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Thank you GWSOL! Yes, I had a very lively but grounded back n forth with MHorn. I never even knew who he was until yesterday. But I have checked out some of the Meier case few yrs ago. I've just never gotten much into UFOs and abduction stories because it's all subjective and the "mind is a terrible thing"...lol hope you appreciate the chuckle. ie: I've seen UFOs myself and have had what could be designated as abductions, but I'm not even impressed with my OWN experiences if you catch my drift. It's still unexplainable...
I pretty much agree with Matthew Delooze... some of us are harder nuts to crack. I say that (as his words) because it came clear to him that he had been "downloaded" all those memories and they were NOT in fact, real memories... how's that for a shocker. It was a stunning thoughtform when I first heard it from him few years ago.
I don't doubt there is technology out there to do that...insert dreams and false memories... so best we watch our thoughts because some may not be our own.
Matt also wrote me back n forth yesterday, day before and he is doing well... answered an email from back in June. Said he'll be back in a couple months with more "stuff" to share.
cheers!
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Golden Winged SnakeOiLion Wrote:Honestly, after what I've seen, I prefer the supposed NWO that you claim is here to any world order that people like you and AC promote. I don't promote anything. You are reading into that. If it were after my highest ideals, we'd live in a very different world.
Don't put words into my mouth just because I agree with some aspects of what AC says.
Quote:Because then I would have to deal with failures like you an deal with their incompetency regarding logic, science, business, health, spirituality and education.
Unbelievable. What arrogance. Thank you for calling me a 'failure' - snotty - is what comes to mind here. Who are you to call anybody a 'failure'? On what premises? On the context of an extremely limited 'forum'.
What an idiotic 'summing up' of somebody. It betrays in your inability and 'willingness' that you have no clue and just like to stick to your 'head-in-the-sand' mentality of "better this NWO" than the one you 'promote'.
Only a complete fool and ignoramus would come out with such an blatantly oblivious-as-to-what-is-really-happening self-betraying remark. Simply choosing to ignore the facts will not them make them go away.
Your ego has been scratched all right. Why else would you go to these lengths to get at me?
You have absolutely no idea who I am. You have no entitlements to 'judge' where I have been and what I have achieved for myself. Of course, for somebody who thinks the world of himself, but was sucked into the Swerdlows cult in much more depth than I ever was, they need a perfect 'logical' explanation to raise their own mediocre abilities to 'see' what the Swerdlows were playing at and took a lot longer and much more loss of money than I ever did... I never lost as much money with these scamsters than you or a few others posting here... Talk about having to make up for lost 'self-respect' and self-esteem...not to mention waste of money.
Your painting with a broad brush, dude. And you're pretty much off the mark.
Quote:I would no longer be allowed to think for myself, utter doubt, be skeptical - or else. At least here I can decide if I get bothered by or get a couple of LOLs out of your insults, your pathetic racism, your underwhelming analytical capacity, education, cultural knowledge or social competency that you show in all of your posts here in a process of spectacular self-demontage.
Wow... I really must've gotten to ya for you to be so mean... Well, as they say, I stirred your honey pot. And I triggered you (yes, I can see you laughing at the suggestion). Thank God not everybody thinks like you do. Otherwise I'd be forever cast in a hell of your limited worldview. If I were as ignorant, dumb, incompetent, stupid, unable to think logically, I would not be able to write in English, capice?
As it is for you, English is not my mother tongue. I wouldn't be able to understand anything you or anybody else here is saying (come to think of it, that would maybe not be such a bad thing given the level and morosity of the debate here).
Quote: And in case I am bothered with this I can just stop talking with you.
Yes, in the way you are, you may as well. Your arrogance is staggering. What's your IQ BTW?
Quote:The example you show and thereby promote is a world order I do not want to live in. Thanks. I prefer to live in the one I live in now.
Stupidity comes in all shapes, forms and remarks. Does it not? Unbelievable. You don't know half of what's really going because you are content with your limited perspective as to what you think you know.
Ignorance is indeed bliss.
AC is not my guru and I don't "promote" any 'order' other than the highest spiritual ideal which is that we have to find each our own way to that which is eternal, beyond the physical, the 'belief' that with dying that will be the end of the Soul's journey, that this physical body is all there is. That this little planet and this 'solar system' is the only thing there is and ever will be. That no-one has ever been in touch with higher forces - and if they have been - they are suspicious, distorted, crazy, mentally 'out-of- your-box' (personal pronoun on purpose here) - the spiritual, metaphysical realm is to be eyed with extreme caution...lest genuine deep conditioning of a Catholic background (as steeped into the Italian culture as it is) should be on shaky grounds...
Our heritage is not gorillas, chimpanzees (mind you, with some people posting here, I am beginning to wonder...and no, I am not referring to you in case you're wondering), or 'apes' - period.
To arrive on conclusions based on pure belief without the experience 'backing up' or actually changing one's "beliefs" and turning them into real, unmistakable lived knowledge, is not the same as 'promoting' hear say or guess work or solely intellectually based 'logical analysis' down to the minutest nuclear splitting of an atom. For those that are indeed still able to think for themselves - unlike you are accusing me of I am intent on imposing on others - they will know that neither you nor I are completely 'right'. The difference is that I am able to acknowledge that.
In the end, I know that I don't know anything 100%. It keeps changing, adapting and is being altered as I go along.
This is all probably lost on you because you've already made up your mind that I'm a waste of space on this planet and and that the world would be better off without people like me. I got that very clearly from you.
This was solely for those that are still open and receptive to what I have to say - as illogical, dumb, underwhelming analytically' and incompetent of a failure that you perceive me to be.
You'll probably get a couple of demonic and nasty LOLs out of my reply. I can already see you 'quipping': "It's your own damn fault, stupid b*tch! You were asking for it!" And Eurydice, Sifter and Yukesam can join you in that round.
Well good for you. I'm glad I made your day. At least you have shown your real colours.
Now you have nice weekend. You can bask in your self-satisfied glory that you've truly managed to hurt me.
And I mean that.
Well done.
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The most important lesson in my dealings with Stewart and Janet Swerdlow, aka The Expansions Cult, was that no one should claim authority over your own beliefs or simply in your judgement over what is right or wrong. This is also why I have absolutely no interest whatsoever to even look at what Alex Collier or others have to say, but I'd rather find out for myself. It is also far easier to do.
There are two aspects here. First, there is the charismatic speaker who discusses themes which are very hard, if not impossible, to verify. An example is that Stewart is essentially the only one discussing Kuiper's Belt Aliens. What if the whole story was made up? How would we know for sure? We live in a world that is based on positivist principles, and where the metaphysical is being ignored as humbug. Yet the positivist approach has its limitations, which are becoming more and more obvious. So we are left with a choice, either to ignore the message (which most people would chose), or to believe in the speaker's message, independent of whether anything he or she says can actually be verified. I remember in the beginnig of my experience with the Swerdlows I had asked Stewart this question and he told me that most of what he was saying publically could not be verified, as this was "off-world" information. Not only did he say stuff no one can verify, but also mystifies himself in the process. So it was a matter of believing him or not. However, in believing someone without any other reference point but the desire to want to believe in something that fits our belief system, we accept the speaker to become a cult leader.
The second aspect is for the speaker to create a cult in the first place. I have found that by researching for myself, several things that Stewart says could in fact be verified, mostly small things, or existed in other sources published before him. The speaker then creates the cult by making his message not a verifiable fact, but a spiritual message that simply has to be believed or not. The mystification of the speaker himself, elevates this sensation even further. This is a common theme with cult leaders / sect gurus, they all make themselves appear better than the average human being (yet when you look at the Swerdlow's private life, you can quickly demystify them...). In case of Expansions, there is very clear evidence of their intention to deceive people into following them.
As with any form of communication, you need at least two people to communicate, in this case the public speaker and the listener. Both the listener and the speaker then create the cult per se. This can then be exploited at will by the speaker, or cult leader / guru, and very easily so, at the expense of the listener / or follower, who abandons increasing levels of his or her own discernement to the speaker. Eventually, and after the former cult follower "wakes up", he or she feels abused by the speaker.
Note that, due to lack of evidence in their message, cults make very heavy use of associaction fallacies. "My dog has four legs, my cat has four legs. Therefore my cat is my dog". Association fallacies are the next best thing when you cannot find evidence. And Stewart in particular makes intense use of it. So intensely in fact, that neither Swerdlow is able to discern what is true and what is not.
The most important thing then, for those here who have left the Expansions Cult, but also for those still part of their cult (or other cults) is that no one is able to live your life on your behalf. No one is able to tell you what to do and how.
It is important to listen to what others have to say, but even more important to discern and judge carefully what is right or wrong. Form your own opinion, but don't impose yours on others. We live in a world which is flooded with information, most of which is misinformation. Just look at the expansions.com website to get a prime example of misinformation. And it is certainly not always easy to discern the truth, or know what to do. Hence we are today very vulnerable to people like the Swerdlows or other cult leaders.
Therefore the most important lesson here, by far, is to realize that we are infinite possibility. We can create anything and and life that we want to live. So following people like the Swerdlows or other gurus out there is a waste of time, money, and very often also an attack on our dignity. We can also get the answers to any questions we might ask.
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