very suspicious - however, I have learned to begin to trust my own intuition - and, as MN rightly says, there's no money making up for it when it comes to something that is your own - one's own inner GPS (&, in my case, my own BS detector).
I listened too long to other people's "isms" to not put on my "BS alarm detector" armory. I've paid too high a price to do without (and I'm absolutely serious here, no pathos & I'm not asking for pity or 'compassion').
I'm aware, too, that there must've been quite a few trolls in the crowd trying to suss out Icke's next move - kind of comes with the territory, really.
And again, I'd have to agree with MN, that "Life's too short to spend time on people like Icke" or, anybody else, for that matter.
I'll tell you now - I didn't read your first reply.
Before you jump to a conclusion of sorts that I'm too much of a coward to do so, I'll tell right now that I had a different reason.
I didn't want to pour oil into the fire - like I said, I know myself very, very well & rather than feeding my own monster (negativity, anger, rage, frustration, whatever) I consciously chose to abstain from going down that route because I'm aware it is too destructive (what you saw here is nothing). The difference is, I know that it is not doing anyone any good.
It took me very, very hard work on myself to really get to grips with how anger works, what the source of it is & so forth & more importantly, to move away from it as I am progressing, being aware. SS is deliberately misleading people on that very topic! It's not only awful & counterproductive, it's pathetic.
In this case then (not reading your first reply), my 'ignorance' was deflecting from the "charge" which is (was) bad enough.
I don't expect you to understand nor do I expect (not really anything from) you to 'see' my p.o.v. It's for clarification's purposes & to either take or leave (yes, like I said, I'm a hard nut).
I don't do anything by chance. I choose. Consciously. Sometimes I am very much off the mark, but eventually & more frwquently, I return to my inner centre trying to stay there.
It is within that sphere that I feel I am very much taking responsibility for my S(s)elf & living in authentic truthfulness to who one is & what one is & not as yet are but strive to be-come (as, IMHO, the true notion of astrology at its best ought to be considered - but that's just me).
I ask the best because the quality of what one receives reflects immediately in one's life. I demand the best as much as I'm able to of myself & in this I strive to be the best I can be - being absolutely authentic, true & more than anything - with substance.
Substance makes the difference between 'lala', 'so-so' (& easily forgettable) information & "the stuff" that really can propel you on the high speed express (I'm not exactly patient but I still demand excellence - from myself as well as from somebody else) coupled with integrity.
Thus I wouldn't dream of talking about stuff I really don't feel I have nothing to add - of value - based on life experience & having applied my theoretical knowledge on a practical basis through obsdervation, studying my objects/subjects, my point of interest & then 'trying it out'. I also check myself prior to do so - the best I can & if I f*** up I own up to it.
No sidestepping & hula dancing around my own BS.
Every single time.
Somebody who you pisses you off always hits the nail somewhere otherwise it wouldn't trigger you.
It's a lot more complicated but I'm not gonna go into it here. I don't want to bore people.
If already have, I apologise.
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I'm obviously the ignorant idiot & nincompoop here amongst all the experts & sages.
Too daft to 'get it'.
What a fool I must've been to think I know something or I can actually 'contribute' anything at all!
Thus, I'm drawing the consequences of my actions & I'm leaving the forum.
I wish you all luck on your tricky path(s) to true, genuine & real healing.
Everybody's path is different.
Farewell.
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Xanthas,
Yes I can see you are a stubborn Capricorn, but can you see it before it reaches this stage? I would have to answer no!
I told you all along that I appreciated anyoneââ¬â¢s input, because I like to hear the views of many, it is how my mind works, I could not credit any ââ¬Ëoneââ¬â¢ person to the lessons in my life, I credit ââ¬Ëallââ¬â¢ the persons, the combination of people, places and experiences is what has provided me with who I am, and I am very comfortable with who I am.
I had a great day, and I was trying to say all along it really was not about David Icke, it was about the day, just being with a group of people and talking ââ¬Ëall dayââ¬â¢ about the topics that I love, and this is not common for me, because I have to live in the so called real world, go to work, be a mum, a wife and just an entity breathing and getting through! The other thing was that the group (5 in total) all came together thanks to SS, however not one of us now talk to him.. So I look at it that I have life long friendships thanks to him and the experience I had with him. On the day, we also made more friends, who have stories to tell and things to share, so for the $70 bucks that I spent, it was well worth every cent.
You can look at what has happened here between you and I as the past, move on, but lessons must be learned, one must grow from what has been done, your sense of protection is there through the Capricorn, you may have started on this topic thinking you were doing me a favor, but in reality you actually made me feel that your words really had no essence in my life, because you were trying to dictate to me, and I do not allow any person to talk or treat me in such a way.
We all grow from who we are, we do not become new people, and to say that we are the experts and sages, once again your feelings are responding! No one here claims to be an expert in any field, this forum is a combination of many talents, and you could be part of this community, if you listen more than you talked.
If you want to leave the forum, goodbye, I am not going to ask you to stay, but I am also not going to ask you to leave, because you came here for a reason, I think that reason is for you to be a little less opinionated, but can the Capricorn inside you take such tactful suggestion?
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Okay, I'm perplexed. xanthas I'll ask again. Why the obvious animosity toward Karen? It's as though you have a personal vendetta of sorts and are reaching for aspects to deride. I'm not sure but I don't think Karen chose the title, if you will ,of super moderator . Richard?
In a world where baring your fangs has become the norm and reveals alignment with the dark nature of those that control this planet a gentle tempered approach is appreciated and as such has a more profound impact. IMO
The drama and titillation associated with baring your fangs feeds the lower forces. After your run in with SS I would think you would see how he uses such responses and the associated reactions.
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Xanthas,
If that is what makes you laugh, all I can say is you have a really weird sense of humor! I am not going to reply to that stupid PM you sent either, why would you make it a mission in life to try and bring out the worst in a person? You did not set me up to show my true selfââ¬Â¦ please where did you get such ludicrous thoughts from? I donââ¬â¢t play sweet and lovely, I donââ¬â¢t play anything, this is me and that is what you can not handle, the fact that I love people and they love me, thatââ¬â¢s what it is all about, it is a very sad life if you are not loved and can not love. No wonder youââ¬â¢re always tired; you constantly seek the negative out of life. The other thing is I have never claimed any lineage, I donââ¬â¢t know where you keep getting that from?
Itââ¬â¢s true that I donââ¬â¢t know anything about you, and I donââ¬â¢t want to know either, but you are not someone I would like in my life. So I am going to play your little game and do what you push people to do, and say goodbye.
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