Hi from South Africa

[ashanti]

Ashanti said:"Yes, I agree with this. And US laws protect cults under the guise of "religious freedom", so cults are free to abuse people as much as they please, and the law protects them. "

Guise by definition means false appearance.

Please explain why you believe the U.S. religous freedom laws to be a "false appearance".

Apologies, that was poorly worked. Let me try again: I have been following some legal cases in the US, versus in other regions like Europe, for quite some time, with regards to individuals applying for relief to courts for abuse they endured at the hands of cults. While religious freedom is a worthy principle, the way the law is structured in the US, specifically with regard to "Ministerial exception", the tenet of religious freedom is used by cults as a cloak to get away with abusing their parishioners, and court rulings have supported this, even when there has been clear evidence of abuse. In other words, cults have the right to abuse their parishioners and clients in the US. In Europe, it is different, where courts have weighed up the evidence and found that a cult claiming religious freedom cannot be more favourably weighted than the individual rights of the clients to not be abused.

The evidence for what I am saying about US is contained in the court documents archived here: http://www.scribd.com/collections/352793...rc-Headley

And if you do not mind to take some time to go through even the main parts of it, it will shed more light on what I am referring to. Marc and Claire Headley were two Scientologists who endured the most disgusting levels of abuse at the hands of Scientology, provided clear evidence, but the courts supported Scientology, and the Headleys lost, and had to pay punitive damages for bringing the suits.

It was a disgusting travesty of justice, which has sickened many people around the world, and the message is clear: In the US, do not bother to seek any justice against abusive cults, because the law is structured to be on the side of the cult, as long as it is a registered "religion". Had the Headleys brought their suit against Scientology in Europe, they would have won, because Europe is far more savvy on the issue of cults than the US, and is still concerned (at least on the surface) with the rights of their individual citizens.

- ashanti

[ashanti]

Are you a Scientologist ashanti ?

Definitely not. I consider Scientology to be one of the blackest, most left hand path, magick cults on the planet. It destroys lives, tears families apart, engages in soul cracking, has led to countless suicides and deaths, and is utterly ruthless in its drive to "destroy the enemy utterly". It is armed with billions of dollars in its war chest to crush its enemies, and is protected by the New World Order and the authorities including governments, police, and the judicial system. It has a decades long track record of terror against anyone it considers an enemy, and its adherents become soulless drones. "By their fruits, you will know them."

More on the black magick roots of Scientology can be found here: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/occult.html

- ashanti

[Jacaranda]

Indeed, visualizations and affirmations all on their own do not make things happen. Action is required. Sometimes, a combination of visualization and action is needed, when action alone keeps failing. Much more to this, but that is it in a nutshell, I find.

And definitely, Stewart's childhood trauma does not give him the right to abuse others in his adulthood. But that is the area where I see society has failed. In an evolved civilization which I envisage, which is based on principles of loving wisdom, caring, treating each person as a precious gift, there would have been help straight away for a young traumatized child. How many serial killers, rapists and pedophiles, how many psychopaths and sociopaths would have been prevented from going on to harm so many others if our society was structured to care for people? Just because our society is not such a society, it is primitive and savage, does not mean it is not possible to have such an evolved society.

I am not going to argue the whole conspiracy versus cock-up accounting for the pathetic mess our world is in, because my view is shaped by my personal experiences, and not solid evidence (dox). I agree that there is no one coordinated conspiracy, but I have seen up close and personal, the evil at the top of our structures. They tend to fight among each other for power, and everyone else is just cannon fodder. We are ruled by psychopaths with weapons far, far darker than you could imagine, but I do not expect you to agree to that, and that is fine. It is just my experience.

I'll answer the part on US law and cults under another post, in response to another question.

Thank you for your views, and I find your common sense, down to earth approach to be very refreshing, and helpful in this dialogue.

- ashanti

Actually you are right, a lot of those in power are psychopaths. I think, and this is merely a hypothesis, that we, as in humans, have not had sufficient experience and/or education and preparation for leadership to handle power effectively. So there is a lot of abuse of power as a result of this, and people in power are at times losing their minds. Which makes leaders, who put their own interests completely behind those of the people, extremely rare.

Finally, yes, it is social failure when children get abused. Any abuse is a social failure, because it means that our way of life will lead to misery for a few. Any abuse is wrong. If Stewart was abused as a child, it is a tragedy. However, it is absolutely no excuse for him to abuse people today. Plus he is not abusing just one person once and then never talks about it, as happened in his own case. He is going for thousands of people. Hopes crushed. Wallets plundered. And in some cases, sexual dignity ruined forever. I feel very sorry for him... His life certainly is a living hell... All the lies, all the time, all the hatred, and no chance for any of it to ever end...

[Mercy Now]

Are you a Scientologist ashanti ?

Definitely not. I consider Scientology to be one of the blackest, most left hand path, magick cults on the planet. It destroys lives, tears families apart, engages in soul cracking, has led to countless suicides and deaths, and is utterly ruthless in its drive to "destroy the enemy utterly". It is armed with billions of dollars in its war chest to crush its enemies, and is protected by the New World Order and the authorities including governments, police, and the judicial system. It has a decades long track record of terror against anyone it considers an enemy, and its adherents become soulless drones. "By their fruits, you will know them."

More on the black magick roots of Scientology can be found here: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/occult.html

- ashanti

Yes, I'm familiar with the roots of Scientology and like you consider it a horror. I'm aware that it is protected by the NWO and has infiltrated governments,police, legal systems and public education . IMO they are terroists .Anyone ,having dealt with them,would understand this opinion.I hope you don't take offense at my questioning.

As you may well know Scientologists have posed as someone else other than a Scientologist to infiltrate internet forums and other public arenas where free speech is desired.

[Mercy Now]

Ashanti,I posted this elsewhere in the cafe but I'm posting it here as well to be more sure of you seeing it.



If I remember correctly Stewart said the NWO has Scientology in it's foundation.

[ashanti]

Are you a Scientologist ashanti ?

Definitely not. I consider Scientology to be one of the blackest, most left hand path, magick cults on the planet. It destroys lives, tears families apart, engages in soul cracking, has led to countless suicides and deaths, and is utterly ruthless in its drive to "destroy the enemy utterly". It is armed with billions of dollars in its war chest to crush its enemies, and is protected by the New World Order and the authorities including governments, police, and the judicial system. It has a decades long track record of terror against anyone it considers an enemy, and its adherents become soulless drones. "By their fruits, you will know them."

More on the black magick roots of Scientology can be found here: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/occult.html

- ashanti

Yes, I'm familiar with the roots of Scientology and like you consider it a horror. I'm aware that it is protected by the NWO and has infiltrated governments,police, legal systems and public education . IMO they are terroists .Anyone ,having dealt with them,would understand this opinion.I hope you don't take offense at my questioning.

As you may well know Scientologists have posed as someone else other than a Scientologist to infiltrate internet forums and other public arenas where free speech is desired.

No offence taken at all, and I completely understand.

- ashanti

[ashanti]

Ashanti,I posted this elsewhere in the cafe but I'm posting it here as well to be more sure of you seeing it.

If I remember correctly Stewart said the NWO has Scientology in it's foundation.

Wow, thank you for this. I did miss it, and I find this very, VERY interesting.

Stewart worked with Peter Moon, a high ranking Scientologist, who worked with Hubbard in the 1970s.

I have a source, which I must point out is from the so-called "Free Zone" (breakaway Scientologists who rebelled against the corporate "Church" and practiced their versions of Scientology independently. They consider Hubbard to be a good guy, and promote Scientology and Dianetics as something good - which I do not personally agree with - and so their perspective is shaped by that). I myself do not consider any form of Scientology to be good, but the Free Zoners are a useful source of information on the past, as many of them were there in Hubbards' time, and remember things that have been "brushed out" by the current corporate "Church" of Scientology.

The full link is here: http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/general.htm

Extract:
Family Roots

Another family name which Peter Moon has found crops up in this field with notable frequency is Wilson. One member of the Wilson clan who has been very influential in the modern world and who has been consistently in opposition certainly to some of the agendas of the secret (worldwide) government is L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology. Hubbard is the name of his adoptive parents but he was born a Wilson. Peter Moon was fairly high up in the Scientology network in the 1970s when Hubbard was quite active personally, and has researched this genetic angle exhaustively. Whatever one's personal views on Scientology, (and by many indications it's been thoroughly subverted by infiltrators after Hubbard's death), they did seem to be dedicated to a relatively enlightened agenda, which sought real psychological clarity and freedom from pathological, kneejerk states of mind imprinted onto our subconscious from past traumatic events, even prior to the present lifetime. (Attacks on Hubbard / Scientology

It's an undeniable fact that Hubbard and Scientology were mercilessly and relentlessly hounded and harassed by Federal authorities back when he was alive (and likely since!) way beyond any reasonable degree, and that alone would give one reason to think that he was probably on to something both important and positive.

Though not publicized much in the more popular, "outer" teachings of Dianetics, those in Hubbard's inner circles were quite aware that some of his non-published, internal material which Hubbard allowed access to addressed very specifically ill-intentioned extraterrestrials or extradimensionals which capture human souls--usually between lifetimes. These beings implant (false) spiritual, psychological even sociopolitical concepts designed to keep souls trapped and enslaved as it were--by continually and endlessly reincarnating into an external reality or world already heavily controlled and manipulated in so many ways; by those who maintain and broadcast the dominant "frequencies" which make up the (quantum/ electromagnetic) matrix of our perceived and experienced reality via such operations as the Montauk project. This fits some vast agenda of human spiritual (and physical!) enslavement and corresponding conditions; a longstanding agenda of the secret, cultic "governments" which support, further and foster this ongoing, mass manipulation of the human race through the indoctrinated and/or enforced political, religious and other social systems.

William Bramley's exceptional book The Gods Of Eden, one of the more unusual "UFO" books ever written, covers this very angle in tremendous detail and provides ample documentation that the predominant "control group" which attempts to run the show here on Earth, as manifested in the ruling secret brotherhoods/ societies/governments (i.e. the Bilderbergers, CFR and the like), is inextricably tied to specific ET groups.

As per further information on L. Ron Hubbard, he did a stint in Naval Intelligence where he assimilated a lot of the information the government had amassed resulting from their research and experiments into drug-based mind manipulation and narcosynthesis--this in the 30s! Hubbard took the information and techniques and applied them in a methodology aimed at "empowering" (in pc 90s-speak) and liberating people on very fundamental psychological levels from ingrained, encoded (often deliberately) "engramatic" behavior and states of mind, usually programmed by traumatic means (intentionally or not). Hubbard was not a cult leader, no matter what the government has tried to portray him as, and what I've read of his work seems predominantly quite sane and useful.

Mind Control

Hubbard was vehemently opposed in particular to the ubiquitous Dr. Ewen Cameron, who at different times has been--incredibly enough--the president of the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the World Psychiatric Association. In light of that, and given Ewen Cameron's truly odious, cruel, horrible, and unpardonable activities, any reasonable person would be more than a little suspicious of the motives and agenda of psychiatry in general, as Hubbard most certainly was. Far too often psychiatry is used as a tool of social behavioral control and modification, used to force subjects' minds to conform to certain concepts, beliefs, structures and mores imposed from without; strictures which again nearly always reinforce the wishes and aims of society's prevailing rulers and of the status quo.

Montauk Project author Peter Moon was a Scientology member and in fact occasionally worked directly with Hubbard. Moon seems certain that Hubbard in fact was pretty much on the opposite team, certainly in terms of the known objectives of Phoenix/Montauk, regarding "mind control". Moon believes Hubbard to have been on the whole dedicated to the personal spiritual emancipation of human beings from programming of virtually any kind, and my admittedly skimpy knowledge of Scientology/Dianetics would tend to back that up. I think the movement suffered from a personality cult syndrome, and that Hubbard may in fact have had a bit of a messiah complex running, but I do find some quite worthwhile elements in the Dianetics material.

Hubbard was of course a participant in the so called "Babalon Working", some mystical ceremony enacted along with fellow Aleister Crowley adherents Jack (JPL/Cal-Tech/Father of modern rocketry) Parsons and Marjorie Wilson Cameron. This ceremony has been said to have certain esoteric correspondences with the Philadelphia Experiment, and may have (helped) open some dimensional channel enabling negative ET's easier access to our dimension/reality--a new freeway was put in.
Perhaps to that extent that Hubbard was some kind of influence on the more mystical aspects of Montauk/Phoenix operation, but I don't believe he would have supported the specific goals of the project at all. (Phoenix Undead - The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today: Chapter "SCIENTOLOGY/DIANETICS")
STANFORD, SCIENTOLOGY AND THE CIA

Interestingly, other information about the connection of certain Scientology members to some of the secret government's "unusual" experimental research activities comes from premiere mind control researcher and author Alex Constantine, who has written a wealth of excellent books and articles on the general topic of government administered and operated mind control projects, including those based on electromagnetic/radio frequency transmissions.
I quote below a section called "Psychic Spying at the Stanford Research Institute Or CIA Mind Control?" from Constantine's Virtual Government.

"Concrete evidence that electronic mind control was the true object of study at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) was exposed by the Washington Post in 1977. When the Navy awarded a contract to the Institute, "the scientific assistant to the Secretary of the Navy, Dr. Sam Koslov, received a routine briefing on various research projects, including SRI's. As the briefer flashed his chart onto the screen and began to speak, Koslov stormily interrupted, 'What the hell is that about?' Among the glowing words on the projected chart, the section describing SRI's work was labeled, 'ELF and Mind Control.'"

"'ELF' stands for 'extremely long frequency' electromagnetic waves, from the very slow brain frequencies up to about 100 cycles per second...."
But the 'Mind Control' label really upset Koslov. He ordered the SRI investigations for the Navy stopped, and canceled another $35,000 in Navy funds slated for more remote viewing work. Contrary to Koslov's attempt to kill the research, the Navy quietly continued to fork out $100,000 for a two-year project directed by a bionics specialist. The "remote viewing" team at SRI was really engaged in projecting words and images directly to the cranium. It was not a humanitarian pastime: the project was military and test subjects are subjected to a lifetime of EM torture plied with the same thorough disregard for human rights as the radiation tests conducted at the height of the Cold War. To be sure, the treatment subjects have received at the hands of their own government would be considered atrocities if practiced in wartime.
Mind control was also used in domestic covert operations designed to further the CIA's heady ambitions, and during the Vietnam War period SRI was a hive of covert political subterfuge. The Symbionese Liberation Army, like the People's Temple, was a creation of the CIA. The SLA had at its core a clique of black ex-convicts from Vacaville Prison. Donald DeFreeze, otherwise known as "Cinque", led the SLA. He was formerly an informant for the LAPD's Criminal Conspiracy Section and the director of Vacaville's Black Cultural Association (BCA), a covert mind control unit with funding from the CIA channeled through SRI. The Menlo Park behavior modification specialists experimented with psychoactive drugs administered to members of the BCA. Black prisoners were programmed to murder selected black leaders once on the outside. The CIA/SRI zombie killer hit list included Oakland school superintendent Dr. Marcus Foster, and Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, among others. DeFreeze stated that at Vacaville in 1971-72, he was the subject of a CIA mind control experiment. He described his incarceration on the prison's third floor, where he was corralled by CIA agents who drugged him and said he would become the leader of a radical movement and kidnap a wealthy person. After his escape from Vacaville (an exit door was left unlocked for him), that's exactly what he did.

"EM mind control machines were championed at SRI by Dr. Karl Pribram, director of the Neuropsychology Research Laboratory: "I certainly could educate a child by putting an electrode in the lateral hypothalamus and then selecting the situations at which I stimulate it. In this was I can grossly change his behavior." Psychology Today touted Pribram as "The Magellan of Brain Science." He obtained his B.S. and M.D. degrees at the University of Chicago, and at SRI studied how the brain processes and stores sensory imagery. He is credited with discovering that mental imaging bears a close resemblance to hologram projection (the basis for transmitting images to the brains of test subjects under the misnomer 'remote viewing')."

"The SRI/SAIC psi experiments were supervised at Langley by John McMahon, second in command under William Casey, succeeding Bobby Ray Inman, the SAIC director. McMahon has, according to Philip Agee, the CIA whistle-blowing exile, an affinity for "technological exotics for CIA covert actions." He was recruited by the Agency after his graduation from Holy Cross College. He is a former director of the Technical Services Division, deputy director for Operations, and in 1982 McMahon was appointed deputy director of Central Intelligence. He left the Agency six years later to take the position of president of the Lockheed Missiles and Space Systems Group. In 1994 he moved on the Draper Laboratories. He is a director of the Defense Enterprise Fund and an adviser to congressional committees."

"Many of the SRI "empaths" were mustered from L. Ron Hubbard's Church of Scientology, Harold Puthoff, the Institute's senior researcher, is a leading Scientologist. Two "remote viewers" from SRI have also held rank in the Church: Ingo Swann, a Class VII Operating Thetan, a founder of the Scientology Center in Los Angeles, and the late Pat Price. Puthoff and Targ's lab assistant was a Scientologist married to a minister of the church. When Swann joined SRI, he stated openly that fourteen "Clears" participated in the experiments, 'more than I would suspect.'"
At the time he denied CIA involvement, but now acknowledges, "it was rather common knowledge all along who the sponsor was, although in documents the identity of the Agency was concealed behind the sobriquet of 'an east-coast scientist.' The Agency's interest was quite extensive.

"A number of agents of the CIA came themselves ultimately to SRI to act as subjects in 'remote viewing' experiments, as did some members of Congress." --Alex Constantine Copyright © 1996 (Phoenix Undead - The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today: Chapter "STANFORD, SCIENTOLOGY AND THE CIA")

- ashanti

[Mercy Now]

Ashanti,I posted this elsewhere in the cafe but I'm posting it here as well to be more sure of you seeing it.

If I remember correctly Stewart said the NWO has Scientology in it's foundation.

Wow, thank you for this. I did miss it, and I find this very, VERY interesting.

Stewart worked with Peter Moon, a high ranking Scientologist, who worked with Hubbard in the 1970s.

I have a source, which I must point out is from the so-called "Free Zone" (breakaway Scientologists who rebelled against the corporate "Church" and practiced their versions of Scientology independently. They consider Hubbard to be a good guy, and promote Scientology and Dianetics as something good - which I do not personally agree with - and so their perspective is shaped by that). I myself do not consider any form of Scientology to be good, but the Free Zoners are a useful source of information on the past, as many of them were there in Hubbards' time, and remember things that have been "brushed out" by the current corporate "Church" of Scientology.

The full link is here: http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/general.htm

Extract:
Family Roots

Another family name which Peter Moon has found crops up in this field with notable frequency is Wilson. One member of the Wilson clan who has been very influential in the modern world and who has been consistently in opposition certainly to some of the agendas of the secret (worldwide) government is L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology. Hubbard is the name of his adoptive parents but he was born a Wilson. Peter Moon was fairly high up in the Scientology network in the 1970s when Hubbard was quite active personally, and has researched this genetic angle exhaustively. Whatever one's personal views on Scientology, (and by many indications it's been thoroughly subverted by infiltrators after Hubbard's death), they did seem to be dedicated to a relatively enlightened agenda, which sought real psychological clarity and freedom from pathological, kneejerk states of mind imprinted onto our subconscious from past traumatic events, even prior to the present lifetime. (Attacks on Hubbard / Scientology

It's an undeniable fact that Hubbard and Scientology were mercilessly and relentlessly hounded and harassed by Federal authorities back when he was alive (and likely since!) way beyond any reasonable degree, and that alone would give one reason to think that he was probably on to something both important and positive.

Though not publicized much in the more popular, "outer" teachings of Dianetics, those in Hubbard's inner circles were quite aware that some of his non-published, internal material which Hubbard allowed access to addressed very specifically ill-intentioned extraterrestrials or extradimensionals which capture human souls--usually between lifetimes. These beings implant (false) spiritual, psychological even sociopolitical concepts designed to keep souls trapped and enslaved as it were--by continually and endlessly reincarnating into an external reality or world already heavily controlled and manipulated in so many ways; by those who maintain and broadcast the dominant "frequencies" which make up the (quantum/ electromagnetic) matrix of our perceived and experienced reality via such operations as the Montauk project. This fits some vast agenda of human spiritual (and physical!) enslavement and corresponding conditions; a longstanding agenda of the secret, cultic "governments" which support, further and foster this ongoing, mass manipulation of the human race through the indoctrinated and/or enforced political, religious and other social systems.

William Bramley's exceptional book The Gods Of Eden, one of the more unusual "UFO" books ever written, covers this very angle in tremendous detail and provides ample documentation that the predominant "control group" which attempts to run the show here on Earth, as manifested in the ruling secret brotherhoods/ societies/governments (i.e. the Bilderbergers, CFR and the like), is inextricably tied to specific ET groups.

As per further information on L. Ron Hubbard, he did a stint in Naval Intelligence where he assimilated a lot of the information the government had amassed resulting from their research and experiments into drug-based mind manipulation and narcosynthesis--this in the 30s! Hubbard took the information and techniques and applied them in a methodology aimed at "empowering" (in pc 90s-speak) and liberating people on very fundamental psychological levels from ingrained, encoded (often deliberately) "engramatic" behavior and states of mind, usually programmed by traumatic means (intentionally or not). Hubbard was not a cult leader, no matter what the government has tried to portray him as, and what I've read of his work seems predominantly quite sane and useful.

Mind Control

Hubbard was vehemently opposed in particular to the ubiquitous Dr. Ewen Cameron, who at different times has been--incredibly enough--the president of the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the World Psychiatric Association. In light of that, and given Ewen Cameron's truly odious, cruel, horrible, and unpardonable activities, any reasonable person would be more than a little suspicious of the motives and agenda of psychiatry in general, as Hubbard most certainly was. Far too often psychiatry is used as a tool of social behavioral control and modification, used to force subjects' minds to conform to certain concepts, beliefs, structures and mores imposed from without; strictures which again nearly always reinforce the wishes and aims of society's prevailing rulers and of the status quo.

Montauk Project author Peter Moon was a Scientology member and in fact occasionally worked directly with Hubbard. Moon seems certain that Hubbard in fact was pretty much on the opposite team, certainly in terms of the known objectives of Phoenix/Montauk, regarding "mind control". Moon believes Hubbard to have been on the whole dedicated to the personal spiritual emancipation of human beings from programming of virtually any kind, and my admittedly skimpy knowledge of Scientology/Dianetics would tend to back that up. I think the movement suffered from a personality cult syndrome, and that Hubbard may in fact have had a bit of a messiah complex running, but I do find some quite worthwhile elements in the Dianetics material.

Hubbard was of course a participant in the so called "Babalon Working", some mystical ceremony enacted along with fellow Aleister Crowley adherents Jack (JPL/Cal-Tech/Father of modern rocketry) Parsons and Marjorie Wilson Cameron. This ceremony has been said to have certain esoteric correspondences with the Philadelphia Experiment, and may have (helped) open some dimensional channel enabling negative ET's easier access to our dimension/reality--a new freeway was put in.
Perhaps to that extent that Hubbard was some kind of influence on the more mystical aspects of Montauk/Phoenix operation, but I don't believe he would have supported the specific goals of the project at all. (Phoenix Undead - The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today: Chapter "SCIENTOLOGY/DIANETICS")
STANFORD, SCIENTOLOGY AND THE CIA

Interestingly, other information about the connection of certain Scientology members to some of the secret government's "unusual" experimental research activities comes from premiere mind control researcher and author Alex Constantine, who has written a wealth of excellent books and articles on the general topic of government administered and operated mind control projects, including those based on electromagnetic/radio frequency transmissions.
I quote below a section called "Psychic Spying at the Stanford Research Institute Or CIA Mind Control?" from Constantine's Virtual Government.

"Concrete evidence that electronic mind control was the true object of study at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) was exposed by the Washington Post in 1977. When the Navy awarded a contract to the Institute, "the scientific assistant to the Secretary of the Navy, Dr. Sam Koslov, received a routine briefing on various research projects, including SRI's. As the briefer flashed his chart onto the screen and began to speak, Koslov stormily interrupted, 'What the hell is that about?' Among the glowing words on the projected chart, the section describing SRI's work was labeled, 'ELF and Mind Control.'"

"'ELF' stands for 'extremely long frequency' electromagnetic waves, from the very slow brain frequencies up to about 100 cycles per second...."
But the 'Mind Control' label really upset Koslov. He ordered the SRI investigations for the Navy stopped, and canceled another $35,000 in Navy funds slated for more remote viewing work. Contrary to Koslov's attempt to kill the research, the Navy quietly continued to fork out $100,000 for a two-year project directed by a bionics specialist. The "remote viewing" team at SRI was really engaged in projecting words and images directly to the cranium. It was not a humanitarian pastime: the project was military and test subjects are subjected to a lifetime of EM torture plied with the same thorough disregard for human rights as the radiation tests conducted at the height of the Cold War. To be sure, the treatment subjects have received at the hands of their own government would be considered atrocities if practiced in wartime.
Mind control was also used in domestic covert operations designed to further the CIA's heady ambitions, and during the Vietnam War period SRI was a hive of covert political subterfuge. The Symbionese Liberation Army, like the People's Temple, was a creation of the CIA. The SLA had at its core a clique of black ex-convicts from Vacaville Prison. Donald DeFreeze, otherwise known as "Cinque", led the SLA. He was formerly an informant for the LAPD's Criminal Conspiracy Section and the director of Vacaville's Black Cultural Association (BCA), a covert mind control unit with funding from the CIA channeled through SRI. The Menlo Park behavior modification specialists experimented with psychoactive drugs administered to members of the BCA. Black prisoners were programmed to murder selected black leaders once on the outside. The CIA/SRI zombie killer hit list included Oakland school superintendent Dr. Marcus Foster, and Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, among others. DeFreeze stated that at Vacaville in 1971-72, he was the subject of a CIA mind control experiment. He described his incarceration on the prison's third floor, where he was corralled by CIA agents who drugged him and said he would become the leader of a radical movement and kidnap a wealthy person. After his escape from Vacaville (an exit door was left unlocked for him), that's exactly what he did.

"EM mind control machines were championed at SRI by Dr. Karl Pribram, director of the Neuropsychology Research Laboratory: "I certainly could educate a child by putting an electrode in the lateral hypothalamus and then selecting the situations at which I stimulate it. In this was I can grossly change his behavior." Psychology Today touted Pribram as "The Magellan of Brain Science." He obtained his B.S. and M.D. degrees at the University of Chicago, and at SRI studied how the brain processes and stores sensory imagery. He is credited with discovering that mental imaging bears a close resemblance to hologram projection (the basis for transmitting images to the brains of test subjects under the misnomer 'remote viewing')."

"The SRI/SAIC psi experiments were supervised at Langley by John McMahon, second in command under William Casey, succeeding Bobby Ray Inman, the SAIC director. McMahon has, according to Philip Agee, the CIA whistle-blowing exile, an affinity for "technological exotics for CIA covert actions." He was recruited by the Agency after his graduation from Holy Cross College. He is a former director of the Technical Services Division, deputy director for Operations, and in 1982 McMahon was appointed deputy director of Central Intelligence. He left the Agency six years later to take the position of president of the Lockheed Missiles and Space Systems Group. In 1994 he moved on the Draper Laboratories. He is a director of the Defense Enterprise Fund and an adviser to congressional committees."

"Many of the SRI "empaths" were mustered from L. Ron Hubbard's Church of Scientology, Harold Puthoff, the Institute's senior researcher, is a leading Scientologist. Two "remote viewers" from SRI have also held rank in the Church: Ingo Swann, a Class VII Operating Thetan, a founder of the Scientology Center in Los Angeles, and the late Pat Price. Puthoff and Targ's lab assistant was a Scientologist married to a minister of the church. When Swann joined SRI, he stated openly that fourteen "Clears" participated in the experiments, 'more than I would suspect.'"
At the time he denied CIA involvement, but now acknowledges, "it was rather common knowledge all along who the sponsor was, although in documents the identity of the Agency was concealed behind the sobriquet of 'an east-coast scientist.' The Agency's interest was quite extensive.

"A number of agents of the CIA came themselves ultimately to SRI to act as subjects in 'remote viewing' experiments, as did some members of Congress." --Alex Constantine Copyright © 1996 (Phoenix Undead - The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today: Chapter "STANFORD, SCIENTOLOGY AND THE CIA")

- ashanti

Yes, I'm familiar with the Freeze Zone material.

I agree. Stewart's claim is VERY interesting and I'm inclined to believe it.

I'm not inclined to believe that Hubbard was a "good guy".

[Elizabeth]

Very interesting discussion, MN and Ashanti. Excellent quotes and links.

In the early 1990's as I was leaving a former cult - the Cult Awareness Network was instrumental in helping me and others do so. They collected data about cults and their coercive techniques, testimonials from family members from many different cults. Scientology with their agressive school of 'shark-lawyers' and unlimited funds ended CAN by "serving" cookie-cutter lawsuits timed 15 minutes apart..."Ding-Dong - YOU ARE BEING SERVED."

This overwhelmed the humble and underfunded project (filled with volunteers) for the well-being of families and loved ones in the clutches of a cult that they were ill-armed to fight - let alone understand. It was clear that there was unlimited money and power at their disposal and THEY WERE RUTHLESS! The CAN was bankrupted almost immediately.

At auction...the sharks bought their files filled with 1,000's of irreplaceable first-hand testimonials as well as the name, CULT AWARENESS NETWORK. Now, people in distress - who didn't receive the memo - would babble their tales of woe into the CAN hotline and hear the voice of a scientologist murmuring..."Tell me all about it...what did you say your name was?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network

[Jacaranda]

If I remember correctly Stewart said the NWO has Scientology in it's foundation.

How reliable can that be? Stewart says a lot of things, after all... At this point, whenever Stewart says something its almost a guarantee to be bullshit in its purest form.

Plus, Scientology is nowhere near as large outside the US, as it is inside the US, main reason being that most countries limit cults and sects in what they can do or not do, something which somehow does not happen in the US. If Scientology were a foundation of the NWO, then surely Scientology would by now have the same social weight all over the world, wouldn't it? From what I can tell, and this is just my own judgement, Scientology in Europe seems to have a similar weight as Fia Lux or Jehovah Witnesses.